Trans No Workie

[khryslerkid]

When you pulled the torque converter forward - about how far did it move - 1/8 inch of so? Less than 1/4 inch? I'm with Old Bee - almost sounds like the pump isn't turning or it has one heck of an internal leak if the oil level has never moved.

It was less than a 1/4" for sure. I know it was engaged ok.

 

[khryslerkid]

There's a plan. Sorry can't help anymore. I knew there was a reason I hated those trunnion setups! It does sound like everything was right w/converter, but it could be screwed up internally. Do those cast iron's have pressure ports to check pressure for frt&rear pumps? Yeah I know, something else to buy!

Not a cast iron.

 

[khryslerkid]

If the convertor's bad pushing car won't help. A pressure test would tell you if pumps work. Sure sounds like trans is coming out of car.

I just pushed it outside the garage for safty reasons. I'm not taking it out of the car. The builder will if I find something serious. I'm not buying guages. Think simple first, I always say.

 

[threewood]

Not a cast iron.

Correct. 62 was the first year for aluminum case torqueflite 8 but it still has test ports.
As long as you are popping the pan off, check to see if the bands are adjusted correctly as well.

 

[Ron H]

Odd as I put a newer type filter in my 63 when redoing the vb and dropped the external filter. Haven't had any issues. Recently shop put in slightly higher stall tc when motor was redone. Not sure I like it but some complaints with shift points now. If fluid ain't moving it ain't pumping so yeah as posted pressure check should be done AND agree the shop that did the rebuild should get this fixed for ya no extra charge!

 

[Ron H]

If you start messing too much with it shop could start making accusations you screwed something up...my 2 pennies.

 

[khryslerkid]

If you start messing too much with it shop could start making accusations you screwed something up...my 2 pennies.

If it's the right filter it's going back to them. This guy has been around awhile and does good work at a reasonable price and knows the old mopars! He would stand behind his work and be glad to make it right. People make mistakes.

Do you want any change back?

 

[Yatzee]

1962 Dodge Original Push Button Torqueflight

Spent the last couple of weeks getting this car off the jack stands, pushed it outside today, hoping to try out the trans and running gear and nothing!

Here I am trying "drive" to "reverse" to "neutral" back to "drive" ect. Nothing, not even a grunt!


Here's the history:

1.)Had the trans rebuilt by a reputable shop.

2.)The shop had a torque converter company who knew how to tweak a 19 spline TC for a little higher stall so that's what I got.

3.)TC was installed correctly, even had a bracket on it to keep it from backing out. When bolting to the flex plate, it spun freely and had to pull it toward the flex plate.
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4.)During the 20 min. engine break-in, added 7 quarts of fluid. Fluid level was 3 to 4 inches up on the dip stick and this has never changed. Even checked it today and it's still up on the stick. I did the engine break-in in "Neutral" without it being in "Park". Also the car didn't have the driveshaft installed.

5.)During the engine break-in I did notice the speedometer running up to 20 mph several times? Not constant.
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6.)Shift Cable was installed correctly and checked the detent engagement for the safety switch. Seems to work perfectly.

7.)Set the trans linkage to carburator per the FSM.
"Wide open throttle, trans leaver all the way back."

8.) Forgot to add, I had them upgrade to the newer pan with newer style filter. (Hope he installed that right)

I don't know if there is something stuck, not allowing the fluid to go through the TC or what. I've been concerned about the high dipstick level and figured after installing the driveshaft and having a load on it, it would circulate and the level would come down, probably having to add more.

Let the "Spit Balling" commence!

Just out of curiosity, did you put a couple quarts of fluid in the torque convertor before installing it on the tranny? It won't turn the pump unless there's something in it initially.

 

[khryslerkid]

Just out of curiosity, did you put a couple quarts of fluid in the torque convertor before installing it on the tranny? It won't turn the pump unless there's something in it initially.

Thats something I've always done. When I asked the guy who built the trans he said not to add any to the TC so I didnt.

 

[Ron H]

Finding guys that know pb tranny's is becoming more rare and cable shifts are unique in some respects as posted so it's not a matter of someone who knows tf' s it's pb TF's. You say this guys knows his stuff great...gimmie a penny back. Lol

 

[Ron H]

Wow like to hear the end of this story kid.

 

[khryslerkid]

Wow like to hear the end of this story kid.

Me too! Only problem is I got the whole weekend planned out for me all of a sudden. Maybe I'll fit it in sometime tomorrow.

 

[oldbee]

Well at least---these don't come back out!

 

[khryslerkid]

Well at least---these don't come back out!

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That pic gets around

 

[493 Mike]

So how many quarts do you have in? TFs need around 10.
Mike

 

[mopar 3 B]

No flow threw the filter or a valve did not get put back in the valve body correctly. Some thing i have done myself and took some time in the library to remedy. Load it on the trailer and take it to him. I really doubt he takes the trans out.
Yep the library had all kinds of auto repair manuals before the internet.

 

[Fran Blacker]

Well at least---these don't come back out!

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Bee there is NO way in hell I'd get under a car with those JS's.

 

[khryslerkid]

So how many quarts do you have in? TFs need around 10.
Mike

I only put 7 quarts in for start up. And like I stated, the above full level hasn't changed. I'm thinking he accidently put a one hole filter on it instead of a two hole. (Fingers crossed)

Here's a link about the conversion from the early in-line filter.

https://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmissions/torqueflite-filters.html

 

[oldbee]

Bee there is NO way in hell I'd get under a car with those JS's.

Kinda off- topic but these don't bother me, they've held multiple times; I remember duck-walking under railroad type with 2"(?) air lines feeding them to hold up semi-trailers. Mine are well used/tested. Thanks for the thoughts though, usually it's a pair with 2ton hyd jack at any one end.

 

[miller]

Is that 'improved' pan deeper, than stock?
First things that come to mind, are pretty simple. Yeah, wrong filter. If the pan is deeper, filter extender must be used! Both extender, and filter, needs to be right ones.
Your converter is working, or not, kinda besides the point. The converter shaft is what turns the pump. You say it did engage the dogs?
Assume your checking fluid level, running and warmed up? Just sitting, level would be well over full...wonder if you have enough in it? No fluid in TC...bad boy! Don't care what anyone says. Needs to be primed!

But, no knowing the simple stuff, like the filter/pickup...guess you should get with the trans builder. If the fluid isn't getting to the pickup, naw, won't pick up!

Going for popcorn...