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A hard and aggravating lesson about deal making.

The guy was out of line! Until it's paid in full keep the title. In fact I would keep the car too. Many years ago I sold a set of wheels to a coworker, still owed me 40 bucks, was going to pay me the rest next payday. I let him take the wheels. Next payday comes, he quits! Never saw him or the 40 bucks again. Sold a car to another coworker on payments let him take the car so he can get to work. He gets laidoff still owing 100 bucks, but I have the title. About 3 months later I see the car on the side of the road, left a note on it to call me. A guy calls me that I don't know, turns out the car went through 3 different guys hands without a title. I signed the title over to him just so I wouldn't be liable for one of those drunks killing someone! So since then, pay me in full, then you can have the merchandise! Rene'
 
I agree with you all, I don't believe he had intention to throw straight dice. I'm just having a hard time accepting the level of absurdity this man displayed. What he did was absolutely disrespectful! I hope for his sake he's not trying to use this as a form of a game plan, cos if thinks that I need to sell this car, he's sadly mistaking.

I love this car and I would rather keep it, but my Super Bee is taking priority.
 
The man practically snatches the money out of my hand like I insulted his mother

Feral . . . I think you did right, and I'm glad he didn't take advantage of you . . . on top of that, you made your mom ( and dad ) proud for being "smart" about it . . . GOOD JOB ! ! !

Now I hope you sell the car and get your full asking price . . . things happen for a reason . . . G'luck !
 
Some people... sheesh. I don't think I would have even let him hold the car. He can go to an ATM and get the rest of the money and come back. Never the less, you did right.


I saw a car part on Craigslist, the dude had it listed: "$20 or trade for anything".
I calculated actual shipping charges (size and weight) to my zip: $10.04. I sent a text, "want to buy *** part will you ship to zip xxxx for $30.?" I know some folks like to add a few bucks for their effort and thats o.k. but, I'd let him tell me that. The text response I got: LOL.
Maybe it's just me. But, don't folks do business anymore? I'd be o.k. if he'd said something like "no, wouldn't put it in a box for $10" or "$40 to ship".
 
Sorry I left this thread as soon as I saw 99 camaro lmao.... the buyer must have been a ford guy lol
 
Honesty is the best policy, unless you work in DC. Then they do not need a car, we pay for their transportation. WORLDWIDE!!
 
People are always looking for a "Smoking Deal" when buying. But what I cant stand are the suppossidly friends that one has. In the past 25 years I have been put out of work for months at a time with 4 different back surgeries. It never fails either that each time someone I was friends with tried to make an offer on my 70 Superbee. And they tried to take advantage of my situation by offering peanuts, thinking I was in a bad situation. I told each up front that if I sell it that it will be because I want to sell, not because I have to. Now I have 90% of all the new parts to finish restoring it. I cant wait to drive by their houses & smoke the tires just once.
You did right, I really don't like wheeling and dealing for that reason. I had a guy once come down to look at a Dart, he agreed to a price gave me $100.00 to hold it a week until he could make it down with a trailer and them got pissed when I wouldn't negotiate for a lower price when he came to get it after already agreeing on a price. The best thing you can do when selling a car is get it in your head that you don't "need" to sell it.
 
I always take cash and trailer you never no what's for sale ands if you see pay and load and go , one time I paid have cash to hold to go to bank and get the rest in cash had a written deal came back in one hour and the car was gone , someone offered more cash for the deal ,talk about f...... being pissed . I called the cops had a report and took the guy to court I won he lost a lot more than what he got ,he had a choice get the car back ,find another of same and condition and priced of sale to me or pay me a cash sum ,he lost , after that deal I pay then and there never trust anyone not a friend or relative .
 
Back around 86 or so I went to look at a 70 GTX. The guy was asking $1200 for it. It ran and drove, had a little rust, and had been bumped in the front drivers side. The guy didn't have the title with him and gave me a story that he could get it. So I offered to pay him $600, take the car and give him the other $600 when he got the title. In the weeks that passed I stopped by his house a few times and no title. One day he stopped by my house and wanted the money so he could make his truck payment. Sorry, no title no money! For the heck of it I asked him who the previous owner to him was....and he told me! :no: I was able to get a hold of them and yep, he owed them money for it, go figure.
 
Surprised you even offered to let him take the car. I would've told him to F--- off for pulling a stunt like that.
 
Seriously guys... this is business, not family, not your church, and not some moral meeting house. What the buyer did was an old business transaction that deals with the fact that once a seller has cash in hand, they are usually very reluctant to part with it. So you say "hey, I only have $1,100 right now", and count on the seller having already spent that cash he/she has in their hand in their heads and not wanting to give it back. So when they say just forget about it, they're betting you'll say "screw it, I'll just take the $1,100" instead of giving it back. It didn't work in this case, but it does work enough that people have been doing it for as long as one human has been selling stuff to another.

Right now the guy is probably waiting on you to call him and say "you know what, I'll take $1,100", and if you don't call back he'll likely show up with the $1,200. And if you're smart you'll smile, take his money, hand him the title and chuckle that you just sold a rolling body POS worth $400 to someone for three times its value. Or you can be foolish and "teach him a lesson" by giving him a hard time, but then if the sale folds - that one is on you. Maybe you get another buyer tomorrow, maybe no one else shows up and you end up selling it to a scrapper for $100.

Always remember that buying and selling cars is always a business, it's not personal, so don't make it personal.
 
Well it was a Chebbie, so you can't really get too upset about it I guess...
 
this could well be a good time to ask..how long do you wait for a deal to come through...should you be left in the wings forever for a low dollar part on a promise of the buyer I will come get it...it has been over 2 months and the man has not returned, I spoke to him 10 days ago and requested he complete the deal..still no sign of him..we talking less than 35.00 total involved cost here with no shipping to consider...I do my ever loving best to honor a deal but seriously...to what extend would you go? As much as I did not want to, I have today passed to the part to the man second in line wanting the part. The man who has defaulted lives less than a mile from me might I ad...
 
I always go with first money. If someone comes up to me and says "can you hold this?" I say "No, but hopefully it'll still be here when you get the money." My experience has been that when you agree to hold on to something for someone, your item becomes pretty low on their list of priorities. If the feel the need for pizza, they get the pizza using your money. If they need milk and toilet paper, they'll use that money. If they want t go out drinking, they use your money. You may feel like you're a jerk for saying no, but telling them no means if they really want it, they'll do whatever it takes to get the money and not let your needs slide to the bottom of the priority list.
 
The last time I held something for someone they tried to talk me down on the price after I turned down more money from someone else because I was holding it for him. The *&^^%$$ tries to talk me down after we agree on a price plus I had held it for him!!! Im sorry but life don't work that way. I don't think that he would have done the same for me.
 
Seriously guys... this is business, not family, not your church, and not some moral meeting house. What the buyer did was an old business transaction that deals with the fact that once a seller has cash in hand, they are usually very reluctant to part with it. So you say "hey, I only have $1,100 right now", and count on the seller having already spent that cash he/she has in their hand in their heads and not wanting to give it back. So when they say just forget about it, they're betting you'll say "screw it, I'll just take the $1,100" instead of giving it back. It didn't work in this case, but it does work enough that people have been doing it for as long as one human has been selling stuff to another.

Right now the guy is probably waiting on you to call him and say "you know what, I'll take $1,100", and if you don't call back he'll likely show up with the $1,200. And if you're smart you'll smile, take his money, hand him the title and chuckle that you just sold a rolling body POS worth $400 to someone for three times its value. Or you can be foolish and "teach him a lesson" by giving him a hard time, but then if the sale folds - that one is on you. Maybe you get another buyer tomorrow, maybe no one else shows up and you end up selling it to a scrapper for $100.

Always remember that buying and selling cars is always a business, it's not personal, so don't make it personal.

If that's business, that's a poor sense of ethics. Call it stupid if you like, but what he did was disrespectful and personal, and if he did come back with $1,200 that deal is off the table. I do not need to sell the car, I'm not going hungry or unable to pay my bills with it just sitting there; I can afford to tell him where to stick it.

If I don't sell it soon, I'll probably just fix it. With the cost of a new transmission for this car, I'd just assume to buy a new one for it than to buy another used car, or make a payment on one. I know what all is wrong with the car cos I've had it and drove it for a while, I know what to expect; well, better than I would some other person's car! lol

this could well be a good time to ask..how long do you wait for a deal to come through...should you be left in the wings forever for a low dollar part on a promise of the buyer I will come get it...it has been over 2 months and the man has not returned, I spoke to him 10 days ago and requested he complete the deal..still no sign of him..we talking less than 35.00 total involved cost here with no shipping to consider...I do my ever loving best to honor a deal but seriously...to what extend would you go? As much as I did not want to, I have today passed to the part to the man second in line wanting the part. The man who has defaulted lives less than a mile from me might I ad...

I've had the car up for sale for a couple of weeks when he came around, had a few calls and emails, but he was the only real potential buyer. He came back to finish the deal just a few hours later.
 
An honest man would have apologized for giving you the incorrect amount of money and immediately made the correction. This MF was a scammer....
 
If that's business, that's a poor sense of ethics. Call it stupid if you like, but what he did was disrespectful and personal, and if he did come back with $1,200 that deal is off the table. I do not need to sell the car, I'm not going hungry or unable to pay my bills with it just sitting there; I can afford to tell him where to stick it.

It's only a personal thing if a seller, or a buyer, allows it to be. I remember going to a car dealership with my Dad and sister one time. We were looking to get a car for my sister to take to college, and Dad and the salesman were just going at it. They were debating, then arguing, then name calling, then my Dad stormed out and my sister and I were so frigging embarrassed about the whole spectacle we never wanted to go in that dealership again, or go car shopping with Dad. :) Then the next day, Dad says "we're going back to the dealership", and he drug us along even though that was the last place in the World we wanted to be. We walk in the door and there's the salesman and my Dad all smiles, shaking hands, and asking Lora if she wants to go see her new car! We were shocked! We thought that salesman was going to throw all three of us out the door, but my Dad later explained to me that business is business, and negotiations can get heated, and strong words can be exchanged, and both sides screw each other over to get the best deal, but you must never let it get to be a personal thing. If my Dad had said "that guy was trying to rob me, screw us over, take me to the cleaners, and I'm never doing business with him again!", we would never have gotten the deal on the car my Dad had been fighting for.

If you want to take the slight of a friend personally, and choose not to be their friend, by all means do so. But a business transaction isn't about friendship. It's about buying and selling, and the worst mistake I see folks on either side of a transaction make is letting things get personal. When that happens one party either loses an opportunity to sell, or an opportunity to buy, which really doesn't matter a hoot to me if the failed transaction is for something I want. :)

You want to tell him to stick it, that's a perfectly acceptable action to take, but what does it get you? Yeah, you get your sense of self-satisfaction and pride for taking the moral high road, but unless another buyer comes along you're stuck with your pride and nothing else, and your pride isn't going to accomplish what you needed to accomplish.

This reminds me of a guy I recently met who was selling a 1974 Imperial that had been sitting in his driveway for 20 some odd years. He's an old retired railroad guy with lots of health issues, lives with 20 or so cats in an old house, and works on motorcycles as a hobby. Problem was his Imperial and an old van were blocking his access to his garage and he needed to get rid of them to make room for other efforts. Like you, he wasn't going hungry or needed money for bills, he needed space and access.

I went to look at the Imperial because it had the special heavy duty towing package with the Dana 60, and I wanted the rear out of it for my Road Runner. The car was a total basket case. The fenders, quarters, hood and trunk were totally rusted through, and he had a steel bar running from the dash to the rear of the trunk to keep the quarters from collapsing in. There had been racoons living in it for years, and the interior was filled with racoon turds and trash, and just reeked. The engine was a 440, but a 74 engine, and it's tough to give those away down here. The guy wanted $1,200 for the car, but while that would be a good price for just a B-body Dana, it was a C-body Dana that I would have to cut down and modify to fit, get new axles for, it had disk brakes so I would need 15" wheels instead of 14", so if I bought it for $1,200, I would be paying another $800+ to make it fit, which made no sense when I could get one that was the right application already for $1,200. Plus if I bought the car, I was going to have to pay a couple hundred to have it towed to my house, then rush to take it apart before my neighbors complained of the smell from the racoon turds, and then I would likely have the 440 and 727 sitting in my garage forever until I just gave them away.

So I told the guy I would give him $300 for the car, pay for the tow, and if I sold the 440, I would pay him whatever I got for it. I thought this was a fair deal because while the Dana might be worth $1,200, it would only be worth that to someone who needed one for a C-body car, and there aren't many folks restoring C bodies these days. The car itself could never be restored, and anyone else wanting to use the Dana on a different body type was going to have the same cost issues I had. Well, long story short, the owner just went ballistic about how I was trying to rip him off, take advantage of him, blah, blah, blah, and went off in a huff. I let it roll off me, and I called him a couple of days later and left a message to see where we stood, and he wouldn't even talk to me. He had a friend call me back and tell me what a chiseling cheapskate I was, and they were going to get their price for that car and they would never sell it to me at any price!

Well, that was a year ago, and that old Imperial is still sitting right where it was the first time I saw it. Apparently he never got his price, or any other buyers. He has his pride, but still doesn't have the room or access he needed, and I have a nice correct 8.75 rear in my garage, which is what I really needed instead of the Dana impulse buy. :) So he let it get personal, and lost out on what he needed... so did he win? Nope.
 
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