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Anyone in LA ? be safe

A very cool story emerges:
https://archive.is/6AatJ
This one is about an actual brain surgeon who had just come out of surgery the morning the fire approached
his home - but thanks to he and his neighbors organizing a makeshift "fire brigade" after the last fires (apparently
they happen frequently in his neck of the woods), they were able to fight off the fire themselves FOR 5 DAYS.
That's just incredible. My hat's off to them!
 
So sad. Think if the water was available and not drained out of the reservoir's then more could have been saved. Due to people not wanting to do pre burns or brush removal this is what happens. Yes, without the brush and root systems then you have mud slides. It is bad that insurance companies canceled many homes insurance due to the age of the home. We have an older mobile home in Florida, and no one wants to insure it now. We say self-insurance is the best you can do. Put the money in the bank account that you would pay these companies and let it draw interest. So much devastation now days from mother nature. Our prayers go out to those who have lost so much. Blue.
I just don't understand the lack of water in fire hydrants. I mean, isn't there a large amount of water nearby, called the Pacific Ocean? Even in Vancouver, which has plenty of full reservoirs, they have a complete pumping station in the ocean connected to the fire hydrant system. Unlimited water for as long as you need.
 
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I just don't understand the lack of water in fire hydrants. I mean, isn't there a large amount of water nearby, called the Pacific Ocean? Even in Vancouver, which has plenty of full reservoirs, they have a complete pumping system in the ocean connected to the fire hydrant system. Unlimited water for as long as you need.

The water is hooked to the residential water supply. You can't pump seawater.
Also there are many home that have sprinklers, plenty got compromised and were leakers. More leaks, volume and pressure loss.
 
The water is hooked to the residential water supply. You can't pump seawater.
Also there are many home that have sprinklers, plenty got compromised and were leakers. More leaks, volume and pressure loss.
Perhaps they should have done differently then. While the red hydrants are on the normal water mains, in Vancouver (and some other nearby communities) the blue hydrants are on their own system, and are rated for 8.5 earthquakes. And while they are currently fresh water, they CAN be flooded with ocean water if required. You can certainly pump seawater, desalination plants do it all the time. Vancouver basically copied what San Francisco did after the 1989 earthquake.
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I just don't understand the lack of water in fire hydrants.
Incompetent 'leadership' and agendas of the elected officials for the last 30 years playing a huge part here.
But that said....if you can help/donate anything to help folks out, it will be greatly appreciated. You can find out how on the interweb...These are fellow Americans, family members, friends...regardless of politics this is the time to get each other's backs. Not all of the affected are rich celebrities or whatever; many regular folks have gotten caught in the destruction and are left with nothing so if you can help in any way, please do!
Thanks
 
Samaritans Purse. Mercy Chefs. Poor Bastards. Heartache for them.
 
The water is hooked to the residential water supply. You can't pump seawater.
Also there are many home that have sprinklers, plenty got compromised and were leakers. More leaks, volume and pressure loss.

I'm not sure every hydrant or area was off. I don't think it was all of them. Fire trucks do have water tanks.

A lot of that area is mountainside with elevation changes.

I'm just cautious of what soundbites get propelled to the top. Like a 10% issue ends up looking like a 100% issue. 10% is still bad. But not reality.
 
I'm not sure every hydrant or area was off. I don't think it was all of them. Fire trucks do have water tanks.

A lot of that area is mountainside with elevation changes.

I'm just cautious of what soundbites get propelled to the top. Like a 10% issue ends up looking like a 100% issue. 10% is still bad. But not reality.

And the Monday QB stuff

Fire breaks. Sure... how wide are you going to make them? 1/2 Mile? A single D9+ cut isn't doing crap.
Clearing... yeah, clear it and the first rain or damp conditions and it's overgrown again in 3 weeks.

You and I have lived in and around that LA area. I worked many places in and around the entire area along sunset that burned, back in the day doing foundation and grading work. It was a PIA with the slopes on good lots... LOL

Then the political bent. Yeah the idiots in Sac are dems. The Feds play a HUGE part in this as well. The areas that burned are in the 40-45% non dem... but F them cause they are in that dem state. Unbelievable to me. I never asked anyone about ideology when assisting in relief stuff. Didn't care, they needed help.
 
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Unless standards are somehow different in California, fire hydrants are fed by a minimum 6" line; typically,
water mains that are looped through a neighborhood or around a large complex are required to be a minimum
of 8" diameter. "Dead end" lines are a minimum of 10" as well.
Off these mains come the 6" feeds for hydrants, which are typically spaced 250 feet apart (some jurisdictions
require less distance, some more) as well as "taps" for water service to residences, businesses and the like.

Such hydrant supplies, their spacing and their designs are such that they provide enough flow at a given minimum
pressure that's been determined in order to fight a fire of a given "hazard" - residential being considered a "light"
hazard (as per NFPA), for example.

What I'm saying here is that the whole system is intended for use fighting a single fire event - a house in the case of a
neighborhood for example, or a large structure in the case of a factory - not the whole damn world ablaze.
I have heard of sytems "cavitating" (running out of water) in which pumps trying to draw water from it actually cause
a suction (negative pressure) causing underground pipes to collapse.
I've only seen it a couple times, on isolated feed lines going to fire pumps - never a larger scale.
Such pumps don't care if their suction side goes negative, they'll keep trying to draw until they fail.

It is absolutely critical that a municipal water system be kept fully supplied with water, therefore - because in the end,
all such systems are never over-built, only built to a certain minimum set of rules (to curtail costs).
Stories of reservoirs being empty are truly frightening, for that means firefighting personnel go into hellish situations
not knowing that they may not have what they need to fight their way back out of them.
As many times as parts of California have been on fire, you'd hope they know a)eliminate the fuel for these fires if
possible and b)maximize efforts to be prepared to fight them when they occur.
It appears both are in short supply to this day - and honestly, there's no excuse for that out there.
 
The powers to be (LA mayor & Ca. Govn., now Fire Chief or board of supervisors etc. :blah: )
in charge are all in cover their own asses mode now
I hope they all get recalled & ousted, post haste
every last one that were in on the defunding/mismanagment of all the funds
& not doing the right thing for the constituents, safety, because of their DEI Hires BS
 
Yes, they are scrambling to cover their own jobs. A total failed administration for sure. Save a minnow and lose homes that is the question. What were they thinking. What a sad day for those people. These issues have been addressed but nothing was done. Nero fiddled while Rome burned need, I say more.
 
Good news in my family. My nephew and his bride moved to SoCal and bought a house in Topanga Canyon, just North and West of Pacific Palisades. He got a job with Google and she's a Pharmacist in LA. They've been evacuated since the fires started. He just called me to tell me that their house survived, and they should be back home on Thursday.
 
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