My BUDGET 451 build... finally

[69 GTX]

You just hook up a second brake light switch switch to your pedal, put a toggle switch in the circuit so it only works when you want. So when your foot is on the brake the 2 step is active. Foot on brake, floor it, hits 2 step, let off brake and away you go. Same principal we used on motor cycles only using a switch on clutch lever. You can use it on your clutch lever if you have a stick car.

 

[HT413]

You just hook up a second brake light switch switch to your pedal, put a toggle switch in the circuit so it only works when you want. So when your foot is on the brake the 2 step is active. Foot on brake, floor it, hits 2 step, let off brake and away you go. Same principal we used on motor cycles only using a switch on clutch lever. You can use it on your clutch lever if you have a stick car.

Huh. Damn that sounds like a pretty trick setup.

 

[69 GTX]

Wish I could take credit for the idea but I borrowed it.

 

[HT413]

Some interesting news on the motor. Turns out the pistons are 0.003 ABOVE the deck. I knew the block was decked when I bought it, but I was told it was jus a cleanup. I think stock deck height would have left it 0.017 below if I recall. So instead of wrestling with just shy of 11:1 compression, we took a conservative line and went with some Cometic 0.060 gaskets. Back down under 10.5:1 and maybe on the high side for quench. Ah well, still a killer deal. Always an adventure.

On a positive note, decided to have the crank polished and the machinist got all misty on how straight the crank is and how nicely it was machined. Even brought his son into the room to show him "how it should be done".

 

[69 GTX]

Did you already have your cam picked out? You could get rid of some psi with cam timing.

 

[HT413]

Well lookey here. My parts done growed into an engine.

 

[GrabberOrange69]

Nice! Always good to see progress, isn't it? I can hear it thumping now!

 

[Burns69RT]

Well lookey here. My parts done growed into an engine.

View attachment 305383

And thanks to you, look what your old parts done grown lol
https://vimeo.com/154182419

 

[HT413]

Nice! Always good to see progress, isn't it? I can hear it thumping now!

Thanks, man, yeah I'm super stoked. Picking it up next week!

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And thanks to you, look what your old parts done grown lol

Damn that sounds great! Man I'm super stoked to see that video, thanks for posting it. I just showed the wife and her friend and they said it sounded like the motor was growling lol.

 

[Burns69RT]

Thanks man I appreciate it! I must give credit to the Lunati voodoo cam that's in her

 

[HT413]

Getting closer - just waiting on Smith Brothers pushrods and she's coming home to daddy.

Since this is a budget build, I've been meaning to update you guys on the budget. I'll say this - off the top of my head I'd say I'm over my projected $3500. However the money spent over budget was spent well, as there were a few areas where cheaping out would have hurt the build and my fun level. Id say that I held true to the intent though. I'll post up some numbers soon.




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Money spent
$1200 balanced rotating assembly, machined block, rings, RPM intake
$1000 440source heads
$ 75 ductile iron rockers (mopar performance)
$ 150 440source 7qt oil pan and pickup
$ 50 Windage tray, oil pump drive
$ 40 440 source double roller timing set
$ 220 cam and lifters
$ 200 bearings, gaskets freeze plugs
$ 280 ceramic coated Flotech headers (bought them from a friend who couldn't use them)
$240 cometic 0.060 gaskets
$100 440 source damper
$150 440 source water pump housing, billet water neck, nipples, t-stat, gaskets
$ 85 Melling high volume oil pump
$ 140 Smith brothers pushrods
$600 Dynamic converter
$280 cope rev manual valve body
$30 front and rear trans seals
$ 50 misc bolts ("better than grade 8" from the darling bolt company, bought through Allensfasteners.com)
$ 20 MP dipstick tube
$ 180 Firecore distributor
$ 80 polish the crank journals
$ 70 Mini starter


....more to come....

 

[HT413]

Looks like I'm pretty close:

$4240 into the motor
-$550 in parts sold off of the 413
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$3690 out of pocket into the motor

plus $1000 into the trans with converter, vb and seals.

I'd say not bad, considering.

 

[dvw]

Looks like I'm pretty close:

$4240 into the motor
-$550 in parts sold off of the 413
--------
$3690 out of pocket into the motor

plus $1000 into the trans with converter, vb and seals.

I'd say not bad, considering.

I like it!
Doug

 

[rrTor-Red]

Looks great. I'm going to need a starter soon. What kind did you get? Was told a starter for a '99-2005(?) Dodge Ram would work.

Just curious.

 

[HT413]

Looks great. I'm going to need a starter soon. What kind did you get? Was told a starter for a '99-2005(?) Dodge Ram would work.

Just curious.

I took a chance on one from DB electrical. Looked identical to 440 source plus a couple of other aftermarket brands, so i figured what the heck.

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I like it!
Doug

Thanks, Doug, super stoked. Under $10 per HP. I wonder what a comparable 454 would cost. Actually, probably right about $10 / HP.

 

[69 GTX]

I would think she'd make 400 hp easy!

 

[66Satellite47]

HT, your build does look great. I went through the whole thread again. I built 2 low deck 440 motors back in the '80's. Very different from what you are shooting for. I'd bet you'll about at around 500 Hp at the crank with great torque. Did you do any bowl porting? With stock iron heads that was critical, but that's the old days. With the 440 Source heads I'm sure not so much. My EDE Performers looked pretty good in the bowls, but I'm not sure what the original builder had done. My low deck motors worked great for my drag race application at time. But I really did over extend the design limits of the motors. In those days I ran WAY TOO MUCH RPM. 7200 -7400. However the only thing I ever broke was I found a broken main cap at the end of one race season. The motor was still running fine. Probably not long for the world though! Your piece for a mostly street driven car, that should work fantastic. Keep us up to date.

 

[HT413]

Wow that's awesome 66; if it can survive 7400 rpm then it will sure love the 5800 rpm redline I just programmed into my MSD. no I didn't touch the heads at all other than having them gone through before running them. I figured that I really wanted a true baseline for the setup. Then if I decide I want more, I'll rethink a few things and have the heads worked over then.

HT, your build does look great. I went through the whole thread again. I built 2 low deck 440 motors back in the '80's. Very different from what you are shooting for. I'd bet you'll about at around 500 Hp at the crank with great torque. Did you do any bowl porting? With stock iron heads that was critical, but that's the old days. With the 440 Source heads I'm sure not so much. My EDE Performers looked pretty good in the bowls, but I'm not sure what the original builder had done. My low deck motors worked great for my drag race application at time. But I really did over extend the design limits of the motors. In those days I ran WAY TOO MUCH RPM. 7200 -7400. However the only thing I ever broke was I found a broken main cap at the end of one race season. The motor was still running fine. Probably not long for the world though! Your piece for a mostly street driven car, that should work fantastic. Keep us up to date.

 

[747mopar]

Wow that's awesome 66; if it can survive 7400 rpm then it will sure love the 5800 rpm redline I just programmed into my MSD. no I didn't touch the heads at all other than having them gone through before running them. I figured that I really wanted a true baseline for the setup. Then if I decide I want more, I'll rethink a few things and have the heads worked over then.

I'm thinking you might be changing that rev limit? My 451 even though is supposed to peak at 5,800 loves a bit more rev, I shift at 6,000 rpm even with a mild cam...... it's a fun street motor.

 

[HT413]

I'm thinking you might be changing that rev limit? My 451 even though is supposed to peak at 5,800 loves a bit more rev, I shift at 6,000 rpm even with a mild cam...... it's a fun street motor.

Haha, yeah maybe I was a little over protective of my baby.