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going to com pare damon kuhn Diamondback carbs to C & B Edelbrock 800 Carbs

I will repeat this one more time- I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE SET UP FOR OR WHAT YOUR ENGINE SPECS ARE. This makes it near impossible to tell you definitively what to do. I have alot of info on the white paper mentioned above as well as three or four more carb papers at the same site. Some basic stuff I see wrong tho- one is the perception that the doors are opening too slow- if you are launching at 2800, the doors will not be open and if they open too fast, that will cause a bog not the other way around. There is no accelerator pump shot on the secondaries, therefore if they open too fast, you WILL go lean. The last thing you want to do is start with all the weights out. The quicker the door opens without a bog, the better the 60', but I would start with one screw in each side.( some people completely remove the doors and have no ill effects on launch-I do NOT recommend this unless it is a large high revving engine- if you do not move enough air, you risk an extreme lean spike this way, and the doors also help to form the venturi and affect the midrange curve) Also the jetting and rods you put in are likely too rich ( don't even know CID on yours so this is an educated guess). Just to put things to bed one last time I hope, there are numerous internal mods ( these have to do with internal circuits and calibration) -I am not going to reveal info on that, but there are over 70 possible mods on the auto carbs and 74 on the ones for manual. Many are to help the curve, but some that apply to both are specifically to deal with bogging and high end lean out (same mods affect both)This is one of the primary reasons I build them car specific and the main reason trying to get a used set calibrated can be difficult......all that said, the carbs will tune well enough not to bog, I just don't know how well they will do compared to a proper set (could be the right set for yours, I just don't know) Like I said before , most are designed for stock jetting- if you are too rich or too heavy on the springs what happens is there is nothing left to add when you launch (load) the engine. If you are to light on the springs, they will never open- the carb paper explains how to test those so I won't repeat it here. I would go back to 7147 rods at a minimum and I will guess it may want blue springs ( PLEASE READ THE PAPER AND CHECK THEM) you want the metering rods lean at staging and immediately to rich on launch- if they do not do this, it will bog and usually this is the reason when they do. If you did not crank the pressure up, this could also cause it. the floats should be set at .380" , not the stock setting. Normally, the launch is covered by the primaries well past the bogging area, so I would concentrate tuning efforts there to start with. Also, the mixture screws and idle speed setting are critical, ESPECIALLY the speed setting- if the primaries are too far open, it WILL bog- how much of the transfer slot is exposed? How many turns out are the mixture screws? These settings are also major clues to what is going on. How big is the engine, what's the cam specs, how hard are you turning it?
 
I see racers fighting bogs, hesitations, popping and flat spots at about every NSS race we go to. Seems like the first thing most do is put the biggest jets they can get in along with the thinest rods. Save some aggravation....Read the white papers on Damon's site.
 
leavin now to race and giving the diamonback carbs another try.
Damon hemi is 581 ci with 11:1 with .737 lift rololer cam,mild duration. 4.30 gears on a 31 M/T
timing is at 32 degreees.
Wish me luck. got 1 pass to see if these work.
i took out the set screws. thankyou for your help so far Damon!
 
well, now this was completetly different from last time out and i get a complete dead spot off the hit. last time it was a bog and went a little farther out compared to today.
Whats weird id idle quality is fantastic.In the pits punching it out its super responsive when i whack the throttle in 1st gear and its under load.
i went .116 square on the metering jets, orange metering springs and 7047 metering rods.
took out set screws all together. after the dead spot it goes like a banchee.
i put on my carbs with sme exact rods, springs and jets and get a 1.33 60 foot on the bumper.
So I just don't get it.
same exact setup so now i'm hoping to get Damon to take these carbs to his shop and see if he can work them out for my combo. hope you can help me out here. I can supply my whole engine and rear combo.Thankyou for all your help so far.
 
How about we start here....you haven't answered but a few of my questions....I said DON'T take out the weights.....Did you do anything I asked, like check the throttle opening or springs? I REPEAT,,,THESE WILL NOT LIKELY JET LIKE YOUR OTHERS...but the basic checks I mentioned should fix it or come close- answers?
 
How about we start here....you haven't answered but a few of my questions....I said DON'T take out the weights.....Did you do anything I asked, like check the throttle opening or springs? I REPEAT,,,THESE WILL NOT LIKELY JET LIKE YOUR OTHERS...but the basic checks I mentioned should fix it or come close- answers?


i shift the car at 6800 rpm's.
i have the air mixture screws at 1-1/2 turns out.
idle is at 1350 rpms.
launch at 2800 footbraking.
when i started with these carbs it had 1 set screw in each side. set screws were in the front not rear hole.
I just cant figure out why the throttle response is excellant and idle quality is excellant as well.a rolling start the carbs perform awesome as well.
with the cubic inch hemi, i am really afraid to lean this motor out.
maybe i can just ship these to you and you can straighten them out for me.
I'd really like to get these carbs working flawlessly and put them on my other 2 cars as well.
i'm not giving up on them. i love a challenge!
just wish i had more runs to play with them on any given day. dont think race day is the right time for tuning.
btw my altronics A/F meter when downloaded shows 12.8 AF on both banks. I have dual O2 sensors.
 
Ok here's a test by a customer today- this was done at another facility by him and his engine builder- he was kind enough to provide the results and permit me to share- I would rather show this than our testing as it removes any question of us playing with the results. The test was run baseline with a very good set of carbs modified by a very good carb man and then switched to the Diamondback carbs...
this is the baseline:
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And DBE
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From what I see , there are one or two minor adjustments to be made and it will gain still more down low....
 
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