Why Mopar is better than GM

[WP29440SE]

After reading your input i have a couple of retorts myself:

A. You're not the boss of me

B. This thread is posted in the General Discussion / Anything Goes Forum:

C. "You guys are arguing about engine from 40 years ago. Give it a rest." This is a website dedicated to cars/engines made 40 years ago. Why don't you "Give it a rest" and move on to another thread?. Also see A. and B.

D. "I dont like the constant bickering about the two." I don't care. Also see A., B., and C.

E. "IT suprises me not that the person who posted this has 17 posts on here." I don't care and I imagine it will have many more by the end of the day. Also see B. and C.

F. "rusty is very knowledgeable.. respect" This is not in dispute here

G. "And the last word on the whole Mopar better than GM is K-Car.. Perhaps the worst POS ever produced in this country." What makes you think it's the last word? Because you say so? And what in the hell has the K car got to do with anything, especially in this forum? Also see C.

Have a nice day.

regardless of who this was directed at ...lmfao !! great post

 

[YY1]

GN was 86 IIRC

You ever seen a GLHS run??

IMO, If I HAD to buy a new 78-ish car, it'd have probably been a...5 liter fairmont futura!!

Rack and pinion steering (ford was WAY ahead on that one, even vs the corvette), relatively light body, RWD, useable rear seat, rear leafs (never been a rear coil fan), and 5.7 liter kicking 302 (even a cop option). Those cars are WAY underestimated (and they share lots of parts with fox mustangs).

I'd probly own a GN, too (or a 4 speed Volare RR), although one of my buds had a 83ish T type and I didn't have enough head room.
That's why I'll never own a GLHS Charger.

I had an 86 Daytona 2.2T and an 86 S10 151, and they were both less than dependable, although the Mopar was madening, at least the head never cracked. My mom had an 85 crown vic, and it wasn't too bad. It was a better car than her 80 gran prix.

60s and 70s Mopars alwayd had about 1 inch more headroom than nearly all gms and most fords.
If I have to drive it, I really want to fit.
Unless you're 6'3" or over, you probably don't notice, but if you are, it's REAL important.

Too bad Mopar has consistantly been taking away that extra headroom.

 

[bigmanjbmopar]

This is the perfect thread for my song -

Start'em up they spit and fart. Rev'em up they blow apart, it's a chevy it's a chevy! yeah lol

Example:
Small Block Chevy
Valve train sucks just how Rusty mentioned before
Connecting Rods suck. If you plan on any horsepower or rpm you have to replace them
You have to use a 4 bolt main block or make the 2 bolt main block stronger with splayed caps
Have to go with screw in studs and guideplates
Have to go with hardened pushrods with the guideplates
How often do you see GM cars running "factory" GM castings that make good power? Mopar owners were strapped for many years making power with
factory castings before we finally had some aftermarket options.
Cam locking plate due to "cam walk"
GM guys make fun of what a Chrysler starter sounds like. I rather have a Chrysler starter than a GM starter. GM starters have to be shimmed just right or you
hear the famous grind.
How about the GM rear ends that use C clips? Love that idea. Lets spit axles out the side of the car
You always hear the famous "Chrysler are too expensive to build" My Chevy is so much cheaper. They are cheaper to build at the start but they do not last as long.
I have friends that ran small block chevy for drag cars. They had to tear them down every year and freshen them up. The Mopar friends I have that raced would run 2-3 years sometimes 4 years before a freshen up. Plus the Mopar engines would have more factory parts in it than a chevy. The only thing I can think of that would be factory in their engine would be the block and even then, most are using GM performance Bowtie blocks.
I had a 1970 318 satellite as my first car. I put a stock 340 intake on it, stock 340 cam, headers, and a 355 gear. I used to school so many small block gm with that car it was hilarious. I'm talking engines with similiar modifications. I understand why the aftermarket has catered to the small block chevy. They have been around forever and they need aftermarket parts to function. So when you have to build your Mopar and are frustrated that you have to order the part or pay more, just think of the better investment and quality that you are working with.

 

[Sonny Black]

spewed oil worse thean the Exxon Valdez.. might have saved mopar from going under but it was a crap car.. wasnt the gran nat out at the same time? I dont like fwd never have never will..LOL

[Sorry but please read, Rusty is correct...Lee, my hero said.."If you find a better car, buy it."

That better car must have been Chrysler's new K-car series, for the strong sales of the midsize vehicle — as well as the company's streamlining of manufacturing plants and invention of the minivan — helped Chrysler repay its government loans seven years early in 1983.

BTW; I'm not sayin' I liked them, but they saved 'em

 

[747mopar]

K-Cars where my dad's work transportation to work for years, they where ugly but I don't remember him having any troubles "good car as far as I'm concerned". As far as Mopar versus the others, for me it was always the thinking outside the bun, 426 Hemi, Daytona's, Superbirds, the factory built race cars, Sublime Green, Go Mango, Panther Pink, the Coyote and Roadrunner, Mopar was the company that did what others wouldn't. It wasn't until I finally got to build my own that I realized all of the other benefits found throughout . I've built other motors but was surprised at how very little parts I needed to make reliable power with a Mopar.

 

[benno440]

well said 747 exact reason i own a mopar, because its different and they are beautiful, here in oz its all ford and chev and i was sick of seeing there ****.

hands down mopar is the best, if you dont like it piss off,

 

[dla4567]

This arguement has and will go on forever. :argue: But please don't bash the K car. Its not nice to bully others just because they are weak.

 

[Hemi Rebel]

First car i had on the street was an 86 shelby charger. 2.2 turbo 5 speed. I went to school with a guy that had a 68 camaro 327 4 speed. We met up on the road one night. Rt 140 southbound out of Westminster MD. I was taking a friend for a ride when the camaro started following me. I made a u turn to head back towards town. As we came around i let him get next to me. So from a slow roll, side by side, we both mashed it. That turbo spooled up and i was hangin on. Those things had wicked torque steer. I was rowing through that box like a pro. Steering wheel jerking out of my hands with every shift. And him fading with every shift too. First to second put his front end at the middle of my door. Second to third and i had a car on him. That little car ran good for sure. Not a year later i wound up parking it on a rock in a snow storm. And that was the end of that.

 

[dla4567]

I also had a Shelby Charger w/2.2 turbo, loved that car. I pulled up to a 5.0 Mustang at a light. When the light turned I dropped the hammer and dumped the clutch.All thru the gears that car ran better than it ever had and I wasn't even close to keeping up with the mustang. That was that, back to the V8's for me.

 

[696pack]

The thread title is "Why Mopar is better than GM" but that leaves a lot of unanswered questions or room for anyone posting to pick out a specific area of superiority from back in the day or today.

I will put my own spin on this and comment on what I knew first hand from selling Dodges and AMCs from 1968-1974 and comment on a varity of things.

First of all as many of you know I am a car guy first and not a specific ONE brand lover even though all of my classics are currently Mopar I have owned MANY GM and other brand classic cars in the last 45 years.

From the factory on all items below:

Body fit and wind noise GM wins all the way as best fit and least wind noise.

Overbuilt most undestructable drivetrains Mopar wins all the way. Heavy built blocks, mains, rods, valvetrains, transmissions and rear ends. Makes GM same componants look like Tinker Toys by comparison.

Paint quality GM wins BIG. best finished bodies for their super smooth, shiney NICE factory laquer paint jobs. Unlike Mopars sloppy body prep, orange peeled thick looking enamel paint.

Hi performance differences. Unlike most THINK here 45 years later, there were only SLIGHT differences in the factory performance for class competing cars. You can't go by old car magazine road tests because they seldom had equal cars with h.p., rear gears, trans. and options not to mention cars often ran on different days, on different tracks, different elevations etc. The only TRUE indicators were the NASCAR and NHRA Stock and Super Stock results from the day. These are races held the same day, same track, etc. WHY? Because both venues had factory engineering support weather openly or secretly. They show the true potential of the factory drivetrains. Even in these venues there are 100th of a second between 1st and 2nd place. With the exception of the Hemi engine which without a doubt is the best gasoline internal combustion engine design to date, all the others from the factory or the best the factory was able to do in stock form (as the rules allowed) in NASCAR and NHRA the differences are split second. When it comes to all out speed with no holds barred the Hemi seems to have limitless power compared to any other manufacturer. Just look under the bodies of top fuel dragsters and you seldom find anything other than a Hemi, at least for the winners.

 

[alleyoopmgv]

I have to disagree with everyone, Lee Iacocca and the Chrysler minivan saved Chrysler.

Play nice guys

 

[WileE]

I get a kick out of people on a "Mopar" forum with a Chevy screen-name, who bash the brand of cars on this forum. (696pack makes the best points here.) K-car is garbage ? But, has anybody had first-hand experience with these cars ? I've been in the auto business for 40 years, had a small fleet of K-cars back in the 80's and they were indestructible. No, they didn't make 200k miles, usually the trans went close to 300k miles ! You want POS ??? Vega, Monza, Citation, and all the other GM clonemobiles that were absolute garbage. And I won't mention the GM diesel,the 4-6-8 Cadillac engine as well as the Northstar. All brands had their stars & duds. Funny... the minivan started off a K-car platform... still being produced today. GM couldn't make a minivan.

 

[Dennis H]

As apparent in the 9th post of this thread, I contend that liberalism is a mental disorder and can even infiltrate a discussion like this.

 

[YY1]

Now that we havwe that setled-

Which religion is the correct one?

 

[Flys-Lo]

Now that we havwe that setled-

Which religion is the correct one?

Not sure... but I do know that red is the fastest color, cats are softer than dogs, and cookies smell better than brownies. Oh, and water is wet.

 

[BIGSHCLUNK]

I just wasted 10 mins reading this thread.......... ppphhhttt

 

[Meep-Meep]

Let's get back on track.

CHEVROLET = Cracked Heads Every Valve Rattles Oil Leaks Every Time

My personal opinion is I like all of them but prefer MoPar for many of the reasons stated by the OP.