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Been paying attention to the stock market again.....

Thing is whenever the average people get tips on buying hot stocks from some source, it’s likely already too late – old-worthless info. How does the ultra-wealthy make a killing in the markets? They have hedge fund guys buying and selling and hedger’s become millionaires off their client’s money. Computer generated buying/selling millions in a second. MO, the markets are for the mega-rich and they tank the markets. If they didn’t dump their stocks they wouldn’t take a sky-fall. For the rest of the average sorts, like me, the advice from their brokers when the market is going down the toilet is, to stay put, hang on, the market will recover. Can’t count how many times I’ve been given this advice. Meanwhile, what have the folks with the huge cash done? Lol nope, THEY haven’t done this.

If it isn’t this, it is “Lets take out that $30k in this stock or that portfolio and put it over in this one. It is lower risk, or tends to perform better in down cycles.” Great, that $30k I paid $45k for goes over ‘there’. Later on when the market swings back and my recovery looks nothing like THE recovery, my broker says “Well, remember your recovery is less since you were interested in moving that portfolio you had to reduce your risk.”

I get calls from my broker maybe half-dozen times a year. The gist is to ‘review my plan’ or to invite me to some dinner at a country club to listen to financial experts. I already have a plan we discussed four months ago and you are my expert. What I could have been called on is that portfolio I lost $15k in, say when it was down $5k, to move it? MO, the whole deal isn’t set for average schmucks. The people with big money are getting calls from their brokers all the time involving buying and selling…not to review their friggin ‘plan’ to see how long they have before it’s gone, or I love this, lets re-review your spending budget. Ahh NO. Focus on earning your fees to lower my losses and maybe increase the value of my fund. Just my overall perspective about this..
 
Thing is whenever the average people get tips on buying hot stocks from some source, it’s likely already too late – old-worthless info. How does the ultra-wealthy make a killing in the markets? They have hedge fund guys buying and selling and hedger’s become millionaires off their client’s money. Computer generated buying/selling millions in a second. MO, the markets are for the mega-rich and they tank the markets. If they didn’t dump their stocks they wouldn’t take a sky-fall. For the rest of the average sorts, like me, the advice from their brokers when the market is going down the toilet is, to stay put, hang on, the market will recover. Can’t count how many times I’ve been given this advice. Meanwhile, what have the folks with the huge cash done? Lol nope, THEY haven’t done this.

If it isn’t this, it is “Lets take out that $30k in this stock or that portfolio and put it over in this one. It is lower risk, or tends to perform better in down cycles.” Great, that $30k I paid $45k for goes over ‘there’. Later on when the market swings back and my recovery looks nothing like THE recovery, my broker says “Well, remember your recovery is less since you were interested in moving that portfolio you had to reduce your risk.”

I get calls from my broker maybe half-dozen times a year. The gist is to ‘review my plan’ or to invite me to some dinner at a country club to listen to financial experts. I already have a plan we discussed four months ago and you are my expert. What I could have been called on is that portfolio I lost $15k in, say when it was down $5k, to move it? MO, the whole deal isn’t set for average schmucks. The people with big money are getting calls from their brokers all the time involving buying and selling…not to review their friggin ‘plan’ to see how long they have before it’s gone, or I love this, lets re-review your spending budget. Ahh NO. Focus on earning your fees to lower my losses and maybe increase the value of my fund. Just my overall perspective about this..
I watched the oil market and probably should have stayed in that instead 'diversifying' lol. When I did that, I didn't do as good and as far as a broker goes, it didn't take me long to take over and manage my own account. I would have gone broke listening to that dirt bag. Imo, paper trading is always a good way to figure things out before diving in and of course having somewhat of an eddycation in how things work never hurts. My first clue about my broker was that the yellow 911 out in the parking lot was his. Geez....911's do NOT look good in yellow. Did they actually offer that color?? That thing was the only one I've ever seen in yellar...
 
I watched the oil market and probably should have stayed in that instead 'diversifying' lol. When I did that, I didn't do as good and as far as a broker goes, it didn't take me long to take over and manage my own account. I would have gone broke listening to that dirt bag. Imo, paper trading is always a good way to figure things out before diving in and of course having somewhat of an eddycation in how things work never hurts. My first clue about my broker was that the yellow 911 out in the parking lot was his. Geez....911's do NOT look good in yellow. Did they actually offer that color?? That thing was the only one I've ever seen in yellar...
Never hurts go with what you know, closest thing to legal insider trading. My ROI with my one truck LLC was always better than anything I could do in other markets. Those were merely a parking place for my surplus capital. I never tried to beat those markets, just went with index funds, most kept in my IRA accounts. I used to keep end of year market predictions published by the pundits in the financial publications for a reality check. I'd look at them a year later to see if they got it right, and they almost never did.
 
A lot of years ago I went to an Edward Jones seminar and well, they were the only ones that impressed me. A friend of mine uses them and he seems to have done pretty good....and I probably should have used them too.
They caught my attention as well, after reading about them in the Wall Street Journal in the 80s. They were low cost, low overhead, less hype than the mainstream, much stronger small town presence. I sent them a resume, but didn't get an interview because of lack of direct sales experience. Having worked as a trial lawyer didn't count.
 
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A lot of years ago I went to an Edward Jones seminar and well, they were the only ones that impressed me. A friend of mine uses them and he seems to have done pretty good....and I probably should have used them too.
They're a very conservative company, not that I don't play, but he has NEVER guided me down a dark road. He calls once a month and we bullshit about the worlds problems. He's a good man and friend.
 
I know a few people having Ed Jones, never heard much complaining about them. Eons ago I was pretty friendly with the broker I still have, so long ago he was with Dean Ritter then. We’d get together for a couple of drinks, a meal and shoot the breeze btw the biz stuff. Since then he has moved to one huge financial org to the next and went with him. He got higher up the chain so he’d want me to go to his office downtown to meet. End of any nice get togethers like they once were. Nah, I didn’t want to drive 45 minutes downtown, get caught in traffic jams, etc. before just doing a phone conference call. Then it was dealing with his ‘staff’ more of the time.

I’m complaining; but this is MY fault. Thing is, my wife has been with a small broker and her funds and mine don’t perform all that much different.
 

As i said there IS definitely money to be made but for the average joe sticking to an S&P 500 ETF is probably as good as it gets.
I really wish i had access to that kind of information (money printer) aswell.

Come to American and be a member of congress. You get to insider trade legally. It's the easiest way to become a multi millionaire. It's a slam dunk. And when you leave congress, you'll have an executive position waiting for you at a large corporation that you helped fleece Americans where you'll be paid millions more. Win win!
 
I know a few people having Ed Jones, never heard much complaining about them. Eons ago I was pretty friendly with the broker I still have, so long ago he was with Dean Ritter then. We’d get together for a couple of drinks, a meal and shoot the breeze btw the biz stuff. Since then he has moved to one huge financial org to the next and went with him. He got higher up the chain so he’d want me to go to his office downtown to meet. End of any nice get togethers like they once were. Nah, I didn’t want to drive 45 minutes downtown, get caught in traffic jams, etc. before just doing a phone conference call. Then it was dealing with his ‘staff’ more of the time.

I’m complaining; but this is MY fault. Thing is, my wife has been with a small broker and her funds and mine don’t perform all that much different.
It can be tough to give up early connections, even if advantageous. I had a really dicey situation in the early 80s, when my mother, who was an insurance agent, started dabbling in financial planning. Major, toxic discontent when I finally took my own road after graduating from law school, and gaining new insights in the process. She held it against me until the end, couldn't stand giving up control of that piece of my life.
 
Come to American and be a member of congress. You get to insider trade legally. It's the easiest way to become a multi millionaire. It's a slam dunk. And when you leave congress, you'll have an executive position waiting for you at a large corporation that you helped fleece Americans where you'll be paid millions more. Win win!
Well said!! And very true!!
 
Come to American and be a member of congress. You get to insider trade legally. It's the easiest way to become a multi millionaire. It's a slam dunk. And when you leave congress, you'll have an executive position waiting for you at a large corporation that you helped fleece Americans where you'll be paid millions more. Win win!
You forget to mention the premium health insurance.
 
I know a few people having Ed Jones, never heard much complaining about them. Eons ago I was pretty friendly with the broker I still have, so long ago he was with Dean Ritter then. We’d get together for a couple of drinks, a meal and shoot the breeze btw the biz stuff. Since then he has moved to one huge financial org to the next and went with him. He got higher up the chain so he’d want me to go to his office downtown to meet. End of any nice get togethers like they once were. Nah, I didn’t want to drive 45 minutes downtown, get caught in traffic jams, etc. before just doing a phone conference call. Then it was dealing with his ‘staff’ more of the time.

I’m complaining; but this is MY fault. Thing is, my wife has been with a small broker and her funds and mine don’t perform all that much different.
My first broker was a knock on my door meeting. He got me involved in a deal he made money talking people into and the investment went bust. I lost 8 thousands. It took months to get my money back, which few did. It was a lesson that I NEVER forget. He lost his license and did time. They live among us.
 
It can be tough to give up early connections, even if advantageous. I had a really dicey situation in the early 80s, when my mother, who was an insurance agent, started dabbling in financial planning. Major, toxic discontent when I finally took my own road after graduating from law school, and gaining new insights in the process. She held it against me until the end, couldn't stand giving up control of that piece of my life.
My sister is like that....holds a grudge for the rest of her life. She's a major control freak....did I mention she's a major control freak and has a horrible temper to go with it? She tried to tell me how to raise my kids (she never had any thank God lol) because she took child psychology in school. Told her that I probably read the same books she did but I don't have the framed piece of paper hanging on my wall saying I did....oh man, talk about going to the moon. Her name should have been 'Hair Trigger'. She used to live down the street from and there was a time when she would drive by and not wave because she was mad at me. I live on a road that only has one way in and out (I can get out through the easement though :D) and she lived almost to the end. There were times when I'd be out front when she was driving by and I'd wave and she would just scowl and keep driving. She once told my youngest daughter that she never dreamed we'd be so far apart from each other in our later years. Told my daughter what did she expect with the way she is lol.
 
My first broker was a knock on my door meeting. He got me involved in a deal he made money talking people into and the investment went bust. I lost 8 thousands. It took months to get my money back, which few did. It was a lesson that I NEVER forget. He lost his license and did time. They live among us.
What kind of a scam was he pushing?
 
She held it against me
That’s the thing I’ve had a problem with; I’ve had the habit of being too trusting and loyal at my loss. Bad trait I’m glad I didn’t pass along to my offspring. A guy I worked with at an ins company (late ‘70’s) started his independent agency and of course, talked me into to going with him. Had him for over 15 years. My wife got to not liking him as he would be condescending – he seemed to have a problem with females. When SHE called him, he would call ME back. I said Jim, my wife called you, not me. She is the person in charge with the financials by my choice. Later after starting my biz, one year the liability premium shot up some 4-grand. Nothing he could do, that’s just the market. I never had one claim. I needed that kick in the *** to contact another agent I had worked with. Hmm, NO problem finding that coverage for four-grand LESS.

I yanked my biz coverages away and soon after, all the homeowner/vehicle stuff, after one more chat my wife had with him pissing her off. Well, he screwed up the coverage on one of our vehicles, meaning way under-insured and that lazy-*** tried to blame it on us. A bit longer story yet, but told him we’re done. Lol and HE got all pissy about it liked I owed him something.
 
They live among us.
Glad you got your money back. Did you threaten to break his legs or beat him with a phone book? I knew a guy, friend of an in-law, owning a bunch of shoe stores. Did very well, millionaire a few times over. Since he also sold special footwear (medical scripted/fitted something like this) he scammed Medicare out of a ton of money spending 15 months in prison. Thing is – he’s still a millionaire.
 
Come to American and be a member of congress. You get to insider trade legally. It's the easiest way to become a multi millionaire. It's a slam dunk. And when you leave congress, you'll have an executive position waiting for you at a large corporation that you helped fleece Americans where you'll be paid millions more. Win win!

Well, sign me up! :D
 
That’s the thing I’ve had a problem with; I’ve had the habit of being too trusting and loyal at my loss. Bad trait I’m glad I didn’t pass along to my offspring. A guy I worked with at an ins company (late ‘70’s) started his independent agency and of course, talked me into to going with him. Had him for over 15 years. My wife got to not liking him as he would be condescending – he seemed to have a problem with females. When SHE called him, he would call ME back. I said Jim, my wife called you, not me. She is the person in charge with the financials by my choice. Later after starting my biz, one year the liability premium shot up some 4-grand. Nothing he could do, that’s just the market. I never had one claim. I needed that kick in the *** to contact another agent I had worked with. Hmm, NO problem finding that coverage for four-grand LESS.

I yanked my biz coverages away and soon after, all the homeowner/vehicle stuff, after one more chat my wife had with him pissing her off. Well, he screwed up the coverage on one of our vehicles, meaning way under-insured and that lazy-*** tried to blame it on us. A bit longer story yet, but told him we’re done. Lol and HE got all pissy about it liked I owed him something.
Had a 'good' ins agent for my home and cars for a LOT of years. Met him when I was around 12 or 13 when I went with my dad to do some business. His 'office' was under the escalator at the local Sears store lol. Not sure if it was because he was a newbie or if they were breaking into the area but anyways, he ended up in a fairly nice office building years later and when I got established better (better driving record for one) I used him until he retired. We would visit once in a while but never went out to lunch etc. Did some welding on his travel trailer and a couple of other things. Anyways, ended up doing business with his business partner until he died and that's where things went downhill. Left that 'team' and went with another agent but stayed with Allstate until they got too expensive.
 
Met him when I was around 12 or 13 when I went with my dad to do some business.
Others may have different opinions, but going to work for friends, hiring relatives, either hasn’t worked well for me and some I’ve talked to about it. Off the subject, my fault here, but your post reminded me of this. One of the WORST moves I made (I’ve posted about it a few times) was going to work with a guy that I was friends with, later he became president of the company becoming an evil SOB (or I just didn’t recognize it earlier). The separation was fuuuug-ly. Same deal when with that company, before things went rancid, talking a once buddy of mine to come work with me. We had been close buds in college, like brothers. As it went, his screw ups leading to his demise, he thought was my doing. Longer story. Got to hating me. Few years later, made an attempt to get back together to revisit what had happened hoping to set things straight. Nope, shut his front door in my face.

Swore I’d never hire anyone being a friend or relative and would never advise anyone to do so..
 
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