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Regarding the 49 olds, it depended on how it was equipped (like any other car). A 98 with a hydro, prior to B&M, was a slug, an 88 with overdrive and lower rear gears was a rocket (pun) ship in comparison.
If your definition of a muscle car is a light body, with the biggest, most horsepower engine stuffed in it, I have heard that the 38 Buick has a claim.
The Century had the Special body (basically a Chevy with Buick styling cues, )and the roadmaster/Limited engine. It was the fastest thing on the road pre-ww2, and held a class record in nhra for 25 years.
Contrary to what Pontiac guys think, ther are lots of candidates for first muscle car, it just depends on YOUR definition.
 
Ironbuilt said:
If you can build a GTX "red carpet" for $40,000, I think that Justin, aka @moparnation74 would like your secrets.
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That just proves my point. $40k is not enough. It's crazy. I guess I should like the fact prices keep going up. But it's getting rediculas. And yes. I understand a decent build and concourse level builds are two different things.
 
Ironbuilt said:
When you get a chance, read this thread.
https://www.forbbodiesonly.com/mopa...e-for-my-father-my-69-gtx-restoration.127388/

Quite possibly the finest GTX in existence...PERIOD!!!
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Yes. That car is definitely a gem. And there is something about the GTX. As you can tell from my posts I didn't have the same passion for the Roadrunner. Although Roadrunner lovers sure do. This is my 2nd GTX. My first I had to sell to buy a mini van when my 4th child in 5 years was born. But I knew I had to one day rectify that loss. Thus 69 GTX part 2. Simular build and shape. But definitely a different personality. The story of the black GTX rings to me because my dad also passed from Renal kidney cancer. But my dad didn't have the passion for the muscle part. He liked his cars BIG. My first memory was his 57 cadillac. I think my first apartment was smaller. But if it wasn't the size of an aircraft carrier? It wasn't an automobile in his world.

My kids don't have alot of interest in cars and racing. They don't mind doing some pit duties. But I can't get them to sit in the seat. If my dad had race Mopars and begging for me to drive? I would still be living at home. But to each their own. from a scale of 0-6 (Where 0 or 6 doesn't exist. So all builds are in between.) That car is definitely 5.0+ Mine? 3.3. (It's a scale I use.) I wonder what that Black GTX would fetch? $60k? (Which I'm sure is not for sale.)
 
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Cojohnso1 said:
I JUST HAD THE TWO SITTING SIDE BY SIDE. WTF are you talking about? You couldn't even get the 383 in a GTX. Heavier Torsion bars, heavier leafs only came to Roadrunner with the A31 Package (3.91:1 suregrip) The GTX definitely had better interior with more insulation standard 150 seedo. In fact GTX was made before Roadrunner. GTX is not Roadrunners upscaled cousin. Roadrunner was a downgraded GTX. Base models? It's not a fair comparison. And I think you know that.
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Why did you not answer my questions? Then you deflect to something else that was told to you earlier in this thread about available engines......Which you had ZERO clue about....

Are you saying road runners only upgrade package was the A31 only? Are you also saying there was no performance options for the 383 RR?

More "insulation" where?....

The RR sold a bazillion for obvious reasons and fueled tons of money to Ma Mopar and kept the other styles afloat.....Again dont forget the truth.....

Crap do you even know what kept chargers afloat? Guess the "white hat" special in 69 was a waste of time for Chrysler.....

Do you even know what was the base charger? What was the standard engine in a base charger? Or is the base Charger in your core knowledge an RT?:popcorn2:
 
I have been browsing though old magazines for the words/term ''Muscle Car'' an found this so far. Just trying to date the phrase.
MOTOR TREND OCTOBER 1969 page 67
From the USAC wars, former national champion Don White wings in to blast the 1970 Charger R/T around the highbank Michigan circuit. His opinion...''A great muscle car for all-purpose driving...and it's even got a functional back seat.''
 
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moparnation74 said:
Why did you not answer my questions? Then you deflect to something else that was told to you earlier in this thread about available engines......Which you had ZERO clue about....

Are you saying road runners only upgrade package was the A31 only? Are you also saying there was no performance options for the 383 RR?

More "insulation" where?....

The RR sold a bazillion for obvious reasons and fueled tons of money to Ma Mopar and kept the other styles afloat.....Again dont forget the truth.....

Crap do you even know what kept chargers afloat? Guess the "white hat" special in 69 was a waste of time for Chrysler.....

Do you even know what was the base charger? What was the standard engine in a base charger? Or is the base Charger in your core knowledge an RT?:popcorn2:
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My post was saying comparing a base RR to a base GTX is not a fair comparison. If you believe they are? Then I suggest putting them side by side and take notes. And as far as Charger? No. I have never owned a Dodge. And yes I know they are basically the same. And a prejudice for Plymouths is stupid. But 20 years ago I noticed. I have never owned a Dodge? Lots of Plymouths. So I stayed on that premise. Again, there is little to no logic to that theme. But nobody said classic car love is logical?
 
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Cojohnso1 said:
My post was saying comparing a base RR to a base GTX is not a fair comparison. If you believe they are? Then I suggest putting them side by side and take notes. And as far as Charger? No. I have never owned a Dodge. And yes I know they are basically the same. And a prejudice for Plymouths is stupid. But 20 years ago I noticed. I have never owned a Dodge? Lots of Plymouths. So I stayed on that premise. Again, there is little to no logic to that theme. But nobody said classic car love is logical?
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Your just upset because you cannot answer my basic questions because you simply lack the core knowledge.........Your postings have clearly shown such........Then you try to be a know it all to "muscle cars":fool:

Shall we talk wheel options, lol......:popcorn2:
 
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Get some rest and we can start again!!
 
Can't wait for Spring...
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moparnation74 said:
Then I'm lost on the purist aspect.......

On a related note....Here is the Baddest of all C bodies......I wish they made more of them but this is C body MUSCLE at its finest....Yes, it was produced by Chrysler and only a few GT's with six packs were made...


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Couldn't agree more, there's one that shows up at shows in my neck of the woods that is a real head turner. Great looking cars
 
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Long But Interesting

Year Model Eng Trans Axle HP Torque 0-60 Quarter Mile Source
1962 Dodge Dart 413 413 3.91 410@5600 470@3600 5.8 14.4@101 mph MT 8/62

1962 Dodge Ramcharger 413 n/a 410@5400 460@4400 5.3 [email protected] Car Life 6/62

1962 Dodge Ramcharger 413 n/a 410@5400 460@4400 5.8 14.4@101mph MT 8/62

1962 Pontiac Grand Prix SD 421 4.30 405@5600 425@4400 5.4 13.9@107mph MT 5/62

1963 Chevrolet Impala SS 409 n/a 409@6000 420@4000 6.3 14.9@98mph MT 7/63

1963 Dodge Ramcharger 426 Factory Racer 426 4.56 425@5600 480@4400 n/a 12.00@117mph MCR 1987 Annual

1963 Ford Galaxie 500 406 n/a 405@5800 444@3400 7.0 15.3@93mph Car Life 3/62

1963 Pontiac Grand Prix SD 421 n/a 405@5600 425@4000 6.0 14.3@103mph Car Life 3/62

1964 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 283 3.08 220@4800 295@3200 8.5 16.6 no trap speed C&D 11/63

1964 Dodge 426 Hemi 426 n/a 425@6000 480@4600 n/a 11.40@125mph MCR no date

1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt 427 427 n/a 425@6000 480@3700 n/a [email protected] B.Leal at 1964 NHRA Nats

1964 Plymouth Belvedere 426 Wedge 426 3.91 365@4800 470@3200 6.8 [email protected] MT 1/64

1964 Pontiac GTO 389 3.23 325@4800 428@3200 6.9 [email protected] R&T 3/64

1964 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 3.23 348@4900 428@3600 5.7 [email protected] R&T 3/64

1965 Buick Grand Sport 401 3.36 325@4400 445@2800 6.8 [email protected] C&D 1966

1965 Buick Grand Sport 401 3.36 325@4400 445@2800 7.8 16.6@86mph MT 5/65

1965 Dodge Coronet 426 Street Wedge 426 3.55 365@4800 470@3200 7.9 15.4@89mph Car Life 5/65

1965 Dodge Coronet Hemi 426 3.54 425@5000 490@4000 5.3 13.8@104mph C&D no date

1965 Dodge Dart GT 273 3.23 235@5200 280@4000 8.2 16.9@87mph C&D 2/65

1965 Ford Mustang 289 Hi Po 289 4.11 271@6000 312@3400 7.5 15.7@89mph Sports Car Graphic 8/64

1965 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-350 289 3.89 306@6000 329@4200 6.5 14.9@95mph C&D 5/65

1965 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 330 3.23 345@5200 355@3600 7.8 15.5@84mph Car Life 5/65

1965 Plymouth Barracuda 273 3.23 180@4200 260@1600 9.1 [email protected] C&D 10/64

1965 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 4.11 360@5200 424@3600 5.8 14.5@100mph Car Life 5/65

1966 Buick Gran Sport 401 n/a 325@4400 445@2800 7.6 [email protected] MT 12/67

1966 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 396 3.65 360@5200 420@3600 6.0 [email protected] mph C&D 3/66

1966 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 396 3.65 360@5600 420@3600 6.0 [email protected] C&D 3/96

1966 Chevrolet Nova SS (L79) 327 3.31 350@5800 360@3600 7.2 15.1@93 mph Car Life 1966

1966 Chevrolet Nova SS L79 327 3.31 350@5800 360@3600 7.2 15.1@93 mph Car Life 1966

1966 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-350 289 3.89 400@6000est n/a 6.2 14.0@92mph Car Life 7/66

1966 Nova SS L79 327 3 spd 3.73 350@5800 360@3600 7.2 15.1@93 mph Car Life 5/66

1966 Oldmobile 4-4-2 ( Tri Power setup) 400 n/a 360@5000 440@3600 n/a [email protected] MT 6/66

1966 Oldmobile 4-4-2 ( Tri Power setup) 400 360@5000 440@3600 n/a 14.8@97mph Car Life 8/66

1966 Plymouth Barracuda 273 3.23 235@5200 280@4000 9.1 17.6@81mph C&D 6/66

1966 Pontiac GTO 389 3.08 335@5000 431@3200 6.8 15.4@92mph Car Life 5/66

1966 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 4 spd 3.55 360@5200 424@3600 n/a [email protected] MCR Feb/Mar 1996

1966 Pontiac GTO ( Tri Power) 389 n/a 360@5200 424@3600 7.0 [email protected] MCR 6/95

1966 Pontiac GTO Tri Power 389 3.55 360@5200 424@3600 6.5 14.05@105mph C&D 3/66
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Well the 65 Goat might have been dubbed the first muscle car, but the 62 413 cars had much bigger muscles than any GTO on this list. And only a tried and true GM fella would argue that point.
 
KENTON said:
Well the 65 Goat might have been dubbed the first muscle car, but the 62 413 cars had much bigger muscles than any GTO on this list. And only a tried and true GM fella would argue that point.
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I agree. The tri-power 389 was all Pontiac had at the time. And was no match for many of the early 60s beasts. But I still believe they started a whole new class. (Well, unofficially.)
 
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The Mercury Cyclone does fit the bill for a Muscle car. Purposefully built to compete with the other midsized. No 4-door option in years slotted. And with a Boss 429 option in 70 to their GT?
 
op is random and all over the place.
mexican superbees,roadrunners gtx -s and pontiacs...
honestly,it does look like you are trolling for effect and not for our honest thoughts on the cars.
how the fudge did this get to 9 pages sheesh.
 
That was true from jump street and only got worse. Imo
 
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