IMHO it's 1969 again.

[WileE]

 

[WileE]

 

[WileE]

 

[WileE]

 

[sam dupont]

 

[WileE]

 

[1STMP]

I agree that short-mid term that the current high output gasoline cars are going to become more coveted. But in the long term, nobody is going to be restoring these cars because they are far too complicated for the average Joe. Values for 20-30 year old cars will plummet and people will be buying the new hot rods of whatever power source is available. Unlike how it was in 1969, the new hot rods of today will be completely worthless in 50 years.

As far as state mandates for 100% electric sales, we will see all of these dates fall back as manf's turn out to be unable to meet those demands and free people challenge

In my lifetime I don't believe EV's will become
the standard mode of transportation. There
are too many obstacles to overcome.
Infrastructure, new vehicle cost, fire danger,
charging times, disposal, etc...
There's close to 300,000,000 ICE vehicles
on Americas' roads.
Control is the governments goal.
The ICE gave the world a freedom that
will be extremely difficult to relenquish.

 

[1968rt]

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I was at that show as a kid....Ed Sullivan, many times. Saw them and the Doors, Carpenters, Rolling Stones, Jackson 5 and more

 

[#41]

In my lifetime I don't believe EV's will become
the standard mode of transportation. There
are too many obstacles to overcome.
Infrastructure, new vehicle cost, fire danger,
charging times, disposal, etc...
There's close to 300,000,000 ICE vehicles
on Americas' roads.
Control is the governments goal.
The ICE gave the world a freedom that
will be extremely difficult to relenquish.

Well, from one old-timer to another (?), I hope you live longer than the period in which you may be proven wrong

A few retorts:

Costs of EVs don't seem to be proving to be an obstacle. All new vehicles are expensive due to technology and mandated equipment, not just electric and electric hybrids. Even with the added expense of electric/hybrids, sales have surged since 2018, and this during a time of a pandemic, inflation, shipping problems, and parts unavailability. As technology improves and more units are sold, costs of EVs will close in on ICE vehicles.

It is statistically reported that fuel cars catch fire at a much, MUCH higher rate than electric cars. You just hear about the battery fires more because it is sensationalized by the media and used by anti-electric car people to disparage electric cars.

There are a ton of companies and very smart people working on battery technology that will eventually break through. America has always risen to meet technology challenges and make a buck. I would never bet against that!

 

[WileE]

Well, from one old-timer to another (?), I hope you live longer than the period in which you may be proven wrong

A few retorts:

Costs of EVs don't seem to be proving to be an obstacle. All new vehicles are expensive due to technology and mandated equipment, not just electric and electric hybrids. Even with the added expense of electric/hybrids, sales have surged since 2018, and this during a time of a pandemic, inflation, shipping problems, and parts unavailability. As technology improves and more units are sold, costs of EVs will close in on ICE vehicles.

It is statistically reported that fuel cars catch fire at a much, MUCH higher rate than electric cars. You just hear about the battery fires more because it is sensationalized by the media and used by anti-electric car people to disparage electric cars.

There are a ton of companies and very smart people working on battery technology that will eventually break through. America has always risen to meet technology challenges and make a buck. I would never bet against that!

Well, from one OLDER timer to an old-timer, if you recall the phony "gas shortages" in the 70's, then what will happen with the "energy shortage" or "electric shortage" , whichever crisis whether real or ( most probably) manipulated, will make those 70's debacles seem miniscule. You mark my words, it's all about C-O-N-T-R-O-L.

 

[Ron H]

I’d ask how much study/planning is/has/been involved to have our highways chock full of EV’s in the next decade or so. Currently, batteries require charging and then as it is today, will require more charging after a shorter range of miles, as they begin wearing down. How will the infrastructure, in more ways than one, be created in any reasonable way and able to handle the demand, including the electrical grid, that we hear kind a sucks as it is? This isn’t the development of the interstate highway system in the 50’s.

Where will we be able to obtain the MASSIVE amount of raw materials/minerals required to mfg these EV’s? Some of which are mined. Then we will have the massive numbers of spent batteries to be disposed of. I don’t know about fires, by comparison, with the number of ICE vehicles. Has anyone pro-rated these possible figures? IMO, we hit a nice benchmark with hybrids and technology I’d guess could obtain 70+MPG with them. Never had one; but know a few having them a few years being happy with them. No plug-in’s required, saves lots of gas and less emissions. Focus on more of them on the roads.

EV’s again, MO are something we’re not ready for...this decade or next.

 

[Cojohnso1]

Well, from one OLDER timer to an old-timer, if you recall the phony "gas shortages" in the 70's, then what will happen with the "energy shortage" or "electric shortage" , whichever crisis whether real or ( most probably) manipulated, will make those 70's debacles seem miniscule. You mark my words, it's all about C-O-N-T-R-O-L.

It's also about combating environmental issues that burning of fossil fuels creates. For any deniers, one has to ask yourself. "Did we really believe there is no consequences in releasing emissions at this rate?" Of course there is. Just run an exhaust hose into your house and see how that works out.

I for one am looking forward to my next car purchase. That will be EV. And not going down the path of fearing the future. Electric cars today are more energy efficient. Less maintenance requirements and higher performance. Internal combustion engine cannot compete with electric motor along any torque curve pound for pound. And that's with today's battery technologies. Tomorrow? This discussion will be moot. High charge rates of over 1000 mi. Faster charging times. (Assuming your source can handle the amps.)

100 years ago. Henry Ford was attacked by the horse and buggies crowd. Thankfully he didn't cave. And we still have horse and buggies. Gasoline will still be available to services the vintage and nostalgic crowd. Electric will take longer to replace heavy equipment operations. I believe the future can and will be bright. We can and will have our cake and eat it too.

JMO.

 

[1STMP]

It's also about combating environmental issues that burning of fossil fuels creates. For any deniers, one has to ask yourself. "Did we really believe there is no consequences in releasing emissions at this rate?" Of course there is. Just run an exhaust hose into your house and see how that works out.

I for one am looking forward to my next car purchase. That will be EV. And not going down the path of fearing the future. Electric cars today are more energy efficient. Less maintenance requirements and higher performance. Internal combustion engine cannot compete with electric motor along any torque curve pound for pound. And that's with today's battery technologies. Tomorrow? This discussion will be moot. High charge rates of over 1000 mi. Faster charging times. (Assuming your source can handle the amps.)

100 years ago. Henry Ford was attacked by the horse and buggies crowd. Thankfully he didn't cave. And we still have horse and buggies. Gasoline will still be available to services the vintage and nostalgic crowd. Electric will take longer to replace heavy equipment operations. I believe the future can and will be bright. We can and will have our cake and eat it too.

JMO.

I was going to add the big ol' red X as WileERobby did, but I hate gettin' those
myself.
Call me a conspiracy nut but this mad
push to get the populace into not quite
up to snuff technologies of an EV is
all about control. The government has
always been against seeing oil companies
rake in huge profits and haven't been able
to get their fingers deep in that pie. Gas taxes
at the pump is all they get to lick off
those fingers. And we all know that climate
change due to the evils of burning gasoline
is pure dee BS. Our home base planet does
more to pollute our air than any and all ICE
engines since their inception. The big
orange ball (100,00,000) times bigger than
our home base controls our climate.
The infrastructure just isn't where it needs
to be to support this sudden demand.
How are people who live in apartments
going to be able to charge their EV's ?
Or the guy that has a deer lease cabin
with no power poles in sight? Or the
mad exodus from a cat 5 hurricane where
5,000,000 EV's all try hittin' the highway
at once? Or charge the EV's that survived
that storm, when all the charging stations
are 3 feet under water and the power's
out for two weeks? (I actually lived through
this scenario twice), getting gasoline was
difficult but still possible.
No EV's for me.
I will save even more when I turn my
evil ICE powered 1940 Plymouth life
long project into a coffin, and only one
pallbearer. He can drive it straight to
the gravesite.

 

[#41]

Any significant change is never easy. There is resistance and excuses, and then mankind moves forward. These are universal constants that can be applied to any leap forward in technology ever made in human history.

 

[1STMP]

Any significant change is never easy. There is resistance and excuses, and then mankind moves forward. These are universal constants that can be applied to any leap forward in technology ever made in human history.

Not against any newfound technologies.
I've spent an entire career in their
development. The problem with the EV push
is those technologies available haven't
reached the current level of convenience
(for lack of a better word) that ICE's offer.
Changes such as these take time to refine.
When states start putting timelines on
their development, those refinements take
a back seat to convince. ie...I'm 300 miles
from the nearest charging station in the
Mojave desert. My EV is bone dry of juice.
The wife and 4 kids are suffering the
unbearable 122 deg. temps. Good
Samaritans aren't going to be able to
offer up a couple gallons of electricity.
This whole thing is about government
control of its' populace at this point
of current technologies. Otherwise,
why the big rush to convert?
I'm not chasing the carrot.

 

[Ron H]

I’m kicking my own dead horse on this posting again, but we crawl before we walk and it has application with anything we do. And often learn from our mistakes along the way. If you’ve built one motor, are you able to do it better on your 3rd motor? Pick any sports/games you like. Playing better now than 5-10 years ago?

I have some personal irritation having had to work for people in lofty positions on one goal or another, who forget the crawling phases; but even worse, think it’s something not necessary. In other words, they got themselves a ‘vision’ but no friggin CLUE or even curiosity about what’s involved to get there.

In one case it was disastrous causing an explosion, fire, ten employees severely injured, and one DEAD. In another, the company prez labeled me as da bad guy de-skinning me publicly among the exec staff, accused of impeding on his ‘vision’. Well, **** nah, being a rather detail-oriented sort, paying attention to them, tried to explain the necessary – details to snag his vision including training workers barely in a crawling phase and obtaining the right equipment. Didn’t want to hear it. My hate for that POS hasn't changed in 20 years.

Back on EV’s. We have all sorts of people, including da prez, who think these vehicles can become common as dirt in quick order. My kids are all intrigued about them despising filling up their tank and paying for gas. Yeah, like EV’s are going to be like free fuel! Asked them to lemme share what I’ve read about mfg and servicing them – some details – like posted above, acquiring this goal. They said, “I never thought about that.”

If my comments are being construed as impeding on the goal of EV’s…not what I’m saying. Just that pixy-dust doesn’t exist in the real world.

 

[SlinktRR]

People complaining about control need look no further than the major oil companies behavior for the past 150 years.

 

[Fran Blacker]

if you hear any whining it's me! Just received my first bill with the new public benefit rate last month it was $42 this month $120 mf dollars.

 

[alsant]

69 is the best

 

[biomedtechguy]

69 is the best

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