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How to get 500hp

I did degree cam like I said its 8degrees advanced. Did leak down test with rockers off vec I have 15 percent loss. in every hole valve job is only 20 miles old dont know if 8degrees adanced could tap valve. Dont know the one thing I do know is its going to come apart again. I dont have a lot of faith in the mach. work either but thats a hole diff. can of worms. Thanks steve p.s. If you had a standard block and about 5k to work with what parts would you use to get the 550 hp looking for.

I built my 440 with standard stroke and .030" over.
Steel crank, Main bearing stud girdle, Scatt Chromoly H-Beam rods, Forged aluminum pistons with .140" Dome, Hastings racing piston rings, Victor heads, Victor intake, MP .590 solid camshaft, 1.6 ratio rocker arms "creates a .630" lift", Hughes EDM oil through lifters, Custom length pushrods, Holley carb, Mallory mechanical advance dist, MSD ign coil, TTI 2" primary headers.
That will give you OVER 550hp your asking for! LOL....
It will require a bit higher stall TQ converter than you have, and will want a bit more gear, but it goes like hell in my car!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy Mopar'ing!!!!
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My ? is do you think 8 could have tapped a ex valve that is where the 15 percent leak down is going
5 to 10% is about as good as it gets with 10-20 still being good. I doubt you'd have 15 with valves that weren't sealing. What's your PSI on a compression check? And I usually don't go more than 4 over what the card says either....but I not familiar with your cam either. If it was degreed, then doing a valve clearance test should have been done at the same time.
 
I havent run a commpresion test. but I will. is there any site that you can plug in diff. combintions and get a est hp rating. Thanks steve
 
My total timing is set at 32 degress advanced. Not using vac advanve. Thanks steve
 
I havent run a commpresion test. but I will. is there any site that you can plug in diff. combintions and get a est hp rating. Thanks steve
I have an ancient Desk Top Dyno....if I can find it and if the floppy still works lol. I actually found a 'NOS' plug in floppy drive not to long ago so we'll see lol
 
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My guess is one of a few possibilities, as Cranky stated before about your initial timing... Have you replaced the springs in your distributor? Assuming that we are dealing with a Mopar electronic distributor, my opinion is to run 2 light springs. Using your vacuum advance also is not a bad thing for a street car, and you should be able to adjust it through the center of the diaphram with an 1/8"+- allen wrench. It should run good with 8-10 initial and 36 degrees total. Another thing that I have had happen, is the fuel pump rod had gotten worn beyond its hardened end and ate away in short order.

Another issue could be if the timing chain was installed a tooth off. Without hearing it run or what the throttle responce is, you open up many more possible diagnoses without having all the needed specifics, in which some can be difficult to judge without being present.

I think 67 B-body has certainly cleared the 550hp mark, but seems like it would be more strip than street. It depends what you want, if you want to lean more towards bad *** vs. more street driving, this looks like a good blueprint in my eyes.

I have more than one car, so I can truly get the best of both worlds, but the one I plan to drive the most would be my '70 Runner, which at this time has a 440 with 906 heads, Torker intake, 780 Holley, and a .509" Purple shaft with a 3.54 Dana. I plan to go a tick more street friendly with the cam and switch to a 6-pack with the next build as I want to drive the car more, and I really like the the 3.54 rear and the old school purple shaft would prefer lower gears. Opening up the headers had a HUGE affect on the low end of this thing vs. having the 2.5" full exhaust hooked up. I now have 3" exhaust with an X-pipe and it dumps ahead of the axle.

Like Cranky stated before, the original iron heads really need bowl work, and if you have good pistons at this point, and you want to get by with the smallest investment option to get you around 500hp, I would do the bowl/blend work, cleaning up the heads that you have, and don't change the size at the port openings beyond a gasket match. Then I would lose the cam that you have, bump up your intake to an Edelbrock RPM and also move up to an 800-850 carb.

I believe the cam I settled on for my '70 RR is a Crower solid, flat tappet #32309...
294/298 adv duration,
240/244 duration @ .050"
.519"/.531" lift w .022"/.024" valve lash (.497"/.507")
112 degree centerline

With the solid cam you will need adjustable rockers and I like Hughes, or the made for Mancini Racing by Harland Sharpe bushed style roller rockers. They should be inspected for internal burrs from drilled oil passages and final cleaning. I think 67 B-body had the oil thrugh solid lifters, and I believe that is a good idea and the set I bought last were from Howards Cams.
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If you want aluminum heads you will need to get different pistons as you will want about 10.5 to 1 compression with the aluminum vs. 9.5-9.7 with the iron heads for pump gas.

With Diamond flat tops and decking your block .010" you should have .041" quench with a .039" gasket (with the 6.768" factory rods) and with the 84cc Edelbrock RPM heads you will be right at 10.5 to 1 compression. I do not know the compression hieght of the Icon pistons, but I hear good things about them also and they are U.S. made.

Another note when using the factory rods, (which I would also recommend ARP bolts and then resizing them) is to be sure that there is a notch in the rod side bearing half that oils the adjacent piston wrist pin. The H beam rods just depend on being narrower and getting some splash to oil the piston pins, and I don't personally know the compatability issues with using the narrow rods without the larger radius of the newer cranks.

Pictured is a 440 that I just built for a friend. It is bored .030 with Diamond pistons, balanced steel/forged 3.75" crank, stock rods with ARP bolts, 6qt Hemi pan, Stealth heads with Comp springs, retainers and locks, (Had to machine heads to clearance pushrods), Smith Brother's custom length pushrods, Hughes roller rockers, RPM intake, Comp XE 230/236 hyd/flat tappet cam. This cam is quite noisy for a hydraulic cam and I guess it is the nature of the more aggressive ramps with less overall duration.

I think if I was to do this over, I would just get the Edelbrock heads and a bit larger solid cam, (240-248 duration @ .050" range), and if you had a few extra bucks I would use TTI headers over the Hedmans.
 

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Thanks for all the info guys. Iam using KB flat top pistons stock rods that where resized with ARP bolts. Can I get the 906 heads to flow close to the aluminum heads with some port work or is better to just bite bullit and get new heads. Iam just looking for a good solid street car and have already put a lot of money in the engine. Thanks again steve
 
One mor thing why the higher comp. with aluminum heads and is 10.5 to 1 pushing it on the crap gas we have. Thanks steve
 
Aluminum has better teat transfer properties so it can handle the higher compression which creates higher temperatures that it can dissipate quick enough.
 
I have no idea what HP I'm making but my 440 will roast the tries down to the cord if I let it - and that is with a factory iron intake and a tiny cam (MoPar .455" / 272). My first thought is you don't have 9.75:1 CR. How did you arrive at that number? A little more compression goes a long way toward making power. Certainly the cam installation could cause an issue so a double check on that may be in order as well. Pull the heads and CC the piston at TDC, the chamber as well as the compressed gasket. A cranking compression check before you pull it apart is also useful info.

My point is you don't need to spend cubic dollars to get very good performance out of 440 inches. Not sure if that means getting to your 500 HP number, but in my case I'm quite happy with whatever it does vs. how little was done to it in terms of aftermarket parts. Find out what's wrong before you throw trick aluminum parts at it.
 
Meep Meep The heads where cut to get 80cc 30 over block .021 copper head gasket .094 down in the hole flat top piston when I do the math that comes out to 9.75 to 1 unless Iam doing something wrong. Thanks steve
 
Ok guys try to est HP. Iam going with a hughs 512 strocker kit comp 21-228-4 cam specs are 285 297 dur at 50 241 247 lift 545 545 lob sep 110.0 906 head with heavy port work perfomer rpm intake and 850 carb adj. rockers. Thanks steve
 
The heads are actually 78cc
Didn't you say your heads were cut just to clean up the surface? All open chamber heads check out right around 90cc from the factory and it takes a good .050 cut to get them close to 78cc but if you are really only .050-.054 down in the hole with your pistons and if your heads were 80cc and use a steel shim gasket, you should be just over 10-1 compression.....more like 10.2 to 10.3
 
I think 906 head are 84cc after you put none dish valves in them then I took .025 of them and used .021 head gasket. I had a problem with the mach shop long story. but had to shave head and use thin shim head gasket to get comp ratio up. Thanks steve
 
I think 906 head are 84cc after you put none dish valves in them then I took .025 of them and used .021 head gasket. I had a problem with the mach shop long story. but had to shave head and use thin shim head gasket to get comp ratio up. Thanks steve
Nope, factory 906's check in right at 90cc. I've checked way to many heads fresh off of untouched engines.....
 
Do the stock 906 heads have a flot or dished valve. All I know is I had them checked after cutting the crap out of them and they cam in at 78 to 79 cc. Thanks steve
 
Thanks for all the info guys. Iam using KB flat top pistons stock rods that where resized with ARP bolts. Can I get the 906 heads to flow close to the aluminum heads with some port work or is better to just bite bullit and get new heads. Iam just looking for a good solid street car and have already put a lot of money in the engine. Thanks again steve
Even if you install flat head valves, you still won't get near 84cc in a stock 906 head without milling. Just not that much displacement in doing that with the valves....and you can get a 906 to flow the same numbers as the Eddy RPM heads but that doesn't mean you'll get the same quality of flow that the Eddys have not to mention what the cost will be to port the 906's that much plus then you'll have crack prone 906's after....
 
I here what you are saying it just pisses me off when you spend good money on a service to find out they dint do it right. Just hate spending money twice for same thing. Thanks steve
 
On the eddy heads I have read you still have to spend $500.00 more to get them to flow right. Thanks steve
 
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