Modern movies and why they are often so terrible.

[Ron H]

buh-un or buh - tin.

Thanks - reminds me of the SNL skit with? Can't recall his name, Buckwheat? singing the tune 'Lookin for love..' redone to "pookin for nub".
My '63 has a...poo-ish buh-un transmission, lol

 

[SteveSS]

Unce, tice, fee times a lady.

 

[patrick66]

I can't watch martial arts movies where they run thru the air and across ceilings.

No wonder I can't get my black belt, crap!

 

[SteveSS]

I think it's weird when you consider the main audience for action movies is male then studios are so actively producing "Girl Boss" movies. Case in point, the new Star Wars series Ahsoka is all female leads. Since when is the Star Wars audience female? It's strictly from producers like Kathleen Kennedy (Indy Jones and the Dial of Destiny) convinced that feminism, homosexuality, and transsexualism must be in anything Disney does now. It's the same go-woke, go-broke style of doing things now. Disney stock is down over half what it was 2 years ago. They need to fire all the current movie producers, take a giant step back, and reboot.

 

[Kern Dog]

I agree.
I am fine with emphasis on strong women but let's be realistic.....Is most every male in these movies a complete wimp? He'd have to be for a person 2/3 his size , female or male, to run all over him and lead the people.

 

[JR_Charger]

"Star Hers," failing miserably -



Kind of hate to see Ahsoka fail, but look what they did with it. If it isn't cancelled before Thrawn shows up, he'll just be a weak punching bag for the girl power.

I haven't watched any of it since Disney took over. The prequels were bad enough.

 

[Kern Dog]

What the hell is that? I've never heard of it....

 

[JR_Charger]

The newest Star Wars show streaming on Disney. It's about Ahsoka Tano, who was Darth Vader's apprentice before he turned evil.

Obi-Wan describes her best -



But seriously, Ahsoka is the best thing George Lucas did in Star Wars since "Return of the Jedi." It's a shame they went "girl power" with her live action show. From what I've seen, parts of it are pretty decent.

In the thumbnail for the video I posted before, the green woman is a supporting character and doesn't have the Incredible Hulk body in the show. The woman cast to play her is definitely on the annoying side though.

 

[Spare Parts]

I’m a huge fan of the Mad Max series.
I really enjoyed Fury Road.
Actual stunts vs CGI.
However the main character Max was overshadowed by Furiosa.
Max wasn’t really that Mad?
A side character.
Rumor has it that the next Franchise sequel will be called Furiosa!!!!…..

 

[YY1]

Actually, there are only SIX basic storytelling plots-

The plots[edit]​

Overcoming the monster[edit]​

Definition: The protagonist sets out to defeat an antagonistic force (often evil) that threatens the protagonist and/or protagonist's homeland.

Examples: Perseus, Theseus, Beowulf, Dracula, The War of the Worlds, Nicholas Nickleby, The Guns of Navarone, Seven Samurai (The Magnificent Seven), James Bond, Jaws, Star Wars, Naruto, Harry Potter.

Rags to riches[edit]​

Definition: The poor protagonist acquires power, wealth, and/or a mate, loses it all and gains it back, growing as a person as a result.

Examples: Cinderella, Aladdin, Jane Eyre, A Little Princess, Great Expectations, David Copperfield, Moll Flanders, The Red and the Black, The Prince and the Pauper, The Ugly Duckling, The Gold Rush, The Jerk.

The quest[edit]​

Definition: The protagonist and companions set out to acquire an important object or to get to a location. They face temptations and other obstacles along the way.

Examples: The Iliad, The Pilgrim's Progress, The Lord of the Rings, King Solomon's Mines, The Divine Comedy, Watership Down, The Aeneid, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Voyage and return[edit]​

Definition: The protagonist goes to a strange land and, after overcoming the threats it poses or learning important lessons unique to that location, returns with experience.

Examples: Ramayana, Odyssey, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, Goldilocks and the Three Bears, Orpheus, The Time Machine, Peter Rabbit, The Hobbit, Brideshead Revisited, The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Gone with the Wind, The Third Man, The Lion King, Back to the Future, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, Gulliver's Travels, Peter Pan, The Epic of Gilgamesh.

Comedy[edit]​

Definition: Light and humorous character with a happy or cheerful ending; a dramatic work in which the central motif is the triumph over adverse circumstance, resulting in a successful or happy conclusion.[2] Booker stresses that comedy is more than humor. It refers to a pattern where the conflict becomes more and more confusing, but is at last made plain in a single clarifying event. The majority of romance films fall into this category.

Examples: The Wasps, Aurularia, The Arbitration, A Midsummer Night's Dream, Much Ado About Nothing, Twelfth Night, The Taming of the Shrew, The Alchemist, Bridget Jones's Diary, Four Weddings and a Funeral, The Big Lebowski.

Tragedy[edit]​

Definition: The protagonist is a hero with a major character flaw or great mistake which is ultimately their undoing. Their unfortunate end evokes pity at their folly and the fall of a fundamentally good character.

Examples: Anna Karenina, Bonnie and Clyde, Carmen, Citizen Kane, John Dillinger, Jules et Jim, Julius Caesar, Macbeth, Madame Bovary, Oedipus Rex, The Picture of Dorian Gray, Romeo and Juliet, Hamilton, The Great Gatsby, Hamlet.

Rebirth[edit]​

Definition: An event forces the main character to change their ways and often become a better individual.

Examples: Pride and Prejudice, The Frog Prince, Beauty and the Beast, The Snow Queen, A Christmas Carol, The Secret Garden, Peer Gynt, Groundhog Day.

The Rule of Three[edit]​

Main article: Rule of three (writing)
The third event in a series of events becomes "the final trigger for something important to happen." This pattern appears in childhood stories, like Goldilocks and the Three Bears, Cinderella, and Little Red Riding Hood.

In adult stories, the Rule of Three conveys the gradual resolution of a process that leads to transformation. This transformation can be downwards as well as upwards.

Booker asserts that the Rule of Three is expressed in four ways[citation needed]:

1. The simple, or cumulative three, for example, Cinderella's three visits to the ball.
2. The ascending three, where each event is of more significance than the preceding, for example, the hero must win first bronze, then silver, then gold objects.
3. The contrasting three, where only the third has positive value, for example, The Three Little Pigs, two of whose houses are blown down by the Big Bad Wolf.
4. The final or dialectical form of three, where, as with Goldilocks and her bowls of porridge, the first is wrong in one way, the second in an opposite way, and the third is "just right".[3]

I read this decades ago, but this version was lifted conveniently from wikipedia.

 

[patrick66]

Add to the above - Boy meets girl. Girl meets boy. Girl meets girl. Boy meets boy. Questionable gender meets questionable gender.

 

[YY1]

Actually:

A- quest and voyage and return can be combined.

and

"Boy meets girl", et al typically also follows one of the above. Can you name an example that doesn't?
(well, **** maybe)

 

[JR_Charger]

Hmm . . . I was born with an enormous trust fund and all I did was eat good food and screw beautiful women the end.

 

[SteveSS]

Obviously, the author of this piece thinks DEI Is the greatest thing to ever hit movies. I DON'T think it's going to do well with the Star Wars fan base. I'm all for Disney and their IP's going straight down the toilet. I hope Snow Brown and the 7 homeless bums fail miserably.

The Walt Disney Company has made some huge strides to improve representation across the board, and the Star Wars galaxy is no different.

Last year, transgender and non-binary actor Zoe Terakes was cast in the upcoming project Ironheart, becoming the second openly trans actor to appear in the Marvel cinematic universe after Zack Barack from Spider-Man: Far From Home in 2019.

It looks like Lucasfilm is taking notes, too. The Acolyte is set to introduce one of the most diverse casts to date and comes after the award-winning Andor starred in Star Wars' first-ever prominent lesbian couple.

 

[SteveSS]

I'm not being fancy here. I had to look up what IP's were after hearing so much about Disney destroying their IP's. It refers to Intellectual Properties: Star Wars, MCU, Pixar, etc.

 

[YY1]

(OG) Star Wars fans weren't super happy with Lucas, starting as far back as "Return Of The Jedi" and pretty much going downhill from there.
(WAY downhill for episode I)

They were actually hopeful WD could bring the franchise back around.

I personally LOVED the animated "Rebels" series that was a collaborative effort involving WD before WD actually gained control. I found it WAY more true to the original concept.
Unfortunately, those involved on that project were not asked back, and even the sequel to that series SUCKED and looked much more like the episode 1-3 drivel.

 

[JR_Charger]

"According to rumors," Disney's on the verge of being taken over by Apple after losing so much money on Woke projects -



Shades of Elon taking over Twitter?

There are also "rumors" that "The Acolyte" and Snow Woke have been cancelled.

I'm hoping the "rumors" about Star Trek being taken away from Bad Robot/Secret Hideout are true -



Trek has gotten better since the first season of Discovery, but let's go ahead and show the cultural vandals to the door please. It's curious how they failed their way to the top. Most curious indeed. Almost like they were hired to destroy everything that was good.

 

[Sahara]

I’m late finding this thread, it was current while we were on fire evacuation.
But here’s my two cents.
Wife and I much prefer either oldish American TV and movies, or British TV.
For some reason Britain has always had gay characters but they are not the focus of the story or the show. They are just characters. And usually their characters are older, middle aged, average looking. Just like real people. Look at American TV; nobody out on the street actually looks like that. And if they do use a “average” looking character they are usually portrayed as being dimmer then everyone else, and they find it necessary to slap a southern accent on them, to boot.
Canada is as bad or worse, thanks to our national broadcaster being super woke before woke was a thing. There are a few gems, though. None of them are produced by the CBC.
Corner Gas was a snapshot of a kinder, gentler side of Canadian life. No agenda, just a nice show.
Letterkenny is at the other end of the spectrum. Raw, occasionally violent, it accurately portrays the life of small town northern Canada better then any show ever has. It’s not perfect; the lady bartender is played so over the top that I am uncomfortable watching those scenes. But they capture the hockey culture like no show ever has, warts and all.
And the female lead wears a pair of Daisy Dukes as well as the grand lady herself.

 

[JR_Charger]

And if they do use a “average” looking character they are usually portrayed as being dimmer then everyone else, and they find it necessary to slap a southern accent on them, to boot.

Southerners were safe to attack, but once the door was cracked open, y'all became safe to attack too.

 

[JR_Charger]

Disney loses 750 million over 13 films in 2023 - Link

I think the author may be overly-conservative on advertising costs, and the true amount of Disney's losses could be around 2-3 billion.