furyfrank
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What alot of people don't realize about them is when alot of them are around and everybody plugs them in to recharge how is the electric grid going to do ??
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440roadrunner
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You, sir, have just nailed one of the top 10 problems with electric cars.
Some of the others are the entire "ashes to ashes, dust to dust", end -to- end problem with BATTERIES.
One has to wonder what the entire environmental cost of a set of batteries for a Volt or Pre -*** really is, multiplied by the next 20 years, and how many of the damn things have been sold.
AND, bein' me, ya can't afford a new car, so ya go out and by a 2-6 year old Pree ***, figuratively speaking. NOW the batteries are "half" what they once were, so you
Get up at oh dark thirty,
You need heat, lights, radio, defroster
You need extra power because it TAKES extra power to push that 8" of snow under the wheels
and with your half assed wore out battery pack, one has ta wonder, just HOW far that golf cart is gonna get?
Some of the others are the entire "ashes to ashes, dust to dust", end -to- end problem with BATTERIES.
One has to wonder what the entire environmental cost of a set of batteries for a Volt or Pre -*** really is, multiplied by the next 20 years, and how many of the damn things have been sold.
AND, bein' me, ya can't afford a new car, so ya go out and by a 2-6 year old Pree ***, figuratively speaking. NOW the batteries are "half" what they once were, so you
Get up at oh dark thirty,
You need heat, lights, radio, defroster
You need extra power because it TAKES extra power to push that 8" of snow under the wheels
and with your half assed wore out battery pack, one has ta wonder, just HOW far that golf cart is gonna get?
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Wishful thinking, worshipping the sun god for the electric car... Technology is not ready....The US needs to get with the rest of the world and embrace the compact diesel car for fuel mileage...VW in the late 70's had a great mpg near 50 . Where are the American automakers....If more of the American public would get their heads out of the sand,and look at the real issues instead of false news ...Federal regulation on cars....CAFE standards.... My 2 cents from a diesel mechanic....
fuely62
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I think it's "Big Money", (the oil co's) , and the tree huggers shuving all the regulations down our throats.
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Electric cars, I'll also add... There is the disposal of the highly toxic batteries cells, also it's very expensive to disposes of them, cost cost cost they aren't really financially responsible to own, in the long run IMHO, let alone the replacement of the battery cells extremely high costs & not even that they aren't even close to being environmental friendly either, especially when thay are disposed of & become more un-needed toxic "JUNK" {other than exhaust emissions, but you still need to fuel the generators at the power companies too, with much more fuel demands, for all the electric cars plug in everywhere demands & loads at a time of day that can't handle what they have now, adding extra taxing burden on an electrical load on an electrical grid, that has too many supply & demand problems already, especially in mid-winter & mid-summer}, where are the green &/or union activist on those many issues too...
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goldfish65
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From what I understand, just the sum total of what it takes to build a new car adds up to a bigger impact on the environment than keeping a vehicle (even an inefficient one) on the road. Then when you add batteries into the equasion, buying a new electric car is worse still...
bigredbird
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They're workin' on it... some pretty interesting reclamation methods explained here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/business/energy-environment/fancy-batteries-in-electric-cars-pose-recycling-challenges.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/31/business/energy-environment/fancy-batteries-in-electric-cars-pose-recycling-challenges.html
furyfrank
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what about the power grid ? anyone thought about it .
jessipup
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What about it?
Population growth will easily out demand E-cars by a hundred fold.
And just think about all of the free wind electricity we could produce from Rush Limbaugh. Let alone the house of reps, the senate and the state governers mansions.
And think about all of those jobs we will create drilling for oil and digging coal.
Population growth will easily out demand E-cars by a hundred fold.
And just think about all of the free wind electricity we could produce from Rush Limbaugh. Let alone the house of reps, the senate and the state governers mansions.
And think about all of those jobs we will create drilling for oil and digging coal.
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LOL..
For sure oil power is the only thing that makes sense right?
Wow is all I can say.
Not like oil ever had an impact on the environment or human health for that matter and coal.. well who the hell needs a landscape or drinking water
The "grid" is the issue and is why some cities have blackouts ...LOL when there is actually plenty of electricty to go around. Some states produce way more than they can use but the grid wont let them sell it to a state or city in need.
The "grid" needs to be over hauled and improved but as long as certain powers that be can keep bilking the GP for millions... it wont happen. The car companies are in bed with the oil companies. The electric car could be so much better than it currently ( no pun intended) is but it isnt for one reason and one reason only. The VOlt? no reason it needs to be unaffordable to the masses.. but if you keep it just our of reach then you can keep bilking people and pissing down their back and telling them its rain.
Improving the grid would add jobs but it also takes money and no one wants to foot that bill. Improving the grid would open up a whole new line of commerce and jobs.
There is a solution to the issues but there is more money is selling oil. Simple as that.
90 miles would eliminate 75% of gas powered commuter cars if the car was affordable. Then wtf would the oil companies do to get our money and lead us around by a nose ring like they do now? But why make the car affordable when your pocketing money from the oil companies to keep using their product
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You know when telephone companies wanted to compete for bandwith they added fiber optic cable to a system that didnt have it.. where there is a will there is a way
For sure oil power is the only thing that makes sense right?
Wow is all I can say.
Not like oil ever had an impact on the environment or human health for that matter and coal.. well who the hell needs a landscape or drinking water
The "grid" is the issue and is why some cities have blackouts ...LOL when there is actually plenty of electricty to go around. Some states produce way more than they can use but the grid wont let them sell it to a state or city in need.
The "grid" needs to be over hauled and improved but as long as certain powers that be can keep bilking the GP for millions... it wont happen. The car companies are in bed with the oil companies. The electric car could be so much better than it currently ( no pun intended) is but it isnt for one reason and one reason only. The VOlt? no reason it needs to be unaffordable to the masses.. but if you keep it just our of reach then you can keep bilking people and pissing down their back and telling them its rain.
Improving the grid would add jobs but it also takes money and no one wants to foot that bill. Improving the grid would open up a whole new line of commerce and jobs.
There is a solution to the issues but there is more money is selling oil. Simple as that.
90 miles would eliminate 75% of gas powered commuter cars if the car was affordable. Then wtf would the oil companies do to get our money and lead us around by a nose ring like they do now? But why make the car affordable when your pocketing money from the oil companies to keep using their product
my typing and spelling suck.. disclaimer
You know when telephone companies wanted to compete for bandwith they added fiber optic cable to a system that didnt have it.. where there is a will there is a way
Moparsmitty
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Remember the Chevy Luv pickups that had the little Isuzu diesel four bangers in them. These things were incredible. The local chicken farm has two of them. They both are over 400,000 miles and have never been rebuilt. They are over 35 years old and still run just fine. They get about 50 MPG. Why can't you buy a small diesel pickup like one of these new? You know why, don't you. They don't burn enough fuel and they last too long.
Sixpack70
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The hippies screwed diesel for a while. My 6.4 diesel gets 14mpg after the engine is broken in. If I deleted the diesel particulate filter i could probably hit high teens. If I remove the filter I can get a ticket for emissions equipment removal, yet I burn more diesel to go a mile? Makes sense right? Burn more fuel to keep the air cleaner...
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Diesels. Yep.
I borrowed my brother's '01 Dodge with the cummins engine a couple of weeks ago. 24mpg. I was quite impressed
Here's a British car review for the new Chrysler 300C. Over there, the only engine is a 3 litre diesel that still gives a 7.5 0-60 time, and they manage to complain that it gets only 40 mpg.
http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/chrysler/300/saloon/review
I don't think the electrical grid will be a huge problem for awhile, if people plug in overnight when other demands are lower.
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We keep upping the transmitted electricity, currently its around 22k volts on main transmission lines, the electric utilities have to keep upping it to meet demand, whereas the lines are not designed for this load.
shag766
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good point. about 3 years ago i was approached by a company from vancouver to put solar panels on my commercial building, 15000 sq ft. and beside this i have a 2 ac comm lot. it was on their dime and i would get a % of the profit from the sale of the hydro to the grid. as the talks progressed they brought up the interesting point.
the building is in a commercial section of town with other big and small factories around. they were thinking down the road when electric cars become more popular of setting up a battery charging station for employees in the neighbor hood. power supplied by the panels on the roof of my building and i had the vacant lot already. at that point it was should i or shouldn't i. a couple of things botched the deal. 1-who is responsible for the roof repairs if and when needed. 2- probably the important one is i am ready to completely retire and didn't need another project on my plate.:eusa_think:
Mike Z
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Good Luck Getting It Fixed. When A Volt Pulls Into Our Dealer We Run Hoping Not To Have To Work On It.
Good Luck Getting Or Affording The Modules And Batterys In The Future.
Technology Has Gone Way Too Far.
Not Practicle.
Just My 2 Cents.
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Good Luck Getting Or Affording The Modules And Batterys In The Future.
Technology Has Gone Way Too Far.
Not Practicle.
Just My 2 Cents.
Mike Z.
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Remember, a bit over a hundred years ago they said that new fangled thing would never replace a horse.
440roadrunner
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All this hybrid "synergy" stuff ain't new, either.
The Woods Gas-Electric car......................
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The Owen - Entz hybrid..............................
This thing was truely unique. The drive motor and generator armature were on the same shaft, hooked to the drive shaft. There was NO direct mechanical connection to the engine. The generator fields were fastened to the flywheel, and turned around the outside of the generator armature
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