would this work for the street?

[Bens69PlymouthSatellite]

with all the help and appreciated input from all of you,here is what i think I am going to do to my 440 magnum,comp cam .549/.544 lift 292/300 duration 242/[email protected],JE pistons,or SRP,flat top pistons,Manley connecting rods, Edelbrock torker 2 intake manifold operating range 2500-6500rpm,Edelbrock rpm extreme pre assembled cylinder heads,maximum valve lift .600,80cc chamber volume,intake port volume 225cc,exhaust,100cc,valve size 2.20 intake,1.81 exhaust,K1 crankshaft and probably a Holley dominator,Msd distributor,all clevite bearings,Hedman headers,8.75 rear end with an auburn dif. and 4.10 gears tci 727 trans,pst driveshaft,would this combo work? or would this be to crazy for the street?just curios if anyone could estimate what my compression would be and if i could still run pump gas or if this would just run like a bucket of ****,also anyway of estimating what kind of HP i would be at with this combo.MY main goal is to make the car a naturally aspirated retarded fast street machine,that will make the local mustang and camaro guys know why we love MOPARS,Input appreciated thanks a ton.

 

[Meep-Meep]

Streetable to me means how much I am willing to put up with and how much I want to spend on gas. Do I want my ears to ring after a 500 mile trip? Do I want to spend $7.00 / gal on race gas for my 11:1 CR commuter engine? Glancing over your combo I think it will be very happy with 11:1 CR, which means no pump gas. Personally I think you can get by with less cam, especially with the big valve heads.

 

[daredevil]

that cam has enough duration to bleed off some cylinder pressure. with aluminum heads it should run on 93 octane. similar to my combo i think around 525 to 550 horse. id say streetable aroud town but a beast on longer trips. would make a nice toy

 

[Bens69PlymouthSatellite]

could i use dish pistons instead of flat top to lower compression?

someone suggested to me about using dish pistons instead of flat top to lower compression,someone also told me that person was a tard and i should only run dish pistons with a supercharger,could it possibly work?also maybe like a 525 lift cam to 535 at the most would possibly be a little better, from what ive been told,I wanna avoid racing fuel at all costs,and having to trailer it on long vacations,such as the woodward dream cruise in Detroit,and going to Iowa to visit my sister,I love to drive and wanna drive this car as much as possible plus I do a little street racing,and theres a 500 HP EVO 8 ive been itching to show why he should have went american made along with the other import tards that are out there,they are all a bunch of dumb kids but they stink up the scene with there,i saw fast and the furious to many times attitudes,any input would be appreciated,thanks to both of u guys,u have been a giant help in making this project possible for me.

 

[Meep-Meep]

The battle you are fighting is power to weight ratio. I'm not sure what an EVO is, but I bet it weighs about as much as a Kleenex box, and with said 500 HP that's a pretty impressive ratio. Your B body with you in it is probably right at 3700 lbs. I'm guessing this EVO is some rice burner 4 cyl contraption? His 500 HP is probably a peak number and it's all in at something like 9000 RPM, but can he do anything with it? What it comes down to is making the most average HP through the 1/4 mile and getting it to the ground. Lots of factors here. It would be interesting to see what the power curve looks like on the EVO. Does it make more than 35 lbs / ft of torque below 7500 RPM? Can he drive? Can you drive?? Can he make it to the end of the 1/4 without grenading the engine or spitting out CV joints? I know the MoPar can!!

Your requirement of driving the car everywhere (a proper thing in my opinion!) limits you to the best pump gas available, but to be fair, you may not find the best so you should design in some margin. In CA 91 R+M/2 is about as good as it gets. This will decide your compression ratio and compression ratio will play a big role in deciding the cam. There are a few ways to lower compression and running dished pistons that eliminate the quench is not one of them. Preserving the quench is also helpful in preventing detonation and making power.

I think this is comparing apples to oranges, so if you go up against this guy with a 3700 lb car you better have it going on under the hood and in the drivers seat!

 

[Bens69PlymouthSatellite]

any tips?

well the 500 HP evo is also only rumored,hes just a dumbass young punk spendin mom and dads $,I can drive,not to sound cockey,a lot of people that go out there to run there cars think i can take him,wont know for sure till i try though,any tips you can give me to get the most HP/Torque outta this beast and still keep her streetable? I would definently appreciate your input, thanks!

 

[dantrap]

The cam does not sound to big, you probably want an 850 holley instead of the dominator. you can get away with a little ore compression with the alum head. But you will need to know more details to be able to calculate your compression, piston volume ie. how far down there in the hole & dia, head gasket thickness, you got the 80cc chamber etc. I would bet your going to be lower compression wise than you think. The 4:10s even with a 29" tall tire are going to be a killer for your long trips. You can always add a little shot of nitrous (125hp) when your drag racing but you will need good fuel. Good luck with your build up.

 

[macdiesel]

You should check out "How to Build Max Performance Mopar Big Block" by Andy Finkbeiner.

Did you say what bore/stroke you're using? I have a Torker II on my 440 and a 850 DP. I like it, but I would've gone with a Performer RPM if I was to do it over. The Dominator is out of the question with both of those intakes. The only way to use it would be with an adapter and you'll be WAY over carbed.

 

[Meep-Meep]

So I guess this is what and EVO is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXIuJPPgFH0&feature=related

I'm not trying to be negative here, but geez :edgy:

It seems to me every third one on youtube is below 10 sec 1/4 mile times and 500 HP one is low on the totem pole. Granted this is an extreme case, but like I said, the power to weight ratio is hard to compete with. This will be like racing a motorcycle.

It might take something like this to get the job done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZbjFv1maIE&feature=related

 

[Bens69PlymouthSatellite]

Oh well!

well whatever to hell with the evo anyway win or lose id rather have an american made muscle maniac of a mopar than a pissed off lawn mower with a fart canister for an exhaust! thanks for keeping it real,I still hate ricers!

 

[Bens69PlymouthSatellite]

Oh yeah at this point I think i wanna stick with the stock bore unless i gotta go overbore,dont know for sure yet because im still preparing to tear the engine down,but im using a 2800to3200 stall converter,and i am an r tard because i meant to say street avenger and said dominator but i would either go with an 850 or 870 cfm carb i have big engines on the brain all day and all i think about is cars,im have an illness when it comes to mopars.

 

[Meep-Meep]

well whatever to hell with the evo anyway win or lose id rather have an american made muscle maniac of a mopar than a pissed off lawn mower with a fart canister for an exhaust! thanks for keeping it real,I still hate ricers!

AMEN! You will win in the long run!! Plus you can say you built your 440 with mostly stock parts and it will probably cost you a nickel compared to the EVO.

Plus that thing has to blow up once a week!!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/STMs-StockBlock-Evo-RICER_187598.htm

Oh, and check out the license plate.

 

[383man]

Thats close to the combo in my 63 Sport Fury. I run a .030 over 440 with stock bottom end but I use KB quench pad pistons so I have good quench with my open chamber 906 heads. Its 10.0 comp and I use the MP .557 cam that is about 250 at .050. It runs fine on 92 pump and I drive it everywhere including to the track. It has run a best of 11.49 @ 116 so far. I run 4.30's with a 30 x 9 tire. At 60 to 65 mph it turns about 3300 to 3500 rpm. I drove it 120 miles on the interstate one day cruisin at 60 mph and it never gives me any trouble. Course I love the sound of it as I am a total Mopar gearhead who grew up in the 60's and 70's. With your aluminum heads you should still be ok to run 93 pump at 11.0 and it will be even better if you build quench in it and keep a large enough cam in it to keep cyl pressure below 190. I love running 92 or 93 pump as I stop at the station just outside the track and gas up at $2.50 to $3.00 dollars a gallon as the race cars use $8.00 dollar a gallon gas. Ron

 

[Bens69PlymouthSatellite]

thanks for the helpful tips!

thanks for all the helpful tips,u are all very helpful,im going to be firing the engine up in the garage in a week or so i hope,since i supposedly already have a running 440,if all checks out with the engine she will be runnin soon if not then im gonna rebuild it,and hopefully get her runnin by june,unfortunately i did not grow up in the glory days of mopars in the 60's and 70's im only 26,but i grew up around them my family has owned many of them chargers,challengers,fury,super bee,coronets,barracudas,monacos and now i got a 69 satellite,and i love it like i would love my first born! even though ive never driven her yet,cant wait! and i like the way that evo made it a 1/4 of a 1/4 mile with his shitty proud to be a ricer dork license plate,and blew the engine to pieces,serves him right,hey at least with jack asses like that out there we have more classic mopars out ther for the people who know mopower!

 

[Bens69PlymouthSatellite]

OH YEAH! what would u guys say about the 440 source heads in comparison to the edelbrock?

 

[Meep-Meep]

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Source heads are a copy of the Eddy in terms of port and chamber design. That's how it goes in the real world of manufacturing.

One more thing to add: Just build the car for you and don't worry about anything else. It has to fit into YOUR life style. Best of luck with your build and don't forget the pictures!!

 

[macdiesel]

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Source heads are a copy of the Eddy in terms of port and chamber design. That's how it goes in the real world of manufacturing.

One more thing to add: Just build the car for you and don't worry about anything else. It has to fit into YOUR life style. Best of luck with your build and don't forget the pictures!!

From everything that I've read (a lot!) the 440Source Stealth head is an aluminum replica of the old 915. That's why they named it the Stealth. If you paint that sucker the same color as the rest of the motor, no one would ever know. The runners and the chamber are virtually the same too. The Eddy RPM head is its own animal.

Do even the bare minimum of research and you'll see that the RPM stands head and shoulders above the Stealth. They flow more air out of the box and have more potential. That doesn't mean that the Stealth is a bad product. A lot of folks use them and love them. Consider this; the RPM is used on everything from 400hp 383 street motors to 700hp 13:1 strokers. On top of that they're made 100% FROM SCRATCH right here in America. If you can aford the extra couple hundred bucks, go Edelbrock! If not, I'm sure you'll be fine with the Stealths.

Meep-Meep hit the nail on the head when he said build it for you. You will be much happier!

 

[Bens69PlymouthSatellite]

THanks for the helpful tips!

Im for sure gonna go with the edelbrock heads they just seem alot nicer,im totally gonna build the car for me,and appreciate u guys keepin things in perspective,thanks alot!

 

[Meep-Meep]

From everything that I've read (a lot!) the 440Source Stealth head is an aluminum replica of the old 915. That's why they named it the Stealth. If you paint that sucker the same color as the rest of the motor, no one would ever know. The runners and the chamber are virtually the same too. The Eddy RPM head is its own animal.

Do even the bare minimum of research and you'll see that the RPM stands head and shoulders above the Stealth. They flow more air out of the box and have more potential. That doesn't mean that the Stealth is a bad product. A lot of folks use them and love them. Consider this; the RPM is used on everything from 400hp 383 street motors to 700hp 13:1 strokers. On top of that they're made 100% FROM SCRATCH right here in America. If you can aford the extra couple hundred bucks, go Edelbrock! If not, I'm sure you'll be fine with the Stealths.

Meep-Meep hit the nail on the head when he said build it for you. You will be much happier!

I have seen the Stealth heads up close and personal and the ports are quite different than the 915 head. They flow about 280 CFM on the intake out of the box compared to around 220 for the iron heads. My thought is if I were going to go through the trouble and expense of making an aluminum head, copying a production head would be the last thing I would do. And yes, bolted on an engine they sure look like the factory heads.

 

[macdiesel]

You just answered several questions I had rolling around in my head. So whats your take on them? There are hundreds of opinions and it seems they're split down the middle.