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440 losing oil pressure

Are you kidding? What does synthetic have to do with oil pressure? Viscosity yes, type of oil, no. The pressure drop you see by going to a lower viscosity oil is less resistance to flow. Putting in 90w will increase pressure but won't help anything. If you have sufficient pressure to provide a hydro dynamic wedge between two parts any extra pressure is a waste of power. In this case the pick-up is sucking air. Why? If it isn't low level or baffeling which it appears it is not I would suspect the filter

Ah not kidding at all! Put synthetic in and you'll see much lower oil pressure in these engines. Of course it's viscosity, but it lowers the pressure, which is what is being seen. I've seen this several times. I also wouldn't recommend it either. Put Rotella / brad penn back in with same type filter, oil pressure right back up there. Not a coincidence. Remember, I've people do all kinds of weird things that we would never do. I was just trying to help out with a possible thought.
 
ahhh , yes , another fine oil / filter debate.

I went from 10/40 conventional , running 80 cold to 65 hot at idle. I dumped it all out and dumped in pure synthetic 10 / 40 using the same filter and got the same exact 80 cold and 65 hot. this debate will never end until hell freezes over.
 
I went from 10/40 conventional , running 80 cold to 65 hot at idle. I dumped it all out and dumped in pure synthetic 10 / 40 using the same filter and got the same exact 80 cold and 65 hot. this debate will never end until hell freezes over.

Different direction....I wonder how much of that has to do with the build of the engine, or wear and tear on an older engine? I will say all of the ones I've seen drop pressure, we're not fresh builds. They were older ones, well after break in.. And another thought, if pressure drops a little and it's a factory gauge cluster that may not be up to par, would it show a much larger drop than actual? I know my pressure gauge will not come up good if there is a bad ground.

How about those thoughts for the debate?

But back to original post.. I hope he gets it figured out, either way!

:banana:
 
Different direction....I wonder how much of that has to do with the build of the engine, or wear and tear on an older engine? I will say all of the ones I've seen drop pressure, we're not fresh builds. They were older ones, well after break in.. And another thought, if pressure drops a little and it's a factory gauge cluster that may not be up to par, would it show a much larger drop than actual? I know my pressure gauge will not come up good if there is a bad ground.

How about those thoughts for the debate?

But back to original post.. I hope he gets it figured out, either way!

:banana:

yes this is on a brand new engine. there were no differences between filters or oil type. things may have changed had I used a different viscosity. perhaps it would have changed had this been high mileage engine. this was the first time I experimented with conventional vs. synthetic and filters. the engine has about 100 miles on it. I also use a brand new analog gauge. the factory electric gauges and senders can be hit and miss. but I will add that rule of thumb is 10 psi for every 1,000 rpms, so as long as its above that , I wouldn't sweat it. I would expect much more on a brand new build where clearances are tighter.
 
I had a Ford van with a 400 in it that started losing oil pressure under load. One of the main bearing bolts had fallen out.
 
Ah not kidding at all! Put synthetic in and you'll see much lower oil pressure in these engines. Of course it's viscosity, but it lowers the pressure, which is what is being seen. I've seen this several times. I also wouldn't recommend it either. Put Rotella / brad penn back in with same type filter, oil pressure right back up there. Not a coincidence. Remember, I've people do all kinds of weird things that we would never do. I was just trying to help out with a possible thought.
If it's the same viscosity and the same temp the pressure should be very close. But that's not what this post is about. The only reason I would question the filter is that the owner stated it happened right after an oil change. If the pan is filled to the correct level, the only other item that changed was the filter. Is it possible something else failed? Sure but I would start with what was changed first. A filter swap Takes 5 minutes and less than $10. The pressure number is overrated. However when there is a drastic change in that number we have a problem. Example car "A" has 40 psi at 6000rpm since it's been built, no issue. Car "B" had 90 psi at 6000 rpm when it was built,but all of the sudden it has 65psi, This is a problem. The fact that thicker conventional oil creates a higher reading only because it has more resistance to flow. Oil does two things, #1 provides a hydrodynamic wedge that keeps metal parts from touching. #2 provides cooling. More flow equals greater cooling. Thinner oil flows faster. It's a win win for the motor. I run 5/30 synthetic in all my bracket race motors. Stock eliminator motors get oil that's even thinner. Thick glue is old school. Look at new Hemi, LS, and Coyote motors. All have synthetic thin oil requirements. In summation there is NO WAY synthetic oil would cause the issue listed in this post. I would suggest anyone wanting to expand their knowledge of oil protection to read here.

https://540ratblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/motor-oil-wear-test-ranking/

Doug
 
Fram filter user here since early 70's on all my cars past and present, never an issue
 
DVW, what's your thoughts on break in oil, synthetic or not. And how many miles for break in?
 
My builder (Mopar Engines West) said use 10-40 Valvoline for break in, then synthetic. Been running Amsoil 10-40 since and no problems, oil pressure good. 440 rebuild, mild, 30 over, 9.5:1.
 
Pennzoil (Dino Oil) and Fram filters since 1975, and never an oil related failure. :3gears:
 
Something else might be worth looking at, maybe a prob in the pressure relief spring/valve.
 
DVW, what's your thoughts on break in oil, synthetic or not. And how many miles for break in?
I break in on conventional mainly do to cost. Your going to dump it after 30 minutes. New car manufacturers break in with synthetic, but no break break-in with roller cams. I run my 900hp bracket for 100 passes between changes with synthetic. The bearings are then inspected. 200 passes same bearings.
Doug
 
I've seen what synthetic oil can do for the longevity of parts. I've also heard in the past, that useing a synthetic oil at first won't allow rings to seat properly and you end up with a smoking, oil burner. The flat tappet cams seem to be the issue now days with break ins.
Guess I need to get "up to date" on just which product and weight oil for this. They were just coming out with syns on my last rebuild and you didn't have this senero.
(Read the article you posted and it's still a little foggy for me. Leaning toward syn. for break in but which brand and weight.)

Not trying to hack this thread but the topic kind of fits...
 
IF it worked good until he changed the oil and filter, the first thing I would do is rotate the tires.
 
IF it worked good until he changed the oil and filter, the first thing I would do is rotate the tires.

Sounds like trying to rotate the tires is what`s causing the problem! lol
 
Fram filter user here since early 70's on all my cars past and present, never an issue

Ya me too, until now. They're not the same as they used to be. I still have a couple of HP 1 Racing filters I bought a couple of years ago that look to be the same as years ago to use this summer, but I see Jegs & Summit don't list the HP Racing's anymore. Looks like time to switch even on the daily drivers.
 
thanks miller............man this thing really got off track .. I passed on the car

Just bringing up 'what ifs'. Just changed oil/filter, then the prob. Just the possiblity a piece of trash holding the relief valve open, or such nonsense. Might have been a easy fix. But, flat don't know until you dig into things.

Hope you didn't get knocked out of a decent buy...but, if you have questions, a good call.
 
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