Chevy halts production of the Volt.

[tpodwdog]

its simple guys.....who runs this planet ? OIL and PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES
do you think for one minute that the oil companies are going to even permit this joke of a car anyway to succeed??? the answer is NO. this car is in no way economical to the end user anyway. the technology is there. TRUST ME. if they wanted to , they could make a car run on the most abundent stuff on earth and they have....ITS CALLED WATER. water is made of HYDROGEN (highly explosive)...and OXYGEN..(also highly explosive). same with the pharmaceutical companies...they have a cure for cancer...they have to..THEY PUT A MAN ON THE MOON AND SEND THINGS TO CIRCLE DISTANT PLANETS .... YOURE TELLING ME THAT THERES NO CURE FOR CANCER,,,,THERE IS,,,trust me , there is...... BIG BIZZ RUNS THIS PLANET AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LAY DOWN FOR ANYONE!

as long as we continue to pay these prices...they will continue to rise. do you wanna do something about these gas prices??? i have an idea but to get 600 million people to do it all at the same time is IMPOSSIBLE...its easy...hit 'em where it hurts. Just have everyone that uses fuel to simply not buy it for one month....thats all... stay home from work....dont go anywhere. they will get the message and youll see the prices fall.!

its simple economics called SUPPLY AND DEMAND..........................whoa bundy!

 

[Budnicks]

It's just a supply & demand thing with the Volt, they have been getting bad press from the accountants/bean counters, automotive experts & politicians on both sides of the isle, liberals included, the car buying free market doesn't want them, so they aren't selling, that's one of the reasons why they were being govt. subsidized in the 1st place, to try to stimulate & inform/sway the market {remember the govt. & the U.S. tax payers has a big stake in G.M. now after the auto industry related union & automotive industry bail outs}, you can't force the people to buy a product they don't like or want, well at least in a free market society anyway, If the product was so great, it would sell itself, regardless of any political affiliations, people would flock to dealerships to buy if it made common sense or was worthwhile, it needs to stand on it's own merits, not any advertising gimmicks or govt. pressure, that's how the free market works... Remember in the mid to late 70's, when Toyota, Datsun & Honda were first selling little compact cars here, the car buying public hated them at first, then after some minor changes, all of a sudden, they couldn't hardly keep them in stock, they almost sold themselves, because they were offered as an inexpensive, affordable, well designed, alternative to the big gas guzzlers of the time, not something being forced upon the car buying public, people seem to not like to be told "you have to do this, or else" type thing... If I remember correctly, the G.M. EV-1 was a "lease only" vehicle here in California, at least at all the G.M. dealerships I was associated with {I worked for a large dealership group for over 20+ years, over & including that time period}, no-one owned them except G.M. Corp. & "they choose not to renew any of the leases or approve any after lease expired purchases", mainly because of a large quantity of warranty claims, battery related problems, brake regeneration issues, the required charging stations you needed to adapt to your homes current & other typical minor new car issues, they became a burden on G.M. & many dealerships, it's a cost & effects of doing business with a new technology, not the big oil companies killing the project, like some will have you believe, that's just more emotional B.S, if that was true the Toyota Prius would have died many years ago....

 

[Cranky]

its simple guys.....who runs this planet ? OIL and PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES
do you think for one minute that the oil companies are going to even permit this joke of a car anyway to succeed??? the answer is NO. this car is in no way economical to the end user anyway. the technology is there. TRUST ME. if they wanted to , they could make a car run on the most abundent stuff on earth and they have....ITS CALLED WATER. water is made of HYDROGEN (highly explosive)...and OXYGEN..(also highly explosive). same with the pharmaceutical companies...they have a cure for cancer...they have to..THEY PUT A MAN ON THE MOON AND SEND THINGS TO CIRCLE DISTANT PLANETS .... YOURE TELLING ME THAT THERES NO CURE FOR CANCER,,,,THERE IS,,,trust me , there is...... BIG BIZZ RUNS THIS PLANET AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LAY DOWN FOR ANYONE!

as long as we continue to pay these prices...they will continue to rise. do you wanna do something about these gas prices??? i have an idea but to get 600 million people to do it all at the same time is IMPOSSIBLE...its easy...hit 'em where it hurts. Just have everyone that uses fuel to simply not buy it for one month....thats all... stay home from work....dont go anywhere. they will get the message and youll see the prices fall.!

its simple economics called SUPPLY AND DEMAND..........................whoa bundy!

Can you afford to stay home from work for a month? I also think it's funny (actually I don't) when people get all up in arms when Exxon makes huge profits but no one says anything when the big pharma makes even larger profits. People just see the dollar amount but no one bothers to look at the percentages they make on each dollar spent. I remember several years ago Exxon made 10% and one of the big pharms made 60%! Also, did you know at one time ChinaMart was #1 on the Forbes 500. Yup, they actually topped Exxon one year. At least Exxon offers a decent benefits package. Can't say that about ChinaMart. So, lets stop using all oil products for that one month....that includes the trucking industry too and totally shut down America. That's a real good solution.

 

[tpodwdog]

Can you afford to stay home from work for a month? I also think it's funny (actually I don't) when people get all up in arms when Exxon makes huge profits but no one says anything when the big pharma makes even larger profits. People just see the dollar amount but no one bothers to look at the percentages they make on each dollar spent. I remember several years ago Exxon made 10% and one of the big pharms made 60%! Also, did you know at one time ChinaMart was #1 on the Forbes 500. Yup, they actually topped Exxon one year. At least Exxon offers a decent benefits package. Can't say that about ChinaMart. So, lets stop using all oil products for that one month....that includes the trucking industry too and totally shut down America. That's a real good solution.

yo....CRANKY......if everyone stays home for a month....then your bosses will too,,,,and their bosses,,,,and their bosses.....so to answer your question...YES...I CAN AFFORD TO STAY HOME FOR A MONTH!

I SAID.."GETTING 600 MILLION PEOPLE. to do this was impossible.....is it sinkin in????

 

[Budnicks]

To add to that I don't think most people have any idea how much of our life is dependent on the petroleum industries, health care products all kind of lubricants, oils, greases, fluids, paints, Lexans, plastic in many many forms, many synthetics, vinyl, many types of clothing, shoes especially sneakers, rubber, tires, wiper blade, many electronics, steal products, home heating, propane & butane production, electric power plants are aided or fueled many types of petroleum based products, transportation in all aspects, trucking, trains, car planes, the list goes on & on... It's not just gasoline & diesel in cars & pick-ups...

 

[Cranky]

yo....CRANKY......if everyone stays home for a month....then your bosses will too,,,,and their bosses,,,,and their bosses.....so to answer your question...YES...I CAN AFFORD TO STAY HOME FOR A MONTH!

I SAID.."GETTING 600 MILLION PEOPLE. to do this was impossible.....is it sinkin in????

I guess you didn't read between the lines on my post. Ok, I say it more plainly. Why would you want to shut down America? Besides that, there's only a little over 300 mil in the states.

 

[383MovingViolation]

GOOD NEWS......The Volt and Obama are both junk. No GM cars for me....ever!!!

 

[Donny]

GM makes some nice stuff, hate their new steering wheels though, no place to grab onto and put your hands through the wheel. Also, I love oil. I depend on it, and, as long as it's profitable for the companies to go get it, so be it! Let gas go up, as long as our wages go up, and we pay the same proportion to income (and dollar value) who in hell cares? Also, we're not running out of oil, the fantasy called Peak Oil was proven a fallacy when the BP oil rig blew in the gulf 2 yrs ago, the oil was coming out super fast, and, many say was being produced in the earth as it was coming out!

 

[Cranky]

High oil prices hurt the poor, the young who are just starting out and people who are on a fixed income and there are many that are on a fixed income....

 

[Donny]

That is another entire issue that is more dear to me than this oil. The poor and less upward mobile people. Its not their faults they are poor and down under, no way. I spent a whole semester studying this sociological issue, and try to find the yapping politicians talk about the common good, you won't find them utter such things anymore, the last one was Eisenhower.

 

[Moparsmitty]

Ya know, I don't really have a problem with hybrids, electrics or whatever. I just think that the need to stand on their own without all the government subsidies. In fact if somebody wants to bring a Tesla roadster by, I would love to take it out for a spin. If they become a reasonable economic alternative to regular gas powered cars, then they will sell without all the bribery. The fact is that they are way overpriced for what you get. It's like they want all of their R&D money right now. Just my 2cents.

 

[ga66mopar]

Currently it cost me about $40 a week to drive to work. I drive a car with a 300 hp v8 that gets about 20 mpg. If I bought a crappy little car that got 40 mpg I would save about $20 per week (not counting the payment). I had rather pay an extra $20 per week and drive in a comfortable car with plenty of power. They can keep their save the planet car. Who wants to buy a crappy GM car anyway?

 

['67Satellite]

I liked some of you guys more, before reading your opinions on the Chevy 'Dolt'.

I'll never own one, or probably anything like it.

This conversation made me think of the Chrysler turbine, and how unfortunate it was that that never took off. I'd love to drive a turbine engine car! Of course, i'll never own one of them either.

 

[Endangered Species]

Does anyone think one of the reasons gas prices are so high is the fact that the EPA mandates different fuels for different parts of the country along with different times of the year?
How about E-85? yha that's real economic.... you lose 5-6 MPG.

How about the fact that this country is loaded with oil and we can only drill for a fraction of it.
Remember 4 years ago when natural gas was through the roof and a year later they discovered the Marcellus Shale basin here in Western Pa. and bang now natural gas is dirt-cheap again.

Can anyone explain to me why my old 1985 Plymouth Horizon got 35 MPG and the Chevy Volt gets 36 MPG and cost more that 4 times more money. Oh yha the EPA..... never mind.

How much does it cost to charge one of these things?

Let's do some math - VOLT -12000 miles a year / 37MPG = 324 gallons of fuel X $3.79 = $1229.00 a year total annual fuel cost.

Wife’s 2001 Suburban - 12000 miles a year / 11 MPG = 1090 gallons of fuel X $3.79 = $4134.00 a year total annual fuel cost.

$4134.00 - $1229.00 = $2905 difference.

Volt Cost $40,000 / $2905 = 13.76 years to pay for the car.

YHAAAA that makes a lot of freakin sense! Stupid AZZZ Liberals!

Listing to too much talk radio…I wish more people were listing. They’re the only one’s talking about the insanity coming from the White House.
LISTEN to what this guy is saying.... LISTEN to his words. He is a Marxist

4 more years of this regime and we won’t recognize this country.


Sorry I didn’t mean to hold back so much. LOL.

 

[Dennis H]

Volt. Hybrid. Tax-Payer subsidized. Coal powered generators fuel half of our economy.

 

[Donny]

Yeah, good point about the Horizon's getting 35 mpg! I remember them all too well! Just remember the car was light, had minimal safety features, 13 inch tires, 90 hp engine, how it and other cars of the late 70s early 80s got 30+ mpg on a regular basis I don't know.

The Chrysler Turbine car never was mass-produced, and Chrysler never intended to do so with it. No one could buy one, they were rolling prototypes of new technology, GM had their EV-1, now, the Volt is available for everyone to buy.

Wow, can't believe just how shallow the memory is of many American's when it comes to our recent history! It was Bush that started the Auto bailouts, Obama just was the guy in charge when the automotive companies started to pay the loans back. If the companies failed, well, who knows what would have been the outcome? As for talk radio; been there done that, you are reading words from a former Ditto head, EIB subscriber, etc. But, life and experiences in life have a way of changing a person, and, that blundering dildo head just has no place in my life anymore, as he's full of ****.

And the math of 13+ years to pay for the volt, wow, no factoring in costs to operate your old Suburban? Things wear out. Not a complete picture. And, the Volt gets (in the best manner to figure) 95 mpg, not 37mpg as you indicated. Perhaps you were looking at the Cruze's numbers? If we're going to throw 'facts' around as truth, at least be honest with yourself and convey honest facts. Using your own formulae the Volt will cost $478.00 a year in gasoline, that's a hard number to shake a stick at no matter how myopic one's vision is.

 

[WP29440SE]

it seems there is already a following of people that have gone green with these things, but in the world today, people are still willing to pay 4 or 5 bucks a gallon especially when they are getting 30 or 40 miles a gallon. the auto industry really dictates what people drive by what they offer. if a company like gm were to scrap all their regular combustion engines for electric hybrids, they would go under as long as the regular consumer can still purchase a gas powered vehical. the climate is still not favorable for these cars , and as long as recalls and other issues still arise with them, people will remain to be scared of them. the regular combustion engine is tried and true, and i think the majority car owners will continue to rely on them, rather than the hybrid cars. unless gas reaches 8 or 10 bucks a gallon, people will continue to shy away from them. it is so much easier to pay and pump and continue on ,rather than have to plug in and charge up, and worry about whether or not they will be able plug in somewhere.
these hybrid electric crap cars are a good idea BUT these things have been around since the 1920s. they have never caught on and the price tag is through the roof. the average person that is looking at a new car is going to want to spend 15k on a good mileage A to B car. people just dont want to spend 40-50k on car that they have to deal with all the charging maintenance and other crap that goes along with them. people want to slide into the nearest conoco , fill up. and be on their way. or so it seems to me.....

 

[ga66mopar]

It always amazes me when people support politicians that would love nothing more then to completely ban something they enjoy. Most radical, left-wing, environmental wacko's would love nothing more then to crush every mopar still on the road and in the junkyards. I mean how do these people justify in their head voting for people that are against what they do as a hobby. I don't support everything the republicans do but I don't see them trying to destory the very hobby I enjoy. obama is an enemy to people that enjoy old cars. I love old mopars and most other old cars and I will fight against the left-wing, environmental wacko's to the last breath. That includes being against using my tax dollars to push the agenda of these crazy wacko's which is really what the volt is about and why it has failed.

 

[Hobbles]

A friend of mine has a Volt.

I have ridden in it a few times.

The car will cruise 70 with no problem.


And the mileage is awesome.

The car is smooth as can be too.

If i could afford one, I would but it.

The fuel you will save alone is worth it.

He just takes what he used to spend on gas and puts it toward the car payment.

Like he told me, It doesnt cover all the payment, But when the vehicle is paid off, He will save quite a bit of money over the period of a year.

I work about a mile from where i live. If i had that, I would NEVER but gas again!

Think about that. No gas to buy to go to work..............EVER!

That is a hell of a savings i think.

And because i live in a small town, I could drive to work AND all over town and never buy gas.

How can you call that a bad thing?

We HAVE to break out dependency on foreign oil.

As long as we buy their oil, We are funding terrorist projects.

So the only way to hurt them is in their pockets.

So electric cars is the way to go IMO.

 

[Pops1967GTX]

That is another entire issue that is more dear to me than this oil. The poor and less upward mobile people. Its not their faults they are poor and down under, no way. I spent a whole semester studying this sociological issue, and try to find the yapping politicians talk about the common good, you won't find them utter such things anymore, the last one was Eisenhower.

Wait ...not their fault thats a good question??... while some poor are not to blame for their poverty..
FACT::the typical "poor" household had a car & air conditioning. It had one or more color TVs, cable or satellite service and a DVD player. If there were children, it had a game system, such as Xbox or PlayStation. Think!!!!! understand!!!! You are making it comfortable to be Poor!!!
Quote from Benijamin Franklin

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer."Franklin.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.