Kickdown & throttle cable ?

[Aarons Air]

I have a 68 coronet, with a 383, stock 4 barrel intake, and an edelbrock carb. I have a 69 ramcharger set up. I need an accelerator cable, kickdown cable, and all the associated brackets. I've been considering Lokar, and Bouchillon. My questions are, , do the two cables share any brackets ( meaning, should both cables be the same brand) ? Or, could i have for example, a Lokar accelerator cable, and a Bouchillon kickown cable ? Also, has anyone compared the pricing for both brands to run both cables ? And lastly will these cables & brackets clear the base of the ramcharger setup ?

 

[Cranky]

I'm not real impressed with the Lokar kickdown I just installed recently on a customer's car. Hot Rod rag just did an article on the different manufacture's kickdown/throttle set ups and well, looks like there might be others that are easier or better. And of course the article came out after I bought the Lokar stuff but to answer one of your questions, it does seem that they all have their own set ups and adapters that work with their cables.....

 

[BeepBeepRR]

I am about to install both the throttle cables and the kick down cables from Lokar on the 440. I have installed a Mr.Gasket throttle cable before. That was way cheaper and did the same function.

https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/carburetor_components/brackets_and_linkage/parts/5657

 

[Aarons Air]

I'm not real impressed with the Lokar kickdown I just installed recently on a customer's car. Hot Rod rag just did an article on the different manufacture's kickdown/throttle set ups and well, looks like there might be others that are easier or better. And of course the article came out after I bought the Lokar stuff but to answer one of your questions, it does seem that they all have their own set ups and adapters that work with their cables.....

Thanks. I read some old posts about lokar & bouchillon. I got the impression people liked bouchillon better.

 

[Aarons Air]

I am about to install both the throttle cables and the kick down cables from Lokar on the 440. I have installed a Mr.Gasket throttle cable before. That was way cheaper and did the same function.

https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/carburetor_components/brackets_and_linkage/parts/5657

Wow, the throttle cable is much less than bouchillon ! Thanks !

 

[beanhead]

I prefer the Lokar for both when factory originality isn't a concern. To be fair here, I have used both the Bouchillion and the Lokar, and I've had equally good functionality with both. For me, it basically comes down to the lokar just looking a whole lot better and cleaner... I'm not a fan of the big gold metal pieces that you have to bolt on with the bouchillion. Just my opinion...

Lokar

Bouchillion

 

[Aarons Air]

I prefer the Lokar for both when factory originality isn't a concern. To be fair here, I have used both the Bouchillion and the Lokar, and I've had equally good functionality with both. For me, it basically comes down to the lokar just looking a whole lot better and cleaner... I'm not a fan of the big gold metal pieces that you have to bolt on with the bouchillion. Just my opinion...

Lokar
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Bouchillion
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Thanks. That is a cleaner look. And doesn't appear it would be in the way of the ramcharger base.

 

[Aarons Air]

I prefer the Lokar for both when factory originality isn't a concern. To be fair here, I have used both the Bouchillion and the Lokar, and I've had equally good functionality with both. For me, it basically comes down to the lokar just looking a whole lot better and cleaner... I'm not a fan of the big gold metal pieces that you have to bolt on with the bouchillion. Just my opinion...

Lokar
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Bouchillion
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Wiuld you have a part # for the bracket at the rear of the carb, for the lokar setup ?

 

[beanhead]

Wiuld you have a part # for the bracket at the rear of the carb, for the lokar setup ?

I don't have the exact part #s, but I do remember buying them from Jeg's (for some reason!) Kickdown cable assembly was 'Lokar TF-727', and for the throttle cable I bought the 'Duo-Pack' universal kit...it came with all the necessary bracket and springs for both cables. The throttle kit, if I remember, comes in a lot of various lengths so get one that offers you enough length to make yours work. Ran me just under $200 for the whole ball 'o wax....
No complaints once I had everything in and adjusted.

 

[Don selleck]

i got the lokar kit also works good, all on one bracket, clean.

 

[BeepBeepRR]

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-srk-4003/overview/
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-kd-2727ht/overview/
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-tc-1000ht

or this is the 36 inch throttle cable

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-tc-1000ht36

 

[Aarons Air]

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-srk-4003/overview/
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-kd-2727ht/overview/
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-tc-1000ht

or this is the 36 inch throttle cable

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/lok-tc-1000ht36

Awesome ! Thank you !

 

[Aarons Air]

It seems Lokar has two different brackets for their cables. The srk-4000 which is designed to hold their throttle cable & kick down cable both. And srk-4003 which is designed to hold the lokar throttle cable, and factory kickdown - according to Summit.

 

[68 Sport Satellite]

I prefer the Lokar for both when factory originality isn't a concern. To be fair here, I have used both the Bouchillion and the Lokar, and I've had equally good functionality with both. For me, it basically comes down to the lokar just looking a whole lot better and cleaner... I'm not a fan of the big gold metal pieces that you have to bolt on with the bouchillion. Just my opinion...

Lokar
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Bouchillion
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I'm running the Bouchillon setup and have never been happy with it. It's super sensitive to that slot adjustment and if I go too far towards the firewall my idle is too high, but not close enough to firewall and the kickdown barely works. I think my springs may be wrong also. For supposedly not working as well, the Lokar setup looks much cleaner.

 

[68 Sport Satellite]

I am about to install both the throttle cables and the kick down cables from Lokar on the 440. I have installed a Mr.Gasket throttle cable before. That was way cheaper and did the same function.

Mr. Gasket 5657 Mr. Gasket Throttle Cable Kit - Stainless Steel Braided

did you get the Lokar setup installed and how's it working?

Has anyone successfully installed a Bouchillon kickdown setup and got it to work as intended? I adjusted both the throttle cable and kickdown cable with carb at Wide Open Throttle. I did have it for a while where everything shifted fine, but kickdown only worked if you mashed it to the floor. I'm trying to adjust it so it will kickdown at 3/4 throttle like a modern car. I'm running a Cope Racing 727 with stage 2 shift kit. Today I adjusted the kickdown bracket slider so it put a little more tension on the kickdown cable. During the test drive it short shifted 1-2 and 2-3 and at then WOT would not kick down at all. I parked the car and adjusted only the kickdown bracket slider so a little less compression on the slider internal kickdown spring. Drove again, same result. Now I'm just trying to get back to where i started. I sure wish this thing had a ratchet on it. I've been making sharpie marks on the kickdown metal slider for reference. I think I need to clean it off and make numbered hash marks every 1/16".

Any suggestions from someone who's got the Bouchillon setup to kick down at 3/4 throttle? Most of my local mopar buddies are driving manual transmissions.

 

[beanhead]

did you get the Lokar setup installed and how's it working?

Has anyone successfully installed a Bouchillon kickdown setup and got it to work as intended? I adjusted both the throttle cable and kickdown cable with carb at Wide Open Throttle. I did have it for a while where everything shifted fine, but kickdown only worked if you mashed it to the floor. I'm trying to adjust it so it will kickdown at 3/4 throttle like a modern car. I'm running a Cope Racing 727 with stage 2 shift kit. Today I adjusted the kickdown bracket slider so it put a little more tension on the kickdown cable. During the test drive it short shifted 1-2 and 2-3 and at then WOT would not kick down at all. I parked the car and adjusted only the kickdown bracket slider so a little less compression on the slider internal kickdown spring. Drove again, same result. Now I'm just trying to get back to where i started. I sure wish this thing had a ratchet on it. I've been making sharpie marks on the kickdown metal slider for reference. I think I need to clean it off and make numbered hash marks every 1/16".

Any suggestions from someone who's got the Bouchillon setup to kick down at 3/4 throttle? Most of my local mopar buddies are driving manual transmissions.

You can't get it to kickdown at 3/4 throttle just by adjustments, if you have a '70-earlier valve body (I believe the part-throttle feature started in '71). You can vary the kickdown point a tiny bit, but that also then affects the shift points and quality some as you've discovered.
If you're looking for a 3/4 or part-throttle kickdown you'll have to modify your VB or use one from a later-model 727.

 

[68 Sport Satellite]

You can't get it to kickdown at 3/4 throttle just by adjustments, if you have a '70-earlier valve body (I believe the part-throttle feature started in '71). You can vary the kickdown point a tiny bit, but that also then affects the shift points and quality some as you've discovered.
If you're looking for a 3/4 or part-throttle kickdown you'll have to modify your VB or use one from a later-model 727.

Thanks I didn't know that. However, I believe this non-stock 727 I got from Cope is the later model 727, so we'll see.

 

[beanhead]

Thanks I didn't know that. However, I believe this non-stock 727 I got from Cope is the later model 727, so we'll see.

Definitely worth checking with them, since you got it to work good by going WOT for kickdown. That would be proper operation for a the pre-PTK valve body.