Vacuum Advance Canister Question

[Geetex]

In researching distributor stuff I've run into a snag, I'm not sure which vacuum advance canister is correct for my car. The car is a 1970 GTX 440 4bbl, automatic, it is not a CAP car (clean air package), the build sheet is not showing it as an N95 car. The only advance unit I'm seeing listed is an electronic one #3514330. Years ago I looked over a survivor car and I have some pictures and I don't recall that car having an electronic advance unit on it and it doesn't appear that it does from the pictures but the pictures don't show that real well. I don't recall mine having an electronic advance unit on it when I pulled the distributor about 35 years ago, but that is a long time to remember something like that. I thought there were two different canisters, one with electronics and one without, does anyone have any info that could help shed some light on this for me? @HALIFAXHOPS what's the real story here?
Thanks for any input.

 

[HALIFAXHOPS]

Might be, a lot of guys pulled them. Give me what you think is the right distrib number, also does the car have what looks like a stop solenoid on it?

 

[F4R/T]

Hey guys if I’m not mistaken CAP cars and all 440 4V cars with auto trans did come equipped with a solenoid retard can on the dist to help curb Nox emissions . There would also be a solenoid on the carb and some wiring to the carb with a ground lug on the idle screw of the carb. I’d have to look up the numbers but in 71 all got it , 70 six pack did not, nor did the 4 speed cars ... correct me if I’m wrong but just went thru this for my RT.

 

[HALIFAXHOPS]

They were on a lot of 69-71 HP cars. Definitely on my friends 440-6 charger, Big money to replace that one, one year only with a weird arm on a dual point. Some trucks had them also. One of Mopar's worst systems if you ask me since I deal with them on rebuilds.

 

[HALIFAXHOPS]

Here is what I have

3438219 350HP and 3438222 have ch 798 . Check your FSM to be sure. Can also be a dual point. All I have are 3513303 vac advances which will work but not the right number if doing a points car.

 

[Geetex]

Might be, a lot of guys pulled them. Give me what you think is the right distrib number, also does the car have what looks like a stop solenoid on it?

Sorry about the delayed response, I made this post and went to work, I just got home. Anyway, the distributor number that I believe is correct is 3438222. Stop solenoid? Do you mean the anti dieseling solenoid? The original carb was replaced back in the early '80's, one of the mounting feet was cracked on it when I bought the car, so replacing the carb was one of the first things that I did, oh those many years ago. I honestly can't remember if the original did or did not have the solenoid on it.

 

[Geetex]

Hey guys if I’m not mistaken CAP cars and all 440 4V cars with auto trans did come equipped with a solenoid retard can on the dist to help curb Nox emissions . There would also be a solenoid on the carb and some wiring to the carb with a ground lug on the idle screw of the carb. I’d have to look up the numbers but in 71 all got it , 70 six pack did not, nor did the 4 speed cars ... correct me if I’m wrong but just went thru this for my RT.

I thought they were only on CAP cars, but as I'm checking into this what I'm finding is the same as what you're saying.

 

[Geetex]

Here is what I have

3438219 350HP and 3438222 have ch 798 . Check your FSM to be sure. Can also be a dual point. All I have are 3513303 vac advances which will work but not the right number if doing a points car.

ch 798? It's definitely a single point car not dual point. I think that's where my original distributor went, I believe I swapped it into my, then girlfriends, '69 440 4 speed GTX and took the dual point out, once again that was back in the early to mid '80's.
If the distributor is supposed to have the electronics on the advance canister then I believe the part number is 3514330, if it's not supposed to have the electronics on it then I don't know what the part number is. Of course I'm doing a judged points car, it's the story of my life, if there's a road that leads to making my life easier, I always take the other one. The resto didn't start out as a show car and the show that it's supposed to be in will probably be the only major show that it will be in, but, if it's going to be in the show I want it to represent well. Does any of this info help figure this out?

 

[HALIFAXHOPS]

Both those distributors should have them, unfortunately. You have a FSM and a parts manual? The ch 798 is a vacuum advance number, unfortunately I have nothing to cross reference it with.

 

[Geetex]

Both those distributors should have them, unfortunately. You have a FSM and a parts manual? The ch 798 is a vacuum advance number, unfortunately I have nothing to cross reference it with.

Parts manual yes, FSM was lent out a while ago and not returned, as in gone forever until I get a new one, so no on the FSM at this moment. If I'm looking at things correctly it should be 3514330, if that's the correct part number then the CH 798 number should be stamped on it somewhere correct? I'm thinking stamped on the arm?

 

[HALIFAXHOPS]

No different number on the arm usually amount of distributor advance. and the e style don't have them they are a round rod. CH numbers are kind of a quick references, not sure how they cam about, Wish I had a crossover book. Sometimes the parts catalogs have the CH-XX and the seven digit number, no idea why not. Have the distributor number? Just curious which one it is.

 

[Geetex]

The distributor number is 3438222.

 

[HALIFAXHOPS]

Let me see what I can find out for you number wise. I do know that one has them unfortunately.

 

[HALIFAXHOPS]

OK on page 8-28 of the FSM with 222 distributor it states 3514331 is the proper vacuum advance. My Mopar has the FSM available on line.

 

[HALIFAXHOPS]

 

[HALIFAXHOPS]

Here is the solenoid list if going there.

19691/2-1971 Mopar Applications

Stamping# DR1114421
Part# 3514520 Early (Carter AVS)
Part# 3549318 Late (Carter AVS)
1970 440
Carburetor: 4737S, 4739S, 4741S, 4740S
Hex head with cap, no integral bracket

Stamping# DR1114442
Part# 3514892 (Carter AVS)
1970 340
Carburetor: 4936S, 4937S
Round head, no integral bracket

Stamping# DR1114442 or DR1114447 (Evidence of either number being factory original)
Part# 3438303 (Carter AVS)
1970 440 4738S
1971 440 4968S
Hex head with cap, no integral bracket

Stamping# DR1114441
Part# 3438777 (Holley)
1971 383 4667A, 4734A, 4668A, 4735A, 6191A, 6193A
Hex head with cap, no integral bracket, but includes wiring harness

Stamping# DR1114429
Part# 2875975 (and Part# 3438333) (Holley, Carter AFB, Carter Thermoquad)
1970 440+6 4375A, 4734A, 4376A, 4144A
1970 340+6 4791A, 4792A
1970 426 4745S, 4746S
1971 426 4969S, 4970S
1971 340 4972S, 4973S
Round head with integral bracket

Stamping# DR1114443
Part# 3438338 (Holley)
1971 440+6 4669A, 4670A
Hex head with cap

Stamping# DR1114420
Part# 3412059 (Holley)
19691/2 440+6
Hex head with cap

 

[Geetex]

OK on page 8-28 of the FSN with 222 distributor it states 3514331 is the proper vacuum advance. My Mopar has the FSM available on line.

My parts book is showing distributor 3438222 takes advance canister 3514330. Distributor 3438231 takes canister 3514331. Does that sound about right to you?

 

[HALIFAXHOPS]

What book? Mine was out of the FSM

 

[Geetex]

Mine is out of the Chrysler loose leaf parts catalog, January 1972 printing, covering 1970 - 1971 passenger car applications. Book 81-690-1000 which supersedes 81-690-0955. I'm leaning toward believing yours because you've probably built at least a few of these distributor, vacuum canister combos using your FSM and if it wasn't right someone would probably have said something to you about it. Anyway, that's the parts catalog that I got the info out of.

 

[HALIFAXHOPS]

I just looked that up on My Mopar. they have all the parts manuals on there. I am just going by that and some Mopar ignition books. Usually the books are right so far. I would make sure first not cheap parts.

http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=31