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Fords were selling a lot of mustang sheet metal parts because they rusted out much faster than Mopars. I don't remember the exact production numbers anymore but they produced a whole bunch of Mustangs.... how many cars all together did Chrysler produce say within a span of 10 years between 65 and 75 compared to Ford? Chrysler was a pretty small car company. I had five mustangs in the mid 70s and all of them had rust issues with a couple of them being pretty bad and they were all Texas cars....didn't have that problem with my Mopars. Yeah the Mopars usually had some rest issues but not like the Fords did. Maybe Ford did that on purpose? Naw....they wouldn't do that would they lol
Climate has more to do with rust than
what the make is. You can find rust
free cars in the desert southwest that
are over 80 years old.
Case in point:
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Not a single repair of rust thru. The
truck was located in the Albuquerque
area. She's 83.
 
That’s the plow from our ATV we store in the barn. When I moved the Nova yesterday it resulted in this scene.

Let the crude comments begin. Especially from all you anti-Chevy guys. Let’s hear it!
Whatchu got?

:lol:

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That should run OK with a LS motor on board.

How about some mud-grip tires for those difficult days.

Do you tie a chain around the wiper arms to raise and lower the blade. :poke:

uhhh....that's all I got. Nice Nova. :thumbsup:
 
True. But I think it was a mistake to stop all 2 door rear drive models. In ‘84 and ‘85, Oldsmobile made hundreds of thousands of the Cutlass G body. And that’s not including all the Regals, Gran Prixs, and Monte Carlos. I’ve seen more than a few also say Chrysler missed the boat by discontinuing the R bodies. By 1983 gas prices had come down and GM was moving tons, literally, of full size B bodies. I never liked Iacocca. A neighbor of mine told me in ‘83 when I got my ‘70 ‘Cuda that one of the first things Iacocca did was empty the Delaware warehouse that had many quarter panels and trim. He worked there and said train car loads of E body fenders and quarter panels went to scrap. He also foolishly cancelled the 400 and 440, basically taking Dodge out of the heavy duty, towing, truck business. Ford kept the 460, and Chevy the 454.
I really don't think Chrysler could continue the poor sellers back in 1983. True, the Cutlass sold 187,631 two doors in that year (plus the four doors) but the Dodge Mirada and Chrysler Cordoba didn't sell 20,000 combined and sales were in a decline over previous years. As for the R bodies, by the time they were discontinued a large percentage of them were built as police cars, and the M body more than made up for those sales.

Agreed that it was too bad the big block got taken away, there was too long of a gap before the Cummins diesel was offered to fill the need for torque. Power that was great for pushing snow plows, back to the original post. :)
 
All I can say is...I've had 3 Daytona Shelby's.... my 87 Daytona Shelby & my 89 Daytona Shelby would blow the doors off most near-stock cars on this site. And both of them were among the most reliable cars I've ever owned. And get 30 mpg, by the way. Ride, quiet, and handling were better than most 60's Mopars.
I'm glad they figured them out eventually. My bought-new in '85 GLH Turbo was a blast to drive -
when it wasn't in the shop for warranty issues, of which it had a TON of in the few years I owned it.
Hey, I tried to remain loyal to Ma...
 
Climate has more to do with rust than
what the make is. You can find rust
free cars in the desert southwest that
are over 80 years old.
Case in point:
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Not a single repair of rust thru. The
truck was located in the Albuquerque
area. She's 83.
Even though I live in Texas, I'm about 9 miles from Galveston Bay so if a car is parked outside, it's probably going to get a good coating of due every night (with this summer being an exception). Then we have the SE breezes a lot which brings in high humidity from the Gulf. Then if you spent a lot of time in Galveston (oh man, I did), your car is subject to the salt and big time. Maybe my Fastback spent some time on the beach....it did when I owned it. My first car always got a good bath after being out there but the Mustang had some pretty good holes in the quarters so it didn't get the bath it should of had because I didn't want a trunk full of water. I did rinse from the inside out from time to time. And you should see the interior chrome trim in my Belvedere. Talk about the pits that have popped up and it's inside the shop! Right now the humidity is 80% out here.
I really don't think Chrysler could continue the poor sellers back in 1983. True, the Cutlass sold 187,631 two doors in that year (plus the four doors) but the Dodge Mirada and Chrysler Cordoba didn't sell 20,000 combined and sales were in a decline over previous years. As for the R bodies, by the time they were discontinued a large percentage of them were built as police cars, and the M body more than made up for those sales.

Agreed that it was too bad the big block got taken away, there was too long of a gap before the Cummins diesel was offered to fill the need for torque. Power that was great for pushing snow plows, back to the original post. :)
And the E body sales took a dive in....with some of that being because of Nam. I know it was one of the reasons I didn't buy anything new. Nam or not, figured I'd be in the military at some point in the not too distant future and so many others did the exact same thing.

And yes, it was a lot of years too long before Cummins came out plus the old 'round' trucks were getting pretty old. Lots of people didn't like them including me even though I had several. When I saw the new for 72 models I thought....eh. What a radical change that was. The Fords and Chevys looked more appealing but hated the twin I beam on the Fords and just wasn't impressed with GM's that much.

It was 76 before buying a used but really nice (a really bare bones truck) 74 with a /6 and well, that combo taught be to be more astute when buying my 3rd truck which was a 3/4 ton with a teen and 4.10 gears and limited slip. What a step up that was. My 2nd truck was a 150 swb with a teen but there was a 360 in the bed that was fresh out of a Super Coupe. The teen ran but not good but found out later what was wrong but looked like no one ever changed the oil in it when I pulled the valve covers off. The 3/4 ton ran good with only 30k miles but it was used on a farm and the body had 'push ins' from cattle coming up to it. Was able to make it look much better with a bathroom plunger lol
 
Climate, of course, plays a major part in rust issues. But, if you were involved in the auto business back in the day, we noticed the rust/corrosion issue with cars firsthand. As Cranky correctly notes, we noticed Fords ( in our region of the northeast ), had significantly more rot than other makes. The Rustang got it's nickname for good reason. A joke then was, we could fix Ford window regulator problems from the outside, because the outer door skins were rotted away ! On the point of RWD cars, the demise of the B-body, and A-body left nothing else of any worth. The garbage F bodies competed very well for top rot buckets, and the J & M bodies were nothing desirable. Iacocca and the K-car saved Chryco from extinction.
 
If it wasn't for Novas, the Duster or Demon may not have come into existence........

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While you are not far off from the truth, it is the Mopar B Body cars that owe their existence to the Chevy II/ Nova platform. Around 1960 there was a rumor in the automotive industry that Chevrolet was going to downsize their full size car line up. Supposedly Chrysler got word that Chevrolet was working on designing this new downsized model. To counter this Chrysler developed the new intermediate sized Dodge and Plymouth B body platform and discontinued the two brands full sized models for the 1962 model year. This didn't sit well with full sized car buyers, and after dismal sales figures came in,Dodge went to Chrysler and they designed Dodge front sheet metal that would fit on the existing full size Chrysler model, to fill the void of not having a full size vehicle offering. This rebranded Chrysler became known as the Dodge 880. Plymouth tried to market their B body cars as full sized cars by using the Fury nameplates on them,as the Fury had previously been Plymouths full sized offering. After Plymouth realized that the B body Plymouth cars were not selling to potential full sized car buyers, they reintroduced the full sized Plymouth Fury on the C body platform in 1965. From 1962 through 1964 there were no full sized Plymouth offerings. The car that started the rumor about Chevrolet downsizing their full sized car line turned out to be the 1962 Chevy II / Nova, which was actually built to compete with the Ford Falcon. Chevrolet never did downsize their full sized car lineup. If not for that rumor,B body Mopars may not have ever been built, and FBBO might not exist today.
 
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Love Novas... i had a 70 with a 307.. it's one of the cars i wish i had kept :( Was looking for one when i got my '62... really hard to find novas that aren't hacked to death now
 
I've built them and still love them!! I got nothing but love!

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I agree. But the 307 has a bigger bore and can take bigger valve heads. It's like a 283 with a 327 crank.
From my understanding, the 265 in my Belair became the 283 and then finally the 307. I thought the 307 is where that block ended.

I’m talking stock. The L69 305 had the thicker block, higher lift cam, better flowing heads, 9.5:1 compression, aluminum intake manifold, and 750 cfm Q-Jet. It was factory rated at 180 HP. NHRA factored it at 240.
The car is a 1970. That 307 is rated for 200hp that year. By '72/'73 that hp was cut nearly in half. Came with Rochester 2bbl originally but the previous owner put an Edelbrock 1405 600cfm on it. Timing cover has been off of it and I don't why. It's gutless, but super reliable. Anytime I heard 305 OR 307 over the years my eyes never really lit up.

How do you get both cars under one car cover? :poke:
Oh we make it work, believe you and me :poke:

Nova translates to no go in Spanish.
I'm surprised it took so long for someone to mention that one lol.

in 1986 I think it translated to Corolla in Japanese

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Even better, the Chevy Citation was reportedly the replacement for the Nova in 1980 on the X-platform. My great grandma drove one of those.
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That should run OK with a LS motor on board.

How about some mud-grip tires for those difficult days.

Do you tie a chain around the wiper arms to raise and lower the blade. :poke:

uhhh....that's all I got. Nice Nova. :thumbsup:
How's this?
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...The Rustang...
Heard lots of derogatory terms and acronyms for Ford over the years, but that's a first for that one...that's great lol

we could fix Ford window regulator problems from the outside, because the outer door skins were rotted away !...
:rofl:
 
A 283 is a bored out 265. A 327 is a bored and stroked 283. A 302 (chevy) is a 327 block with a 283 crank. All of these are small main engines. (Except the 302 in 68/69 was a large main.)
The 307 is a large main version of a 283 block, with a 327 crank.
350 is a large main version of a 327/302 block with a stroke increase. So is a (chevy) 383.
400 is a very large main version, it's own block with more bore, more stroke, and short rods.
We don't talk about 305s, or 262s.
 
A 283 is a bored out 265. A 327 is a bored and stroked 283. A 302 (chevy) is a 327 block with a 283 crank. All of these are small main engines. (Except the 302 in 68/69 was a large main.)
The 307 is a large main version of a 283 block, with a 327 crank.
350 is a large main version of a 327/302 block with a stroke increase. So is a (chevy) 383.
400 is a very large main version, it's own block with more bore, more stroke, and short rods.
We don't talk about 305s, or 262s.

I had a 400 sbc with 4 bolt mains. Truck engine maybe?... I took a set of heads to school (machine shop), they needed 2 holes drilled between each cylinder to match the block and the head gasket...... we shoved it in a ratty 68 vette with a solid cam (Crane Fireball, maybe Blazer?) and side pipes, it ran good!.......oh, the memories
 
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