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Never was a big fan of Ali.......

Cranky

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Yeah, he could fight but I was always for his opponent :D Years ago I read an interview in Playboy but really didn't understand why he said some of the stuff he did. About a year ago I was cleaning out some old Hot Rod mags and ran across some old Plaboy stuff that I had saved for some reason. I also found the same interview on the net. Y'all know he because a Muslim, right?

Here's a piece of it....from https://vk.com/topic-29336085_26889291?offset=0

ALI: America don't have no future! America's going to be destroyed! Allah's going to divinely chastise America! Violence, crimes, earthquakes—there's gonna be all kinds of trouble. America's going to pay for all its lynchings and killings of slaves and what it's done to black people. America's day is over—and if it doesn't do justice to the black man and separate, it gonna burn! I'm not the leader, so I can't tell you how the separation will take place or whether it will happen in my lifetime or not, but I believe there's a divine force that will make it happen. I wish I could make it happen, but I can't—Allah will. It took the white men 500 years after they got here to get this country the way they want it, it took a lot of time and work, and it's gonna take us time and work. And if it takes 1000 years, well, the world is millions of years old, and 1000 years can be regarded as a day in the history of the world; so according to time, it's just around the corner.

And it'll happen, because it's right that black people should have their own nation. God bless the child that has his own—Christians teach that. Well, we don't have nothin 'that's our own. If white men decide to close their grocery stores tomorrow, black people will starve to death. We're tired of being slaves and never having nothing. We're tired of being servants and waiting till we die and go to heaven before we get anything. We want something while we're living. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad has passed on physically, but his message is still with us: Muslims will never be satisfied with integration and all the little jobs and promises black people get. We want our own nation. We're 25 million black people—there's a lot of Negroes in America, you know? Man, there's only about 10 million people in Cuba, and when they tell America to stay out, America stays out. They're just a few million, but they got their own nation and can get away with it. Nigerians and Ghanians have their own country. When I rode through Zaire and looked at their little flag and watched them doing their little dances, hey, it was their own country. But we're a whole nation of slaves still in bondage to white people. We worked 300 years to make this country rich and fought for it in the Japanese war, the German war, the Korean war—in all the wars—and we still don't have nothing! So now, since they don't need cotton pickers 'cause machines can do it, and since we're walkin' the streets and multiplying, and there are no jobs for us—why not separate? Why not say, "OK, slave, we don't need you no more for picking cotton"?

(The part about women is interesting too.....)

Muslims, though, live their religion—we ain't hypocrites. We submit entirely to Allah's will. We don't eat ham, bacon or pork. We don't smoke. And everybody knows that we honor our women. You can see our sisters on the street from 10 miles away, their white dresses dragging along the ground. Young women in this society parade their bodies in all them freak clothes—miniskirts and pants suits—but our women don't wear them. A woman who's got a beautiful body covers it up and humbles herself to Allah and also turns down all the modern conveniences. Nobody else do that but Muslim women. You hear about Catholic sisters—but they do a lot of screwing behind doors. Ain't nobody gonna believe a woman gonna go all her life and say, "I ain't never had a man," and is happy. She be crazy. That's against nature. And a priest saying he'd never touch a woman—that's against nature, too. What's he gonna do at night? Call upon the hand of the Lord?

The whole interview is a long read but it'll give you what I think is a better insight of 'the man'....yeah, he could fight tho.
 
Well thankfully there are tons of educated African Americans that don't share his idiotic point of views.
 
Taking political direction from a superstar athlete is like taking morality lessons from a whore.
 
And there are plenty that DO, unfortunately.
 
loved to watch him fight, but thought he was a dick and maybe a hypocrite using religion as a means to justify the cause.
What do you guys think about his stand against being drafted for Vietnam?
 
WOW, somebody actually reads the articles!
 
Its odd he makes mention of black men fighting wars then he dodges the draft.
 
man has committed crimes against man since the stone ages and before. has nothing to do with race, religion, sex, ......

Ali... a true hiprocrit.....
 
The "Gorilla from Manila"

I watched almost everyone of his fights back in the day. Hard hitting for sure in his early days. Humorous interviews with Howard Cosell. Even knocked Howard's toupee off once. Embarrassing moment back then!

Ali always talked Muslim and everyone knew he followed this religion. It was no big thing because it wasn't related to terrorism like it is today.
 
I for one like and respect Ali. Not just the fighter but the man as well. During the earlier stages of his career he was young and foolish and under the control of the black Muslims. I don't condone what he says in that playboy interview, but he's changed a lot over the years and has become a great humanitarian. Ali is one of the most respected men in the world. The fact that he's a Muslim shouldn't make us judge him harshly.
 
the POS is paying for his BIG mouth......poor bastard has the shakes so bad....


& how does he know the good sisters...."Catholic sisters they do a lot of screwing behind doors".....c'clay is an asshole.



JMO
 
Didn't Cassius Clay "allegedly" only convert to Islam
also change his name in the late 60's to Mohammad Ali
When he got his # called to go to selective services/draft board,
basically he did it just to avoid being drafted ? going to Viet Nam ?
"allegedly" Buddied up with Louis Farrakhan & Malcom X, to stop his being daft-ed...
Because it bought him a lame religious objection, conscientious objector argument BS
They stripped him of his titles for a time too IIRC

He was a hell of a Boxer thou, loved the Foreman & Fraizer fights
Thrilla In Manila & Rumble in the Jungle
I saw them both @ the drive in theater...

hasn't been a decent Heavy Weight match since...
 
Here's my message for Allah. ....I like watching Ali fight thou. He was good.
 
I am glad Ken Norton broke his jaw and shut him up for a while. Iron Mike would have hurt him and Rocky Marciano would have hurt him bad. Ali was not the greatest but had the biggest mouth.
 
Ali was one of the very best boxers in history
he took on all comers
not like the pussy boxers today that pick out all their opponents
then they go around and brag how great they are being undefeated.
as for his politics he was a hypocrite d bag
that still doesn't take away what he did in the ring..
 
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