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Would Plymouth have been the better choice???

Plymouth had some standout models like the Roadrunner and Barracuda, but Dodge arguably had by far the most iconic models; Charger, Challenger, Demon, Dart, Superbee, Viper, Neon, Caravan, Ram, Power Wagon, etc. List not limited to muscle cars, but profitable top-selling models of any genre.
 
Dodge was a larger brand for sure so no surprise Plymouth got cut instead of it.. It’s interesting how the big 3 have pared back their brands in recent times. Chrysler axed Imperial a long time ago, then there was the short lived Eagle, then Plymouth. What will be next, Chrysler?
It’s more controversial which brands got cut at GM. I still can’t believe they cut Pontiac. It’s said that Buick was saved because it’s a popular brand in China, but still….
Yet they keep the largely forgotten GMC brand for some reason.
 
Plymouth would have been given a second chance if Daimler had allowed the PT (Plymouth truck) Cruiser to launch as planned. With the Prowler as the halo car, the PT Cruiser flying out of the showroom, followed by higher Voyager sales it would have revived the brand.

Daimler just wanted Plymouth gone as part of their plan to bleed Chrysler dry.
 
Dodge was a massive automotive manufacturer .
Plymouth was an added label.
 
If not for the name sake Chrysler Corporation,
Chrysler is the brand that should have been axed, not Plymouth

I have a soft spot for Dodge, specifically the 68-70, well 71 also Chargers R/Ts
Dodge has the Ram Truck line no matter what they call it,
it'll forever be a Dodge Truck
I had a crapload of
14 (?) Power Wagons, 2 Power Rams/Cummins diesels ,
2 Ramchargers, 2 Demons, 12 Chargers, 2 Dakota R/Ts
I've still had quite a few more Dodges, than Plymouths
13 RRs, 4 Trail Dusters, 2 Dusters, 1 Barracuda (inherited from my uncle),
1 GTX, 1 Satellite, 1 Sport Satellite (my mom's 1st new car)

I think they sold way more Dodges, than Plymouths too
Maybe why;
I have a soft spot for my Plymouths, especially now they're gone...
Only thing I'd rather have is a 68 Charger R/T, GG1 & Black
my old one, from HS or a 68 GTX Convertible

Besides my current 1999 Dodge Dakota SLT 4x4, 5.2ltr Magnum,
w/bunch of bolt-on, tuner & minor mods, w/62k miles,
I love that lil' truck
Had quite a few Jeeps, many were years made before the Chrysler Corp
owned them, bought out in pre-1984 (IIRC) CJs & Willys/Kaisers
& now my 2020 Jeep Launch Edition Gladiator Rubicon PU,
with 15k miles & a new motor from Jeep, thanks to dad putting diesel in it
& driving it after, locking up the org. 12k mile engine

I'd much rather own & drive my 99 Dodge Dakota, that the newer Jeep
 
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I thought there was too much infighting in the company. Dodge, usually behind in sales, always backstabbed and bickered to get their way when Plymouth was more popular, to the point in the 1970s when Plymouth started to get left behind; their upscale 1975 b-body Sebring was rebadged as a Chrysler Cordoba instead, leaving sales for Plymouth on the floor.

Dodge had the Charger, which was nice. But not much else that wasn't already covered by Plymouth or Chrysler. They didn't even have an a-body equivalent to the Barracuda, and likely wouldn't have had the Challenger either if Plymouth wasn't already gearing up for the revised 1970 platform.

In the 60's, the Fury usually outsold the Polara by over 4:1. For small cars, the Dodge Dart was copied from the Valiant but never sold as much - pick any year in the 1960s or 1970s and the Plymouth version sold 3 or 4 times as much per year.

It was Plymouth who had the idea for the economy muscle car with the Road Runner and scored big time, so Dodge tried to copy it, but sold far fewer of their Super Bees.

Plymouth scored big with the Duster in 1970, so Dodge cried "ME TOO" and got their own fastback Dart the next year, but still couldn't match sales. Look at 1974, when both models were well established: Plymouth Valiant/Duster sales were 459,083 that year while Dodge managed 109,348 for the Dart/Dart Sport versions.

After the large c-body cars were killed, Plymouth wasn't even given an R body Gran Fury until a year after Chrysler and Dodge had their versions...and the year without the Gran Fury was the first time since 1930 that Dodge managed to sell more cars than Plymouth. Every other year before then had Plymouth ahead of Dodge in sales.

Dodge didn't have anything as low priced as a Plymouth, or as luxurious as a Chrysler, so basically, Dodge should have kept making trucks and Plymouth and Chrysler could have covered the rest of the car segments just fine.

By the way, back around 1991 or so, I don't think Dodge even sold cars in Canada, just trucks and vans. If you wanted a (front wheel drive) Dodge Daytona, you bought a Chrysler Daytona. Same for a Chrysler Intrepid or Chrysler Neon. We got along fine without Dodge cars. :)
 
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Plymouth was always a "low price leader" and that translated to a lot of sales.

They sold plenty of 75-77 Fury cars as well vs the Charger and Cordoba.

The "gray area" cars IMO were cars like the 67/68 VIP.
 
Sure they did .... the Dart.

Say, whaaaaaaa (actually to the quoted text about Charger and 1970)

...but to the quoted text from RC-

Dart and Valiant- equals (*although no "23" body Valliants 67-69).
Barracuda was a sporty (A body) Valliant and didn't really have a Dodge counterpart.
Like the Charger, a sporty B body that had no Plymouth counterpart

...until 1970/71 when all kinda stuff happened.
 
Challengers outsold Baracudas two to one every year.
Yes they did, partly due to pent up demand because there were no Challengers for the first six years of Barracuda production. It took longer than usual for Dodge to start copying the idea.
 
The Plymouth line should have sold more than the Dodge line... they were Chryslers econo box cars. No news here. Dodge had the upscale flagship cars for people with acquired tastes and higher income. The ladder didn't stop there, at the top you had the distinguished folk that didn't live in the inner cities. They bought Imperials.
Ironically, the least produced cars were the highest quality ones.
 
Instead of making the GTX an upscale Road Runner, they should have made it a flagship model like Dodge did with the Charger.
 
Do we need this again?


GTX = Coronet R/T
Roadrunner = Super Bee* (introduced after successful launch of RR)
Charger = no comparable model
 
I’ll settle this my way I own one of each flavor, Chrysler, Dodge , Plymouth, Jeep and I like them all! Need a Desoto yet! Just kidding I think I’m done , trucks are all Dodges too. Lol
 
Which brand was more versatile Plymouth or Dodge? I was thinking today if Chrysler had decided to shelve Dodge (cars not trucks) instead of Plymouth what models would we have or if Chrysler was shelved and Plymouth remained what would that look like? (I know we will never get a real answer but thought this maybe fun)

I know in the 1960's you could get a Belvidere taxi but you could also get a Road Runner or a VIP or Fury III, But did dodge have a top tier vehicle or was that handled by Chrysler, Plymouth and Imperial?

Let me know if I am way off base or share your opinion!
First off, you need to learn how to 'speeeel' BelvEdere lol :poke:
I don't think so. I have always liked every Dodge over it's Plymouth equivalent.
My most favorite car was a 71 340 Cuda and well, owned lots of it's sister cars. The only one that came close was a 70 Challenger 440 RT convertible and the Cuda was actually faster in the 1/4 mile and handled better too. The RT came really close though since it was a 440 car.
Plymouth would have been given a second chance if Daimler had allowed the PT (Plymouth truck) Cruiser to launch as planned. With the Prowler as the halo car, the PT Cruiser flying out of the showroom, followed by higher Voyager sales it would have revived the brand.

Daimler just wanted Plymouth gone as part of their plan to bleed Chrysler dry.
I remember the first time to look at a PT since my wife at the time wanted one. When I opened the hood and saw what was there, I dropped the hood. Screw that and walked away. Fast forward several years and the X and the daughter went looking for a car for the daughter. Guess what came home. A freakin PT! Nothing on that dang thing was easy to work on....
Challengers outsold Baracudas two to one every year.
Another one that kain't speeel LOL! It's Barracuda man :poke::rofl:
 
The Plymouth line should have sold more than the Dodge line... they were Chryslers econo box cars. No news here. Dodge had the upscale flagship cars for people with acquired tastes and higher income. The ladder didn't stop there, at the top you had the distinguished folk that didn't live in the inner cities. They bought Imperials.
Ironically, the least produced cars were the highest quality ones.
You are spot on. Because of the sales and entry level status, they should have been kept. Just like General Motors kept Chevrolet. People who wanted more could still option up a Satellite, GTX or Fury III to be quite plush.
 
It was more akin to fomoco dropping mercury.

One of three brands.

Except they dropped the middle brand and Mopar dropped the lower line.

IMO gm's first you buy a chevy then you trade up to pontiac, then an olds.....

philosophy

was odd and convoluted from the start.
 
Except; when the marquee was dropped.. no one wanted a plymouth neon. Or a plymouth voyager. Or a plymouth breeze.
 
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