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1975 ignition control module toasting another one..

It would be interesting to note the percentage of ignition issues (all) that are related to electronic ignition (incl the ECU, Pertronics, MSD, coil, ballast resistor, etc.) vs the "old" points/condenser, coil, ballast resistor........by way of the forum's postings, I would guess it's about 98% electronic ignition problem issues vs 2% for points/condenser, coil ballast resistor issues.......but everyone seems to favor electronic ignition (the old origional equipment and the retrofit stuff not the systems on new cars, coil on plug type, GDI, etc).....and just accept their inherent problems......yet are continually bitching, about the related problems.....or, as the old saying goes: "what price is progress??".......WHY IS THIS????........(possibly, they, the owners, made an error in judgement ????....never!!!....(probably due to ego?)......just an observation.......
BOB RENTON
I enjoyed the rant Bob. But of done right the problems go away. Yes back in 1973 there was a big learning curve. Yes those that have to paint the heck out of things with no thoughts of grounding are in for one big headache. There also use to be a spacer plate that helped with cooling. I have never seen the need for the space plate.
 
HI,
HHHMMM I did put in a blaster II coil, the rest is stock stuff? So could the Blaster II be causing the problem???Burning up the ICM
I doubt it. I don't have the test procedure sheet with me, but remember nothing about the ECU needing anything but 12V. The whole purpose of the double resistor was to get the engine started on almost 12v to the coil. Once the ignition switch goes into run mode it functions as normal with 6v to the coil.
 
HI,
HHHMMM I did put in a blaster II coil, the rest is stock stuff? So could the Blaster II be causing the problem???Burning up the ICM
Ballast resistor? The question was asked before which one you have. I didn't see an answer. The electronic ign. ballast should be close to 1.2 ohms. Also, The NAPA ECU's aren't the best quality, like most electronics now days. Get a good one from Halifaxhops. No guarantee it will last longer than the ones you have been buying especially if you have other issues or mis-matched parts. You do need to start with a known good part.
 
I doubt it. I don't have the test procedure sheet with me, but remember nothing about the ECU needing anything but 12V. The whole purpose of the double resistor was to get the engine started on almost 12v to the coil. Once the ignition switch goes into run mode it functions as normal with 6v to the coil.
Wrong....the initial setting up, using a 4 pin ballast resistor, one section was 0.5 Ohm's to limit coil current in the run mode whereas the other section was 5.0 Ohm's which supplied the operating voltage for the ECU. Later editions to system eliminated he 5.0 Ohm' resistor section and the ECU's internal circuitry modified to operate on 12 volts resulting in the 5th wire in the harness plug not being required or used. The coil's primary current was limited by the 0.5 Ohm ballast resistor and switched by the external TO3 Power Darlington transistor on the ECU's case........just my opinion.....
BOB RENTON
 
Wrong....the initial setting up, using a 4 pin ballast resistor, one section was 0.5 Ohm's to limit coil current in the run mode whereas the other section was 5.0 Ohm's which supplied the operating voltage for the ECU. Later editions to system eliminated he 5.0 Ohm' resistor section and the ECU's internal circuitry modified to operate on 12 volts resulting in the 5th wire in the harness plug not being required or used. The coil's primary current was limited by the 0.5 Ohm ballast resistor and switched by the external TO3 Power Darlington transistor on the ECU's case........just my opinion.....
BOB RENTON
That's great but Ohm will only get it half way there. Like I said the books not in front of me.
 
As I have posted multiple times.. :rolleyes:
For best ignition system reliability, the ballast resistor's resistance
should be matched to the coil..

Just my $0.02... :thumbsup:
 
That's great but Ohm will only get it half way there. Like I said the books not in front of me.
I have a through knowledge of how the original Mopar ECU operates, it's requirements, the ballast resistor value and the coil requirements. Not sure what you meant by: "Ohm will only get it half way there" ......sounds like you may be misinformed ......the later additions operate slightly differently......PM me to discuss further.......
BOB RENTON
 
Clean the grounds,check your voltage with the car running,get a box and coil from 4Seconds flat. You won't be using the ballast resistor ,you can keep it for looks.
 
If you gut a modern replacement ICU,you'll find it full of something like sand,a small circuit board,and the thing on the front that is supposed to be the transistor that grounds the coil is a dummy. I gutted a couple and used GM HEI modules on heat sinks in them.
 
If you gut a modern replacement ICU,you'll find it full of something like sand,a small circuit board,and the thing on the front that is supposed to be the transistor that grounds the coil is a dummy. I gutted a couple and used GM HEI modules on heat sinks in them.
Do you have a copy of the "replacement" circuit board insides......show the Power Darlington switching transistor to see if it can be cross referenced to capabilities.......to determine component failure.......
BOB RENTON
 
If your asking for a pic of the board,I didn’t save one.
 
In the late 70’s I worked on a fleet of cabs rebuilding transmissions to start,then everything else. I gutted a few failed ICUs back then,oe. There was way more in them then,and in a fleet of 95 cars running almost 100k a year,few failed. When they started buying cheaper parts,the failure rate increased.The electronics were sealed in with a soft goo,it would bubble when the unit failed. The offshore stuff has a very hard filler holding in what resembles ground mica,the circuit board is small,and as I said,the transitor is a dummy.
 
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, yes, points ign. When I started driving, cars had points ign. It was quite common in wet weather to see broken down cars on the side of the road with failed ign. The spark energy was so low that the moisture in the atmosphere bled off the spark energy, leaving insufficient to ignite the mixture in the combustion chamber. The invention of elec ign was a light bulb moment & we should all be thankful for it.....
 
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Perhaps you should consider going back to the "origional" points, coil and ballast resistor and quit shoveling money on what you have so much poor luck with your present system. WHY DID YOU CONVERT TO ELECTRONIC IGNITION IN THE FIRST PLACE....


This is the main prove you don’t care or don’t even read what ppl says or where is standing!

The OP is talking about a 1975 car, where the last year for original point system from factory was 1972… does this means ANYTHING for YOU?

Have you checked his Avatar pic where his 1975 car is shown?

WHERE THE HELL THE OP SAYS HE MADE THE CONVERSION?

What an A$$h0l3 you are. You are simply set on your closed mind without even see around you the world is DIFFERENT than your thoughts.

(I offer my apologizes to the rest of the crowd for this OT reply, but this guy is definitely…:cursin::cursin: with his attitude)
 
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See? THIS is helpful. Knowing this, it would explain why an ECU would crap out early… it is getting too much current, leading to eventual early failure.
Remember current(amps) is not pushed in, but sucked out.

Voltage is definitely different.
 
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