Muscle cars?

[gdrill]

Because the road runner with the same drivetrain would be faster.

 

[Larrry B.]

And because it's a Road Runner.

 

[Cranky]

Very interesting. I have a '69 GTX. And just sold my '69 Roadrunner. (Base white 383 automatic. So not a totally fair comparison) So I had them side by side in the garage. And I still don't know why GTX didn't dominate Roadrunner in sales? It couldn't be because of the "Beep Beep" horn? Because the GTX was clearly a better car. Better interior, better suspension. Obviously the Dana rear superior to the 8 3/4. I know you can get Roadrunner with the updates. But why? Most were standard to GTX.

The GTX cost more vs the road runner as the GTX came with lots more frills than the rr as standard equipment.

 

[coronet68mx]

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[Cojohnso1]

Because the road runner with the same drivetrain would be faster.

It is alittle lighter. But not much. Setup would definitely define a one one match.

 

[BeeKool]

I strongly disagree the GTOs were the first muscle car. Just because there was a cheesy song about them doesnt make them the first.

The Max Wedge was the first Mescle Car IMO

 

[44070dart]

[QUOTE="Cojohnso1, I was thinking earlier than 63. There was a post I saw. Pick your favorite car from the year you were born. I was born in '61. And I still have a problem picking any 1961 American automobile I would say is my favorite? I'm sure there are those who have a beloved '61. But one has to agree that some years are not the best for US automotive. 1983 was another. That year was so bad corvette took the year off?[/QUOTE]

1961 Chevy Impala SS .. Your welcome

 

[44070dart]

"why GTX didn't dominate Roadrunner in sales? It couldn't be because of the "Beep Beep" horn?"

Reason Roadrunner out sold the GTX .. probably price.. I still remember a friend bought a new '68 RR 383 auto for $3031. delivered ..

 

[Dennis H]

Terms are tossed around loosely. For rexample, this is not a Pony Car to compare to the better handling on track day Stang. It is modern MUSCLE. Muscle is not Pony.

 

[44070dart]

E- body = pony car ................ Muscle car is not pony car agreed
.... = trans am car

 

[Photon440]

When I was 17 (1979) a guy with his wife and 3 little girls always came in for gas where my buddy worked pumping same. We certainly considered his car a muscle car and almost sold lottery tickets to see whom would check the oil. 1969 Chevy Impala FOUR door, sporting a 409 and 4 gear. Every much a muscle car as my Bee... oh yah, my Bee doesn't qualify here with it's little 383....

I think we're talking factory muscle here, not home built hot rods. With the 409 only lasting until 1965, someone had to have installed it in that 1969 Impala.

 

[Hey-O]

I love everything that they threw a big engine into a small car. Who doesn't like a Dart with a 383, non fastback 68 Mustang 390 GT, Firebird with a 400 or a Camaro 396. I'm a Mopar guy and love all Mopars, but, I love go fast cars!!

 

[moparnation74]

Very interesting. I have a '69 GTX. And just sold my '69 Roadrunner. (Base white 383 automatic. So not a totally fair comparison) So I had them side by side in the garage. And I still don't know why GTX didn't dominate Roadrunner in sales? It couldn't be because of the "Beep Beep" horn? Because the GTX was clearly a better car. Better interior, better suspension. Obviously the Dana rear superior to the 8 3/4. I know you can get Roadrunner with the updates. But why? Most were standard to GTX.

Where were the two based (RR/GTX) on price class? People could only get what they could afford.....

Was the Dana standard only on a GTX versus a RR?........Can you explain what made the dana a "standard" option for a GTX?........Did the RR have the same "standard" option for a dana as the GTX?

The more you have been posting/quoting me and trying to explain things about these cars....The more I see what little you know....Thats ok but your trying to prove one car better than another.....With that being said your writing off a RR versus a GTX and you don't know what options were standard and similar between the two....

 

[HT413]

...I still don't know why GTX didn't dominate Roadrunner in sales? It couldn't be because of the "Beep Beep" horn? Because the GTX was clearly a better car...

There’s nothing to figure out. It sold better because people simply didn’t agree with your ***-essment. Which I see happens a lot.

...lose the narcissist act.

Nailed it.

 

[dadsbee]

I think we're talking factory muscle here, not home built hot rods. With the 409 only lasting until 1965, someone had to have installed it in that 1969 Impala.

Was NEVER a Chevy fan! LOL. Thinking about it, it was probably a 396 and 4 gear. Bench seat and all. Was still a COOL car in the day.

 

[Ironbuilt]

Awesome reply. So you are a scholar? Good to know.

The middle finger was in response to you insulting my car, and the hundreds of members on this great forum that own 62-65 B Bodies.
As for your "assessment" of the term "Muscle Car", you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The GTO, while not my car preference, was a decent car. The first "Muscle Car", I think NOT!!! The GTO was Pontiacs effort to defeat the early Max Wedge and Hemi cars. It failed in doing so, only the Government and it's burdensome regulations could defeat Ma Mopar.
As for the Corvette, it never was, nor will it ever be considered a "Muscle Car". It was simply put, a poor man's sports car. Made for the guy who couldn't afford a Porsche or a Ferrari. Especially the late 60's and early 70's versions. They were uncomfortable to sit in, awkward to get in and out of and handled like CRAP!! I'll take a Porsche over a plastic Chevy any day.
I see that you're new here, continue insulting a large portion of the members here, and your stay will not be a very pleasant one.

 

[coronet68mx]

The middle finger was in response to you insulting my car, and the hundreds of members on this great forum that own 62-65 B Bodies.
As for your "assessment" of the term "Muscle Car", you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The GTO, while not my car preference, was a decent car. The first "Muscle Car", I think NOT!!! The GTO was Pontiacs effort to defeat the early Max Wedge and Hemi cars. It failed in doing so, only the Government and it's burdensome regulations could defeat Ma Mopar.
As for the Corvette, it never was, nor will it ever be considered a "Muscle Car". It was simply put, a poor man's sports car. Made for the guy who couldn't afford a Porsche or a Ferrari. Especially the late 60's and early 70's versions. They were uncomfortable to sit in, awkward to get in and out of and handled like CRAP!! I'll take a Porsche over a plastic Chevy any day.
I see that you're new here, continue insulting a large portion of the members here, and your stay will not be a very pleasant one.

I still like your car bro

 

[Dennis H]

On the Vettes, man they rode like a buckboard in the 60’s 70’s. Coronet has the comfort of a Caddy by comparison. Rode in a 66 and a 78 (180 hp no balls) Anniversary.

 

[KENTON]

Corvette? I believe Muscle car was born because of the Corvette? "Working man's Sports car." Along with some of the European sports cars that were coming into US market.

The Corvette was born because of the Nash Healey. 6 cylinder 2 seat sports car. Only lasted a couple of years, but you can clearly see the resemblance.

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[gdrill]

So all GTX’s came with Dana’s?