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Your cornering the market on red B body survivor cars these days!
Sounds like it might have been a modified seat foam insert - "C65 Air Foam Front Seat"
Ref: 69to71OptCodes.PDF (blackhillsmopars.org)
Y21 - "Special Headers" may refer to the pay grade of the employee that car was made for - original owner might have been a Junior Exec type, or higher in Chrysler.....just throwing the idea out there.
The original owner was a Chrysler employee. I don't know whether he worked for a dealership or at a plant, but I will find out.
When I bought the red 64 Savoy SS clone a couple of years ago, I felt guilty & thought that one had to go, so I chose the white Road Runner. Submit told me that I didn't need to sell it & looking back, I should have listened to her. The reality is that I should never had bought the Savoy to begin with and when I sold the Savoy last summer, my search for another suitable 69 post car began. I do think that this car more than makes up for the loss of the white one.
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Reminds me of one of those questions I always have for folks who participate in our hobby:
- There are those who form personal affinities for their cars, "attachments" if you will - and
some for readily apparent reasons, whether personal history with a given car or what have you...
but there's almost an irrational fondness there, much like an emotional attachment.
- Then there are those who see the cars at face value - they're machines, nothing more, albeit
attractive machines - to be bought, sold, traded, collected and perhaps even driven in the manner
in which they were intended, guilt-free.
This type doesn't form personal attachments to the cars - which means they can horse trade a lot
easier, too.
(Obviously, I'm one of the former types, rather than the latter....you couldn't pry Fred away from me
with a crowbar, for example.)
Now, the question (and maybe I should have started another thread for this; apologies):
Do you suppose one type of hobbyist gets more personal satisfaction out of the hobby than the other?
Is one type of owner somehow more "valid" than the other in the eyes of fellow enthusiasts?
Or (as I've come to a preliminary conclusion)...does it boil down to simply the personality type of
each individual?
I don't think there's a "right" answer, understand...
- There are those who form personal affinities for their cars, "attachments" if you will - and
some for readily apparent reasons, whether personal history with a given car or what have you...
but there's almost an irrational fondness there, much like an emotional attachment.
- Then there are those who see the cars at face value - they're machines, nothing more, albeit
attractive machines - to be bought, sold, traded, collected and perhaps even driven in the manner
in which they were intended, guilt-free.
This type doesn't form personal attachments to the cars - which means they can horse trade a lot
easier, too.
(Obviously, I'm one of the former types, rather than the latter....you couldn't pry Fred away from me
with a crowbar, for example.)
Now, the question (and maybe I should have started another thread for this; apologies):
Do you suppose one type of hobbyist gets more personal satisfaction out of the hobby than the other?
Is one type of owner somehow more "valid" than the other in the eyes of fellow enthusiasts?
Or (as I've come to a preliminary conclusion)...does it boil down to simply the personality type of
each individual?
I don't think there's a "right" answer, understand...
About 5 years ago my friend saw an ad on the local Craigslist titled,junk,junk,and more junk. One of the things listed was a 69 Road Runner. So he replied to the ad expecting to find a clapped out New England rustbucket 383 car. The yard was littered with scrap,like old washers,dryers,refridgerators,and junk cars. Under a collapsed metal carport was a F5 green 69 Road Runner that the owner of the property purchased new in 69. Once he pushed the carport off the car,he saw the Hemi lettering on the hood, He opened the hood and sure enough,sat a dual quad 426 Hemi,complete,except for the air cleaner. Inside the post coupe he found a base black bench seat interior,with the only options being a factory tach,and a Hurst 4 speed stick shifter. The car was original right down to the steel wheels,and dog dish hubcaps. He called me and said the trip was a waste of time,and the car was junk,like the ad said! I said junk,he replied,yep the fifth digit of the VIN is J and J stands for junk right! I couldn't believe what he was telling me! I told him that is a once in a lifetime find,I don't care if you have to sleep there,don't leave that property without that car! He went to town hall,tracked down the owners of the property,who were selling the car via the tennant,and closed the deal with them that day,and took the car home with him. The car is a borderline survivor. With two V code cars being restored,and the impending need to build a new garage to store his cars in,my friend sold the find of a lifetime to two brothers who did a mechanical restoration to the car,and cleaned the car up as best as possible. If not for a few rust spots on the lower quarterpanels and the lower corners of the back window,the car would be a survivor caliber car. My friend was glad the brothers decided to preserve the car as it was. That was a main reason he let the car go. He couldn't make the decision on wether to restore the car or not,plus he prefers the 70 model over the 69. He just finished the restoration on his 70 V code GTX. 69 Road Runner survivor cars are a rare find,as most of them led a very hard life. Congrats again on your survivor find Mark!
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Pictures of the Craigslist find Road Runner at the Lebanon Valley Dragway Mopar show, after the brothers got the car cleaned up and running. The car had people around it all day. It got a lot more attention than the restored cars did!
The 70 V code GTX my friend just finished.
You can see by this bracket that the black paint was sprayed up from the bottom....
I fully expect to see those two red b bodies in the survivor tent at Carlisle this year! No excuses,make it happen!
I'll take a SWAG at the sticker:
C65 is pretty self explanatory- VERY SELDOM SEEN extra seat foam
( large/ heavy individual ordered this car) and knew the standard seat wouldn't hold up.
Y21 coincides with Y28 special instructions for a company car order.
JURA here's the SWAG -
Junior Executive Regional Affiliate?
followed by an E # was probably his employee number.
Again just a guess
Oh, and locate a date code correct alternator Mark
I would soooo want to get in there and make it pretty, but don't do it!
You lucky bastard
C65 is pretty self explanatory- VERY SELDOM SEEN extra seat foam
( large/ heavy individual ordered this car) and knew the standard seat wouldn't hold up.
Y21 coincides with Y28 special instructions for a company car order.
JURA here's the SWAG -
Junior Executive Regional Affiliate?
followed by an E # was probably his employee number.
Again just a guess
Oh, and locate a date code correct alternator Mark
I would soooo want to get in there and make it pretty, but don't do it!
You lucky bastard
That cushy seat is going to workout perfect for Mark,he watches those Charmin enjoy the go commericals on continous loop.
6PKRTSE
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Nice score. I like it.
rarefish
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Actually the "Red Charger" has been to Carlisle in the survivor tent on three different occasions. As I recall, that was in 2007, 2008 and 2011.
A couple pictures from underneath today. Looks like the front suspension is all original, but they must have taken the center link out to put the headers in. I see four new cotter pins. The U joints are original as are the shocks.
Notice the dab of black paint under the bolt...
I was assuming that the fuel pump was original with the flaking orange paint, but looking at it from underneath, I'm not so sure.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
There is coolant leaking from the header bolts and the left side exhaust pipe is rubbing against the frame and e brake cable, and the pipers are all welded. So I think I'll order up a complete repro exhaust system & exhaust manifold hardware on Monday.
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