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Who has converted from 727 to a manual transmission and regretted it ?

It wasn't that long ago manuals were far more sought. Thus worth the cost of conversion. They're still more desirable. But the gap has narrowed.
I wonder if this has something to do with the average age of the main market for these cars? As the guys get older they look at manual gearboxes as too hard work, or as has been said, they simply can't drive them due to hip or knee issues, thus the auto becomes more desirable?
All I know is that I still hanker after a 4spd and if it wasn't going to cost me $10-$15k Australian dollars I would probably do the conversion, but I'm not worried about driving a "girly" auto as it's still satisfying.
 
I prefere manuals is both my daily driver and ALL my play cars. But, ONLY want an auto in my work truck, hate working a manual in heavy hauls...
 
I converted my '69 Sport Satellite from a 727 to a TKO-600 with the kit from SST about 4 years ago now. No regrets whatsoever, it's so much more enjoyable to drive now. With the hydraulic clutch it's just as easy to work the pedal as any other modern manual I've driven and sooooo much more fun now.
 
I hear from older gents that mention achy knees or back. I wonder what sort of life they led that may have contributed to the condition.
I've known old timer Carpenters that were a wreck by the time they retire. Somehow, that fate escaped me because I have the 30 years to quit (To get my pension) I could stop working now. I still feel great. I should lose 20-25 lbs to be in better shape but I take no medications, have no conditions other than the occasional back strain from lifting transmissions by myself !
Me and you, same job. When I hit sixty, I knew it. The fall from grace felt like it happened in one sweeping step one day. My knees hurt some days like a bitch. My doctor told me years ago, knees were made to walk with, not to be knelt on, WTF. I'm now 64, next month anyway, and I more than feel it on certain days. Save your money for the big move. By the way, this last move beat me up and I really hate to admit it. It's not only physical, getting old plays with your head, mentally. I've been working on my house off and on for the last 7 months and wish it was done. I now officially hate working on houses and can well afford to pay someone, but no, I had to prove a point. Remember this conversation, I will, you can run, but you can't hide from getting old. As my father use to say, make your words soft and sweet, because you may have to eat them one day and in this case you will, time waits for no one. Get you *** moved and settled in....... Oh, the original question about manual or automatic, I learned to drive with a stick, got my licence with a stick, got my first automatic when I was about 20, for a few years. Wife and I both drove sticks till 1991. Unless the car was a 4 speed car to begin with, it's fun, but screw that. As always, just my opinion.
 
There's nothing like the feel of a four speed behind a healthy big block. That being said, right now it sucks! It's pretty much impossible to drive a manual steering, manual trans big block car after shoulder surgery. But that's just a temporary set back. No need to change to an automatic. I may reconsider in a few more years!
If you decide to make the switch, rear end ratio may become an unforeseen expense. I'm running 3:55's with 30" tall tires and trying to idle down the road in first gear is killer. Every time the cam hits it's like hanging onto a bucking bull. I need a 3:91 or even 4:10's
 
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My 07 Cummins Ram has 203k on 6 speed manual. You know none of the big three make a full size truck with a manual transmission anymore?

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Yep, they all have over 1k torque now. A manual would need to be the kind You find in a semi basically to handle the torque and the automatic is super efficient and keeps the truck at the proper rpm for what it's doing. Some people may not like technology, but its here n it is pretty damn good.
 
Yep, they all have over 1k torque now. A manual would need to be the kind You find in a semi basically to handle the torque and the automatic is super efficient and keeps the truck at the proper rpm for what it's doing. Some people may not like technology, but its here n it is pretty damn good.
Some of the big boys do have over 1K of ft/lbs of torque. But certainly not all. In fact most don't. Power increase is just to increase sales. My 6.7 '07 Cummins is about 600 ft/lbs. More power is nice. But its not what is needed to increase work reliability. My race trailer weighs 10k lbs empty. Fully loaded 16k. (14k axle(s) limit plus 2k gooseneck tongue weight.) This brings total weight of loaded truck and trailer pushing 24k lbs. Which is the limit of the truck/trailer and class C license. Weigh station weight is typically 22.7k lbs.

Of the 203k miles on truck. 10% is under these towing conditions. Including 2 trips and back to Vegas over the Denver mountain pass. I have replaced one clutch.

I am not confident that an automatic could hold up under those loads for that long? Even an Allison. I could be wrong. But out there battling with the big semi's who also can only do 30 MPH on a 9 degree mountain incline fully loaded? Most of them are manuals. I can hear them grinding away to get optimal gear for a hike up the hill.
 
I wonder if this has something to do with the average age of the main market for these cars? As the guys get older they look at manual gearboxes as too hard work, or as has been said, they simply can't drive them due to hip or knee issues, thus the auto becomes more desirable?
All I know is that I still hanker after a 4spd and if it wasn't going to cost me $10-$15k Australian dollars I would probably do the conversion, but I'm not worried about driving a "girly" auto as it's still satisfying.
Plus the manual transmission is an anti theft device! I love the news stories about young thugs trying to steal a car and they don't know how to drive a stick! Lol!
 
Plus the manual transmission is an anti theft device! I love the news stories about young thugs trying to steal a car and they don't know how to drive a stick! Lol!
That is true. I believe Haggerty insurance will be reflecting that on classic car insurance cost.
 
There's nothing like the feel of a four speed behind a healthy big block.
If you decide to make the switch, rear end ratio may become an unforeseen expense. I'm running 3:55's with 30" tall tires and trying to idle down the road in first gear is killer. Every time the cam hits it's like hanging onto a bucking bull. I need a 3:91 or even 4:10's

This car has power steering, power brakes and is actually well sorted out. The switch to a 5 speed manual is purely for the driving experience. I don't care if it is faster in a 1/4 mile. If it feels faster and is more fun, I would be happy enough with that.
January 2019 I got a quote from Silver Sport for a complete kit including the hydraulic throwout bearing setup and Pistol Grip shifter. The total was approx $6500. It would take the rest of my life for that to pay off in terms of fuel savings....the entire appeal of this is for a better driving experience.
 
Silver Sport is taking orders for the new Tremec TKX.

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Thanks. I have read about that.
 
I just love the manual transmission behind a stroked motor. Have that setup in all 3 of my cars (last one was an auto that I converted). I'm about the same age as you and as of now the knees are still holding up, although I have spent my career kneeing on cement. My wife and all 5 of our kids, even the 2 girls learned how to drive in manual cars, so all is good here.
 
Kern dog if you feel you can handle the clutch ... go for it ! As long as the knees and back are sturdy have fun.. I’ll admit there is something different about a stick, the direct mechanical link ? Being in more control? If you want it, get it, just buy quality USA parts to make it all work..Keep us posted!
I hate my autocorrect!
 
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At our age that $6500 is a whole lot more funner in a toy we like than just being digits in a bank account....we only pass this way once.....cash is replaceable ....go for it.
 
I’ll admit there is something different about a stick, the direct mechanical link ? Being in more control?
Precisely.
Y'all know my story - I've been hacked on more times than a Thanksgiving turkey at this point,
missing a few parts and supposedly operating under all manner of doc's orders not to do this or that....
screw all that noise.
Hey, the "survived cancer" total is up to 6 now! Whoopty-do...
Clutch knee is the one they've been after me to replace for decades now. Nope to that, too.
Give me a big block, a 4 speed, a stupid 3-finger clutch and manual steering and brakes.

I want to FEEL the damn car, be in direct control of what it's doing, no power or computer assists.
Climb out of it afterwards feeling like I've been to the gym, that sort of thing.
I EARNED all this; it's been my arse and hard-earned money that put the thing together.

If I want a car that basically drives itself, we have modern vehicles for that and yeah, sometimes
they're nice to just zone out in - but that's not the purpose of these old beasts we all love.
To me, if you're gonna dance with an old Mopar, get in there with both feet (and a stick) - and
don't let ANYBODY tell you that you can't or shouldn't or whatever.
Fluck 'em.:thumbsup:
 
This car has power steering, power brakes and is actually well sorted out. The switch to a 5 speed manual is purely for the driving experience. I don't care if it is faster in a 1/4 mile. If it feels faster and is more fun, I would be happy enough with that.
January 2019 I got a quote from Silver Sport for a complete kit including the hydraulic throwout bearing setup and Pistol Grip shifter. The total was approx $6500. It would take the rest of my life for that to pay off in terms of fuel savings....the entire appeal of this is for a better driving experience.
Yep, $6500 is a lot of money. But it's cheap for adrenalin!
I'm changing the way I look at things nowadays. Have a little fun or leave it on the table?
 
Go for the manual transmission. To me, it's almost like a man being born without a penis (car with an automatic) and being given a chance to have a penis (car with a manual). The choice, for men, is obvious...
Is your wheeener a 4 or 5 speed?
 
I’m currently converting my ‘70 Coronet from auto to four speed. Because of my location it’s very expensive; I’ll be right at CAN$10k just for parts, so around $7,500 in U.S. greenbacks.
My reasoning is this, and forgive me if I ramble:
As someone mentioned, there’s nothing like a standard with a high torque engine; especially second gear from a slow roll.
The pistol grip shifter is a work of art. And that’s why wife and I are building this car in the first place. It is an artistic statement. Every component is selected by us to represent our vision of a muscle car. Every colour, option etc. In our case we went with B5 blue paint, white top, white bucket interior, white C stripe. Done 440, pistol grip four speed, magnum or road wheels. Other then the colour and top none of these items are on the fender tag. We don’t care.
We could have bought a built one for half of what we’ll have in this, but there’s a few things to consider. We live in the freakin’ arctic. There are no built ones here to buy. We are not interested in any other combination of features, so to buy a red or green one and paint it brings the price up to where we’ll be.
A hassle to convert? Oh yeah! Expensive? Sure. But we’re at that late stage of life where we can afford to do it. Money we have, time we don’t. If we could go to the local Dodge dealer and buy a new one we would, with these exact options only. We can’t, so we’ll build one. Fender tag douchebags will sneer. We don’t care. It’s a nice car, our car.
So forgive me for being long winded. You’ve seen me be long winded before Kern. I guess what I’m trying to say is this: if you’d be happy with a standard, do it. Be happy.
I love your red Charger, by the way.
I have a complete 4 speed setup from my 71 Cuda. I had it rebuilt, new hydraulic clutch and ran it for one season. I'd be willing to sell it to you but you'd have to come get it.
 
No regrets, not going back... Love 2 extra gears, fuel economy and the fun factor. Some people don't like farting with the clutch, myself I like the added interaction with the car.
 
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