Opinions on the subject of " Stolen Valor"

[super-bee_ski]

We'd fly into Oceana and drop off "the tapes" from a Rocket Launch out of Wallops Island
Mid 80s up to 97ish

Yeah, Oceana was a Dream place!

 

[monaco66coupe]

What is troubling is I hear the same complaints today from friends in the military, that the newest group are generally a bunch of crybabies that need to be babysat all the time. They Volunteered to get the benefits, but they are poorly motivated, and the system is stacked politically. This sounds nothing like the USAF I was in. Most of my friends are getting out, or retiring.
I would like to clarify this view is of USAF Personnel, and I have less contact with Navy or Army personnel.

 

[patrick66]

I retired from the AF after just over 20 years. Loved it, but couldn't wait to retire. The PC-ness had already set in by 1999, and pretty much started right after the 1991 Navy Tailhook scandal, service-wide. These days, you don't dare say anything to anyone...you might hurt their feelings and "offend" them. It is a scary scene anymore. I know a lot of NCOs that were young airmen when I retired, that are ready to bail. It isn't like it used to be, that is for certain.

Back to the uniform thing...I gave my flight suits away recently after having dug them out of an old storage bag that had other clothes in it. Tried one on, just for giggles. Nope, don't fit. Guess they shrunk in storage! LOL!

BUT, my old-style desert camo pants fit great! I wear those around when I'm out in the shop, or mowing the pasture, or whatever. I'll even wear them when I go to the big-box store for stuff, or the parts store. Never caught **** from anyone about that, ever. If someone is wearing an old set of camo pants, or a flight jacket by itself, I'll never say a word...because face it, all that stuff is available from numerous sources. But when some dillhole like I showed you in that picture tries something stupid and I see it, yeah, I'm gonna give the guy/girl **** over it! It's one thing to wear an old uniform item WITHOUT insignia, but quite another to wear a complete uniform (especially flight suits, shirts, and anything with rank attached) with the accourtrements unless it's for a funeral or a special observance, AND by the person that EARNED the right to wear that uniform!

 

[monaco66coupe]

In recent conversations with active duty people, the consensus is in a really down and dirty conflict the first 100,000 casualties will be these deadbeats. Then, the Gov't will realize they need real Military people, and call them all back. Sad state of affairs it is.
After reading what I wrote, I would like to add that back in the 67-73 era The vast majority of Volunteers in the USAF and Navy were there because of a low draft number, and would rather spend four years in the two services, then 2 years in the Infantry. That is not to say good men weren't in the Army, they just chose to take the risk, to get out in two years. I was 17, and the average age in basic was 25. They were college grads, but were still drafted. So, That is how it was.

 

[BeatersRus]

i signed up in 85 got out in 93,and they tried like hell in 2000 to get me to come back.
even tried throwing a 24k resign bonus at me.
i refused,as i was raising my daughter by then,and im glad i did.
looking back now,that was a path change,
as i never would have been able to own all the cars i have,if i had chosen to re-enlist.
and my kiddo Deffo wouldnt have had the love and care that i provided by being there for her.

also,my last year was spent training Ng newbies...
i could see back then what you guys are talking about now.
what happened to all the Real soldiers??

also,in my opinion.....<<
these jackoffs that dress up and play former military are Offensive to me.
we did what we had to do,and some of us didnt make it home either.
so these putrid sacks should be exposed whenever possible,because they have No Honor.
nothing more than attention whores.
again,just my opinion.

 

[monaco66coupe]

I support that view 100%.I had the opportunity to return full time in 1975 and 1979. Some of my fellow crewmembers were killed during the Mayaguez Rescue in may of 75', as they were a part of the 20th SO group(Southern Command) If I had stayed, My kids likely would not be here today. I think of them all the time. Sometimes things work out in an unexpected way,,,,,,,,,,,,

As a point of Humor, I remember training Panamanian helicopter Mechanics, and the Biggest security A....hole with the group was a young Captain by the name of Manuel Noreiga.

 

[Bruzilla]

The vast majority of Volunteers in the USAF and Navy were there because of a low draft number, and would rather spend four years in the two services, then 2 years in the Infantry.

That's how John Kerry ended up in the Navy. That guy did everything he could to avoid service, and when he got drafted into the Army he knew he couldn't go to Canada if he ever wanted his shot at politics. So he joined the Navy instead.

What's always interested me is what Kerry did while in the Navy to get ordered to the riverine Navy in Vietnam. He had the perfect job for a guy like him, assistant engineering officer on a destroyer. Then wham... he gets transferred to the swift boats, which was a force made out of hardcore volunteers and ******** being punished, and Kerry was no hardcore volunteer. I suspect the answer to my question is why Kerry has never released his service records.

 

[super-bee_ski]

What is troubling is I hear the same complaints today from friends in the military, that the newest group are generally a bunch of crybabies that need to be babysat all the time. They Volunteered to get the benefits, but they are poorly motivated, and the system is stacked politically. This sounds nothing like the USAF I was in. Most of my friends are getting out, or retiring.
I would like to clarify this view is of USAF Personnel, and I have less contact with Navy or Army personnel.

I work with Young and Older GIs every day.

I can tell you this:
1. Yes, we have some very immature young cry babies as you stated.
Sadly, the "TEMPO" here at my outfit is SLOW, due to is being "FLIGHT TEST SPECIFIC"
We FLY experiments..to advance the capabilities of the F-22, providing the warfighter the BEST and Most Advanced Air Dominance air vehicle.

Now: we have SOME Airmen (Women too) that have no idea of the Sortie Tempo experienced at Langley AFB or Nellis AFB
(30 or 40 flights per day, every day)

2. But yes, we do have some guys and gals (Airman) that work very hard. Right along side the Slackers.

I think it is prevalent in most applications/Careers...
Some work, some do not.

And yes, this is TRULY a "Kinder/Gentler" Air Force.
Undeniable.

 

[steve from staten island]

That's how John Kerry ended up in the Navy. That guy did everything he could to avoid service, and when he got drafted into the Army he knew he couldn't go to Canada if he ever wanted his shot at politics. So he joined the Navy instead.

What's always interested me is what Kerry did while in the Navy to get ordered to the riverine Navy in Vietnam. He had the perfect job for a guy like him, assistant engineering officer on a destroyer. Then wham... he gets transferred to the swift boats, which was a force made out of hardcore volunteers and ******** being punished, and Kerry was no hardcore volunteer. I suspect the answer to my question is why Kerry has never released his service records.

And you know all this as fact. I mean you remember when it all went down. Enough of your bullshit, putting people down because there political views and your's don't mix. Kerry served his country and saw combat. He was wounded whatever else you think he did does not change that. Some of the most dangerous situations one could be in was were he was and that came to me from a V.N. vet who did the very same thing. "The guy did everything he could to avoid service" But of course if he was a conservative republican you'd never make that statement. Need i point out some politicians you've thought to be great that did in fact avoid going to V.N. Political differences,not agreeing are fine,its how this country was built but if you've served and most especially if you saw combat than respect that for what it is.............. Im so had it with your nonsense i just saw your last sentence about "********" assigned to swift boats. What the **** did you do in the Navy besides being on "fire watch" while a ship was in dry dock or gee i guess Bermuda was a very tough gig. This vet i know would rip you a new asshole if you ever had the balls to say that to him. He told me little except for a few things one of which was a ship mate his closest buddy getting hit and the guy was annilaited. As in pieces of his body was all that there was left. I guess that guy was a ASSHOLE to.....

 

[patrick66]

John Kerry wrote up his own Purple Heart citations. An honorable man would never even consider doing that. Plus, when he returned from Vietnam, he testified before a House subcommittee about the war, while chucking his medals over the White House fence in spite. Kerry is not an honorable man.

 

[69a100]

John Kerry wrote up his own Purple Heart citations. An honorable man would never even consider doing that. Plus, when he returned from Vietnam, he testified before a House subcommittee about the war, while chucking his medals over the White House fence in spite. Kerry is not an honorable man.

More then that, he should be arrested for being a trader!

 

[cr8crshr]

More then that, he should be arrested for being a traitor!

Fixed it for ya Bro.

Steve...The man, Kerry, is a complete and total "TRAITOR" from the word go and a failure as Sec. of State along with his predecessor. He has lied to a Congressional Committee which is on film and can be researched to this day. His "Swift Boat Comrades" can corroborate how his actual service in Viet Nam was preformed and his true dereliction of that Duty... What galls my *** about some of the things you espouse is that you give a free pass to these clowns, idiots, and traitors that are of our generation. Yes...The Baby Boomers. If you choose to remove those "rose colored glasses" you keep wearing, you will see that the current mess we find ourselves in today is a direct result of what these individuals started back in the day. The 60's/70's Revolution. Something that I am not very proud to call myself a member of. And it was a Revolution!!! Make no mistake about it. They have now infested our Educational system and worst off all our Political system. And every day we get to see how they are systematically ruining this Country. Kerry being one of the worse with "Billery" being a close second. Both are failures yet they get the "free pass" as a blind eye is turned towards their horrible and horrific actions. Iran Treaty is a joke. Libya was a joke, The Arab Spring was a joke. Common Core and Obamacare are a total and complete joke, etc. And every where we choose to look, everything they have ever touched, has turned into a "JOKE!!!" You can spin it any way you choose Steve but you are so miss guided and really naive to think otherwise which repeatably has been shown to you on this Forum by others, including myself. Yet you continually walk the Party Lines and spout out your Party profundity which is nothing more than rubbish, conjecture, and hear say. But I can't make you change nor should I try. You are what you are and therefore will forever be an embittered and a lacking of substance individual...cr8crshr/Tuck:angryfire:

 

[69a100]

You old stoners, you just had to go and muck everything up didn't you? Oh wait, I'm not far behind.

 

[747mopar]

I am a viet nam vet. been there and did that. was spit on at the philly airport, it was not cool to be a vet at that time in history. and we were warned about wearing our uniforms while traveling home. but now it's cool to be a viet nam vet. WTF. I agree with both sides. unless you know 100% that the person is an a$$ just walk away. they will get there's at some time. I run into people with wrong ribbons and other stuff on their uniform or jacket that they wear to show off their ribbons. not happy with stolen valor but some people are just a sad piece of humanity. thank you for your service all vets. after watching some of the stolen valor videos posted by ski, these people believe what they say. how sad that they live a life through others.

I think the reasoning why you were spit on then and respected now is simple, you guys returned to a country that was self absorbed and high on everything under the sun listening to anti war rhetoric and feeling good about being a complete waste of human life! People aren't on the Hippy express anymore and realize regardless of the war you we're all sent there to do a job and a damn messy job at that. I have nothing but the upmost respect for what you guys went threw and I believe most do now days.

My favorite story I've heard about what you guys went threw when arriving home comes from my neighbor (6.6 260lbs), while walking down the gated walkway after landing (in uniform) a hippy POS decided to spit on him....... he beat the piss out of the hippy with others joining in.... the guards turned their backs!

Regarding the OP's post, very few things are lower than stealing valor. I recently bought an Underarmor Hoody (wounded warrior), I liked the hoody and the proceeds went to the wounded warrior fund so I thought awesome! Very seldom will I wear it because it has a pic of the troops raising the flag and I'm afraid it may look as if I'm trying to appear as if I had served so I just don't wear it much.

 

[steve from staten island]

Fixed it for ya Bro.

Steve...The man, Kerry, is a complete and total "TRAITOR" from the word go and a failure as Sec. of State along with his predecessor. He has lied to a Congressional Committee which is on film and can be researched to this day. His "Swift Boat Comrades" can corroborate how his actual service in Viet Nam was preformed and his true dereliction of that Duty... What galls my *** about some of the things you espouse is that you give a free pass to these clowns, idiots, and traitors that are of our generation. Yes...The Baby Boomers. If you choose to remove those "rose colored glasses" you keep wearing, you will see that the current mess we find ourselves in today is a direct result of what these individuals started back in the day. The 60's/70's Revolution. Something that I am not very proud to call myself a member of. And it was a Revolution!!! Make no mistake about it. They have now infested our Educational system and worst off all our Political system. And every day we get to see how they are systematically ruining this Country. Kerry being one of the worse with "Billery" being a close second. Both are failures yet they get the "free pass" as a blind eye is turned towards their horrible and horrific actions. Iran Treaty is a joke. Libya was a joke, The Arab Spring was a joke. Common Core and Obamacare are a total and complete joke, etc. And every where we choose to look, everything they have ever touched, has turned into a "JOKE!!!" You can spin it any way you choose Steve but you are so miss guided and really naive to think otherwise which repeatably has been shown to you on this Forum by others, including myself. Yet you continually walk the Party Lines and spout out your Party profundity which is nothing more than rubbish, conjecture, and hear say. But I can't make you change nor should I try. You are what you are and therefore will forever be an embittered and a lacking of substance individual...cr8crshr/Tuck:angryfire:

Bullshit! I have to wonder were you get your information from. I also wonder,well truthful i don't,that if Kerry was conservative would you feel the same way. The facts are and enough with this party line mindset,that Kerry served,and saw combat period. Say what you like but respect that fact like i respect the fact that you put 30 plus years in the service. I don't agree and don't like many of the things you say but i respect your service.
The other thing you choose not to mention is that the person to whom i replied called guys who risked there necks on swift boats and i quote "********". As i have started a friend of mine who happens to be a conservative for what that's worth saw action in VN on a swift boat.

 

[patrick66]

Not "guys on swiftboats", Steve...just John Kerry.

 

[steve from staten island]

Politics as usual

 

[Hemi 354]

Kerry is as full of **** as a stopped-up Christmas Turkey. I have a lot of respect for those swift-boat guys, --we all do -- but Kerry is a work of art. When I returned from one of my tours in VN, they had us get on a bus that had all the windows blacked out. I often think about that.

 

[steve from staten island]

Kerry is as full of **** as a stopped-up Christmas Turkey. I have a lot of respect for those swift-boat guys, --we all do -- but Kerry is a work of art. When I returned from one of my tours in VN, they had us get on a bus that had all the windows blacked out. I often think about that.

Thank you for your service to our country

 

[cr8crshr]

Bullshit! I have to wonder were you get your information from. I also wonder,well truthful i don't,that if Kerry was conservative would you feel the same way. The facts are and enough with this party line mindset,that Kerry served,and saw combat period. Say what you like but respect that fact like i respect the fact that you put 30 plus years in the service. I don't agree and don't like many of the things you say but i respect your service.
The other thing you choose not to mention is that the person to whom i replied called guys who risked there necks on swift boats and i quote "********". As i have started a friend of mine who happens to be a conservative for what that's worth saw action in VN on a swift boat.

Say and believe what you want Steve but I will stand by my assertion that John Kerry is and will always be a "Traitor" to this Country. Same holds true for Sen John McCain, the Hanoi Jane Gal, and countless others that escape me at present. Kerry perjured himself in front of a Senate Select Committee, and there is also concern about how and why he was able to write up his own awards and decorations and submit them for award. 3 Purple Hearts he awarded himself and yet not a single bullet or shrapnel wound. Cuts and lacerations while on the Swift Boat do not constitute a Purple Heart. And he has the audacity to throw them away while claiming his disdain and complete objection to the Viet Nam War. Accusing his fellow service members of being baby killers, cutting the ears and noses off of the dead and captured VC and Cong combatants, and the horrific, non substantiated and non-creditable statements as such. Al Gore even served seeing combat as a correspondent for the Stars and Strips while in uniform with the Army. He has quietly been however, the epitome of all the rest of us that served and has stayed below the radar when talking about his service during that time. His Father did utilize political pull to cut short his tour but he initially went without incident nor hesitation. All his current actions however are of little value or substance. You want to trust the likes of a John Kerry then be my guest. The only Kerry I will ever hold any respect for is the Senator from Nebraska, Bob Kerry who is the recipient of the Medal of Honor having lost part of his lower leg while serving as a Navy Seal thus cutting his Navy career short!!!cr8crshr/Tuck

This might show you what a traitor John Kerry really is. It makes for real good reading and it just might open your eyes to what things really are
http://www.militarycorruption.com/kerry4.htm