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I have a few questions and would like some help.
I tried over on another site but all i got was stupid *** replys.
If you know please reply.
 
what is it you want to know ??,
I ran a few in my day, spray bars plumbed in the manifold, foggers/port nozzles & down nozzles
& under carb plate kits a combination of all 3-4 too, on carbureted engines & Gas or Methanol FI too
some are kind of outdated now,
but I still know most of the basics,
the rest is programmers & ignition or fuel needs
 

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what is it you want to know ??,
I ran a few in my day, spray bars plumbed in the manifold, foggers/port nozzles & down nozzles
& under carb plate kits a combination of all 3-4 too, on carbureted engines & Gas or Methanol FI too
some are kind of outdated now,
but I still know most of the basics,
the rest is programmers & ignition or fuel needs


OK What's a safe NOS jet to start with and I do not know about regulators and timing and fuel pressure.
I'm pretty sur my converter will be ok since I have 5.08% slippage now.
I'm running a digital 7 MSD box and want to have it go on with RPM.
I want to run a fogger setup with the bungs I have welded in my intake now.
Also purging the system
I'm new to this but it seems if I want to play in this 8.5 index game and heads up small tire racing, only way I'm going to be competitive is spraying.
 
Chris call Tony i'm sure he would help you, Running the spray is a full time job you need multiple bottle i brought 10 bottles for a weekend or you need a transfer station you need a starting point so you need the system flowed, fuel pressue, bottle pressue timing HP levels and so on i shot my car for years and i been 8.30 at 160 with a 540 b1 with two foggers i got tried of all the work and you will hurt it, thats why i went the route i went if i can help you i will. Your car is awsome and are in the middle of the pack, beleive me your driving skills will win races i was not the fastest car when i won 2013 championship i was running 5.30's all day but i was consistent on the lights......
 
why don't you talk to tony about nitrous ?
and really you would be better off sending it to have someone install it and flow it .
then they can give you the nitrous and fuel jets to use and how much timing to pull.
purging you just need a purge sol. kit.
and I'm not sure how much comp. you engine has but the more you have the tune has to be spot on.

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why don't you talk to tony about nitrous ?
and really you would be better off sending it to have someone install it and flow it .
then they can give you the nitrous and fuel jets to use and how much timing to pull.
purging you just need a purge sol. kit.
and I'm not sure how much comp. you engine has but the more you have the tune has to be spot on.

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treed by clinton


15.8 compression
I was almost positive tony would have replied and he didn't and I pm'd bigtime and no reply from him either.

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Chris call Tony i'm sure he would help you, Running the spray is a full time job you need multiple bottle i brought 10 bottles for a weekend or you need a transfer station you need a starting point so you need the system flowed, fuel pressue, bottle pressue timing HP levels and so on i shot my car for years and i been 8.30 at 160 with a 540 b1 with two foggers i got tried of all the work and you will hurt it, thats why i went the route i went if i can help you i will. Your car is awsome and are in the middle of the pack, beleive me your driving skills will win races i was not the fastest car when i won 2013 championship i was running 5.30's all day but i was consistent on the lights......


Clinton, if there's anyone I trust it would be you. only reason I have to spray is the car is too freakin heavy. I can't cut it up and the only way I can be competitive in 8.5 or small tire is getting a solid .2
We'll have to figure out what I need and put a conservative jet in it. thanks
 
that is a lot of comp.
think the sweet spot if you will is about 13.5 to 1
might need someone like tony that knows a hell of a lot more then I do about nitrous.
 
It's been so long saying the exact size of jetting, I'd just be guessing...

They are adjustable on each port too, both fuel & N20, different companies have differ orifices & specs,
IMO you would really need to get a good baseline from a N20 company,
on there specific nozzles & jetting, but then go a little fatter on the fuel side jetting just to be safe,
then fine tune it after reading the plugs, or exhaust gas temps/ O2 sensors...
Too fat is better than too lean, but can cause some issues too with wet spots & burning...
Fouled plugs & a bad run is far better than a leaned out burnt piston...
If done correctly it is relatively safe, I know all the bad stories Blah Blah Blah,
most are from people that were clueless &/or on the ragged edge too...

You'll need to set aside a whole test & tune day, at the track or pay for dyno time, to get it tuned in...
If your only trying to add just enough to just get you over the hump, I'd suggest to creep up on it,
don't go to the biggest HP jets out of the gate...
I'd learn to tune it 1st, read your plugs, check valve lash, do a leak down test between passes etc....

If you do go the port/fogger nozzle route,
make sure the nozzles point at the top/outside of the intake bowl/port runner
& at the intake valve stem, not the floor or sides "ever"...

Also the N20's fuel side of the system needs to be a stand alone system,
that will flow between 5.5psi & 8.5psi @ 150-170gpm, for a port nozzle kit
more depending on hp jetting & size of solenoids orifices etc...
I'd side on the larger side, you can always lean it down...
I'd also run it a 1/2# fatter than they recommend on the fuel side too,
creep up on the leaning it down to be fast...

All solenoids aren't created equal,
so do some research, there are different orifice sizes & flow rates/sizes...
That can change jetting drastically too...


You can still use the same fuel cell, if it's big enough,
but use a separate fuel pump {IMO 170gpm flowing for about 300-500hp should be safe}
& separate bypass style regulator
{not a dead head type, they are too inconsistent, peak/spikes & drops}
Bypass helps to keep fuel cooler & flowing at a constant PSI is by far the best...
Also separate assoc. plumbing lines, to & from the fuel cell to the solenoids & use y's "not tees" wherever possible...
As few 90*'s as possible too...

Also even if you use a WO throttle micro switch, to activate the solenoids/N20 system,
It can be run thru the retard & I'd suggest they be routed thru a retard box or a stand alone N20 controller...
What I would do was back out about 2* at the initial hit,
then continue to progressively taking out more timing about 2* at a time,
at a rate of about 10*-12* total retard, for a 300hp-500hp fogger kit at peak RPM
how fast depends on when it activated & for how long
& maybe use a dip or pressure switch, to kill the system, shut down the solenoids,
if oil pressure or fuel or bottle pressure drops below a safe level,
almost everything can be done thru electronics now...

I can't really recommend any of the current stuff...
I don't know or have ever used allot of it now...

A purge valve/solenoid {activation button} is no big deal,
just put a smaller solenoid {& separate purge button wired in too}
the purge valve/solenoid needs to be teed in just before the entry side of the N20 solenoid,
"don't make it a choke point", installed before it goes to the port nozzles solenoid,
it purges it to the atmosphere, you'll need to route a small piece of stainless tubing out of the engine bay,
it just helps to get liquid N20 to that point before the solenoid & not just C02 & big fat spot {could even go lean},
too much fuel & not enough N20, if it's not purged...

Even if you have it "turning on/activated" thru a WO throttle/micro switch everything on the solenoids & fuel side electronics
all should be ran thru relays, to help avoid electronics spikes & voltage drops...
Also I'd suggest to have an arming switch/toggle like an override switch, everything run thru,
for all it's 12+ volt power, it's a failsafe if nothing else...

Make sure you have really good grounds too, it's basically like having a direct short when all the solenoids are activated...
Make sure your battery is at full charge too, when ever your attempting a N20 run avoid spikes & drops...

You can use a manual activation push button too, if you just want to use it sparingly or just in the lights etc.,
just make sure it's routed thru a retard to help save the motor...

Not sure I helped much,
ask away if you have other questions, I'll try to explain what I still remember...
 
that is a lot of comp.
think the sweet spot if you will is about 13.5 to 1
might need someone like tony that knows a hell of a lot more then I do about nitrous.


maybe i'll get in touch with tony and see what he says.
 
From what I have read on the newer tune's with nitrous. Being to fat (fuel rich) is what will burn a piston fast.
 
I know the president of Nendra is cracking down on the rules as he is making me buy a second seat for my car. NO NITROUS!
 
15.8-1, tight ring gap, thin ring land. I would tread very carefully or you'll be visiting Jimmy. Not to mention the cam and converter will be incorrect.
Doug
 
Does your torque converter have an anti-baloon plate? With that big of a system, you're gonna want it.
 
Does your torque converter have an anti-baloon plate? With that big of a system, you're gonna want it.



Yes it's a Neal chance blown/nitrous converter with anti balloning plate with all the bells and whistles.

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15.8-1, tight ring gap, thin ring land. I would tread very carefully or you'll be visiting Jimmy. Not to mention the cam and converter will be incorrect.
Doug



I know the cam has got to be wrong and i think compression is going to be an issue also which is why i want to ask questions now. I wanted a conservative tune up on it but i'm rethinking this now. Too many variables
 
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I had n2o on a drag jet-boat and loved it, never had a problem,. It would jump 5ft up and 25ft forward out of the water when I punched it with the n2o.. It was 20 years ago and it was just a carb plate kit, "Stage 5", I think it was called., because it came with 5 jet sets, 50-100-150-200 & 250hp. I had it on an LS6 454 that had 10-1 comp, a mild race cam, 850 holley, vertex mag, and I forget what else. I started with the 50hp jets and basically got 10 mph extra with each of the 1st few jet set step ups but then didn't notice as much extra with the 200 and 250hp jets. In other words I got 30mph extra with the 150hp jets and thats the ones I used for most all racing. We also skied, barefoot mostly, with the boat so the n2o let me enjoy it racing or just skiing. Raced it for 5 years, won a couple season championships, then sold it to buy a mild mannered family type boat for just skiing and fishing with the wife & kids. All that is gone now except for my suppressed desire for speed, my mopar project, and my dogs. LOL! Sry for the blurred pic, the wife tore up all the good ones when she found out how much I spent on it.
 

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Yes it's a Neal chance blown/nitrous converter with anti balloning plate with all the bells and whistles.

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I know the cam has got to be wrong and i think compression is going to be an issue also which is why i want to ask questions now. I wanted a conservative tune up on it but i'm rethinking this now. Too many variables
I'd worry about nipping a piston more than anything. You need a thicker upper ring land, crown and a wider ring gap. Not to mention it should have hell fire rings in it. The converter will be looser, probably not hurt it. The cam is the least of your worries. I'm sure you could pull some timing and hit it with a small shot and probably not hurt it, until you get greedy,LOL
Doug
 
I'd worry about nipping a piston more than anything. You need a thicker upper ring land, crown and a wider ring gap. Not to mention it should have hell fire rings in it. The converter will be looser, probably not hurt it. The cam is the least of your worries. I'm sure you could pull some timing and hit it with a small shot and probably not hurt it, until you get greedy,LOL
Doug


Even with 15.8 compression?
What's a small shot to you?
 
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