HELLCRATE at SEMA

[Richard Cranium]

Someone mentioned resale value......
Who cares ???? Many of us enthusiasts are on the high side of 50, who cares about what the car sells for after we are done with it? These cars are mere playthings anyway, not daily drivers. Why not build what you want?

Agreed, if you've got unlimited funds, creativity,knowledge and/or people who can do the work for you, then by all means, go for it. But you have to realize in advance that it's going to be a long term project and a major, major financial loss once the time comes to sell.

 

[Cranky]

The majority of my cars were used as daily drivers. I drove my 71 340 Cuda to work most days and did the same with the 66 Belvedere and a 70 383 Challenger was used as a road car.

And does a Hellcat Challenger/Charger really get 22mpg?

 

[747mopar]

Shitttttt probaly $10k+ at least

I'd buy one for that in a heartbeat!! Wonder if this will help bring down the cost of salvaged Hellcat motors?

 

[Car Nut]

I want the SRT Demon Supercharged 6.2L HEMI 840hp, why settle for 707hp.

 

[its-a-mario]

The majority of my cars were used as daily drivers. I drove my 71 340 Cuda to work most days and did the same with the 66 Belvedere and a 70 383 Challenger was used as a road car.

And does a Hellcat Challenger/Charger really get 22mpg?

Per EPA testing, it gets 22 mpg highway. Same testing says my 2017 Charger Scat Pack gets 15 local and 25 highway. I think I average around 12 in real world driving. Perhaps I'm a little heavy on the gas... As they say, "actual mileage may vary."

 

[oldbee]

Call ' Garage Squad ' , I can see it all now!

 

[1967coronet440]

Call ' Garage Squad ' , I can see it all now!

My wife even can tell them guys do bullshit work, turned it on the other night when they were doing a super bee and she says I hate these guys they don’t do good work

 

[super-bee_ski]

Hellcat:

 

[Kern Dog]

The supercharger does draw power to operate but while cruising at light throttle in 8th gear, the Auto cars use a 2.62 rear diff. It just purrs at 75. Yes, doing 55, people on ChallengerTalk.com have reported 22 mpg a few times. THIS is with a 4400 lb car. Slip this mill in a 68 B body that weighs 3700 with a 383 and you are still at least 600 lbs less than the new car. The issue of transmission gearing still exists though. That new 8 speed automatic is still space shuttle tech compared to the antique 3 speed TFs we still use. I see no way to mate the 8 speed to our B body cars until a stand-alone computer is offered. The physical size means floor cutting, patchwork and reinforcements but there is no way to get the trans to work without figuring out those pesky electronics!

 

[1967coronet440]

MPG in my 6.1 with NAG1 5spd

 

[Budnicks]

Cool engine & it has it's place for sure...
I'm just more of an old school engine guy,
I like the looks better, more mechanical looking...
It's just my preference, but I like the newer stuff too...
Just haven't gone that route "yet", not in an old car...

I have in my Dakota's & 4x4's, Jeeps

From what I've noticed read & seen
The modern trans size & the location of some stuff
will be tight if nothing else &/or will be an issue
in these old cars, that have a narrow side to side
& short top to bottom trans-tunnels or the cross-members too
Most all of the car shows I've seen that's some of the biggest issues
& the width of that Hemi & exhaust systems/headers etc. too...

But, If there's a will there's a way...
Depends on your fab skills & thinking outside the box,
it won't be a bolt in in anything old...

Some of these newer Resto-mods with modern running gear
are bringing as much & even in some cases even more
for the auction prices, it's all about the quality of the build...

Unless we are talking about an Org. Hemi or 6bbl #'s matching car
it'd be stupid to cut a rare car up, to do it, unless it's a basket case
or one of the many rust buckets...
But if it's your car do as you want...

I'm a day 2 guy, an old racer at heart
I've done the total restoration deal too,
I just prefer something a bit different,
not just like everyone else has...
that's really why I like Mopars to begin with...

If I wanted to make money on 100% OE restorations
"which I don't", but have done a few different brands & Mopars...
I'd do GM stuff, parts are far cheaper, for more plentiful
& a much larger market, customer base to begin with...

Like most of us know Mopar is a niche market, nit picken'
Vin Tag & Fender-tag readers galore, especially on OE restorations
{not that there's anything wrong with that either}
God forbid you have the wrong date code/casting mark,
let alone the wrong bolt somewhere or hubcap etc.
Marks GYC syndrome

don't take this the wrong way
I'm always the guy who says;
"build it how you want it, use what ever parts you deem necessary,
drive it like you stole it, enjoy it & who cares what others think"...
or
I'd tub it slam it & race it...
or
"Anyone can restore a car, bolt & unbolt use & replace OE parts,
it's not freaken' rocket science, but it takes a real man to cut one up"

disclaimer;
Don't you purist get all pissed, it's just a few sayings,
I'm not trying to insult the purists or the OE guys &
not everyone can do it right, even just the parts replacers...
It all takes different talents IMO...

 

[Habib]

Damn, this is beautiful. And no hole in hood.

 

[HT413]

10 second motor in a 4400 lb car = 9 second motor in my belvedere. Yeah it’s expensive, but dang

 

[moparnation74]

Cool engine & it has it's place for sure...
I'm just more of an old school engine guy,
I like the looks better, more mechanical looking...
It's just my preference, but I like the newer stuff too...
Just haven't gone that route "yet", not in an old car...

I have in my Dakota's & 4x4's, Jeeps

From what I've noticed read & seen
The modern trans size & the location of some stuff
will be tight if nothing else &/or will be an issue
in these old cars, that have a narrow side to side
& short top to bottom trans-tunnels or the cross-members too
Most all of the car shows I've seen that's some of the biggest issues
& the width of that Hemi & exhaust systems/headers etc. too...

But, If there's a will there's a way...
Depends on your fab skills & thinking outside the box,
it won't be a bolt in in anything old...

Some of these newer Resto-mods with modern running gear
are bringing as much & even in some cases even more
for the auction prices, it's all about the quality of the build...

Unless we are talking about an Org. Hemi or 6bbl #'s matching car
it'd be stupid to cut a rare car up, to do it, unless it's a basket case
or one of the many rust buckets...
But if it's your car do as you want...

I'm a day 2 guy, an old racer at heart
I've done the total restoration deal too,
I just prefer something a bit different,
not just like everyone else has...
that's really why I like Mopars to begin with...

If I wanted to make money on 100% OE restorations
"which I don't", but have done a few different brands & Mopars...
I'd do GM stuff, parts are far cheaper, for more plentiful
& a much larger market, customer base to begin with...

Like most of us know Mopar is a niche market, nit picken'
Vin Tag & Fender-tag readers galore, especially on OE restorations
{not that there's anything wrong with that either}
God forbid you have the wrong date code/casting mark,
let alone the wrong bolt somewhere or hubcap etc.
Marks GYC syndrome

don't take this the wrong way
I'm always the guy who says;
"build it how you want it, use what ever parts you deem necessary,
drive it like you stole it, enjoy it & who cares what others think"...
or
I'd tub it slam it & race it...
or
"Anyone can restore a car, bolt & unbolt use & replace OE parts,
it's not freaken' rocket science, but it takes a real man to cut one up"

disclaimer;
Don't you purist get all pissed, it's just a few sayings,
I'm not trying to insult the purists or the OE guys &
not everyone can do it right, even just the parts replacers...
It all takes different talents IMO...

Bart

Careful...I guess you have not ran into the Vette guys in the GM world....

You are correct in the GM world you have a much wider profit margin on building an OE type car.....

GYC is a part replacer, mainly reproduction parts...HE is NOT part of the "real OE" world of builders.....

Want to see a real man's build....mine is over in the restoration section.....

 

[MarPar]

Cool engine & it has it's place for sure...
I'm just more of an old school engine guy,
I like the looks better, more mechanical looking...
It's just my preference, but I like the newer stuff too...
Just haven't gone that route "yet", not in an old car...

I have in my Dakota's & 4x4's, Jeeps

From what I've noticed read & seen
The modern trans size & the location of some stuff
will be tight if nothing else &/or will be an issue
in these old cars, that have a narrow side to side
& short top to bottom trans-tunnels or the cross-members too
Most all of the car shows I've seen that's some of the biggest issues
& the width of that Hemi & exhaust systems/headers etc. too...

But, If there's a will there's a way...
Depends on your fab skills & thinking outside the box,
it won't be a bolt in in anything old...

Some of these newer Resto-mods with modern running gear
are bringing as much & even in some cases even more
for the auction prices, it's all about the quality of the build...

Unless we are talking about an Org. Hemi or 6bbl #'s matching car
it'd be stupid to cut a rare car up, to do it, unless it's a basket case
or one of the many rust buckets...
But if it's your car do as you want...

I'm a day 2 guy, an old racer at heart
I've done the total restoration deal too,
I just prefer something a bit different,
not just like everyone else has...
that's really why I like Mopars to begin with...

If I wanted to make money on 100% OE restorations
"which I don't", but have done a few different brands & Mopars...
I'd do GM stuff, parts are far cheaper, for more plentiful
& a much larger market, customer base to begin with...

Like most of us know Mopar is a niche market, nit picken'
Vin Tag & Fender-tag readers galore, especially on OE restorations
{not that there's anything wrong with that either}
God forbid you have the wrong date code/casting mark,
let alone the wrong bolt somewhere or hubcap etc.
Marks GYC syndrome

don't take this the wrong way
I'm always the guy who says;
"build it how you want it, use what ever parts you deem necessary,
drive it like you stole it, enjoy it & who cares what others think"...
or
I'd tub it slam it & race it...
or
"Anyone can restore a car, bolt & unbolt use & replace OE parts,
it's not freaken' rocket science, but it takes a real man to cut one up"

disclaimer;
Don't you purist get all pissed, it's just a few sayings,
I'm not trying to insult the purists or the OE guys &
not everyone can do it right, even just the parts replacers...
It all takes different talents IMO...

Want to see a real man's build....mine is over in the restoration section.....

You got that 1000% right!!!

 

[Budnicks]

Bart

Careful...I guess you have not ran into the Vette guys in the GM world....

You are correct in the GM world you have a much wider profit margin on building an OE type car.....

GYC is a part replacer, mainly reproduction parts...HE is NOT part of the "real OE" world of builders.....

Want to see a real man's build....mine is over in the restoration section.....

Try the old Porsche or the old British sports-car crowd

Oh I know the Vette guys mentality all too well...
The "Tanks Sticker crowd"
I've owned a couple, I sold them all a while ago,
partially because the gold chain wearing, Rolex (fake usually)
open silk shirts, exposing chest hair, 3rd world crowd,
**** retentive & stuck up/narcissist bunch for sure...
{not all but very prevalent in that crowd}
They make the Mopar purist look like soft little kittens...

But IF I was to ever do it again
I'd stick with 67-73 Camaro's &
66-70 Chevelle's, maybe 66-67 Nova
all easy to find stuff for , readily available, reasonably cheap...

Or build old Pick Ups/4x4's

It ain't gonna' happen anytime soon,
I still want to do a few more Mopars,
pro-touring & pro-street builds, vintage drag cars etc.
I want to do what I want, no stupid rules, well sort of anyway...

 

[1967coronet440]

Try the old Porsche or the old British sports-car crowd

Oh I know the Vette guys mentality all too well...
I've owned a couple, I sold them decades ago,
partially because the gold chain wearing, open silk shirts,
3rd world crowd, **** retentive & stuck up bunch for sure...

But IF I was to ever do it
I'd stick with 67-73 Camaro's & 66-70 Chevelle's, maybe 66-67 Nova
all easy to find stuff for , readily available, reasonably cheap...

It ain't gonna' happen anytime soon,
I still want to do a few more Mopars,
pro-touring & pro-street builds, vintage drag cars etc.

My buddy’s dad has a 69 Z28 with the DZ302 in it, my dad and uncle would disown me if I bought a chevy but it’s a nice ride, he won’t do anything with it either it’s just sitting in the open exposed to Chicago weather, and he wants a fools ransom for it. He swears he’s going to get it running this winter and drag my coronet with it next year, I told him only way I race him is for slips lol.

 

[1967coronet440]

Aluminum gen3 hemi race block at sema also

 

[the mississippi madman]

 

[Sweet5ltr]

Old episode, -love Roadkill- but here is a quick flash back from when they took the drivetrain out of a hellcat and stuffed it into a b-body.

10.90 @ 125 with a $20,000 (+/-) crate engine and an unknown aftermarket cost 8HP90 transmission (easily - $30,000+ to replicate this). All in a gutted, 68' Charger with Hoosier slicks. I'll keep the low-deck strokers and ancient 727's. My 15' SRT 392 Challenger M6 got around 14ish mpg around town, 18-19 on the interstate. My 15' Ram Power Wagon (also 6.4 392) gets 10-11 mpg pushing 7,000 pounds around town and 14 mpg on the interstate with 35's.