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TDC & distributer position

cwhubb

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when I first bought my charger I noticed that the vac canister on the dist. was facing towards the passenger side of the bay, almost cranked against the head. I looked at the rotor it was pointing at the number two cylinder, was it 180 off? it always started and ran. all the pics i seen the vac canister points to the drivers side
 
"The thing" about timing traditional V8 engines. This does NOT apply to some V6s (even/odd fire) and some 4 bangers.

"The book" shows how to insert the intermediate shaft, that is the drive gear/ oil pump drive, and if done properly, everything comes out "OK"

THE REASON it is originally done that way is

so the assembly line folk can wrench, repeat

so the plug wires "lay" nice

so the tune up guys "see" what they expect.

The TRUTH is you can close your eyes and drop the drive gear in ANYPLACE, plug the distributor in "any" old way, and and then bring the timing marks up on no1 ready to fire, and plug the no1 wire in wherever the rotor points, and it will run just fine.

If the vacuum can is off interfering with something, you can simply turn it where you want, bring no1 up to fire, and plug the no1 wire into where the rotor is pointing.

HERE IS the steps to setting up an engine dist.

1---It is important to realize, that when the cam timing marks are set "by the book" that is cam at 6 o'clock, crank at 12 o' clock, this is NOT no1 ready to fire, but rather no6 ready to fire.

So you either have to plug in the dist. pointing to no6, or rotate the engine 1 turn

2---After the cam is timed, with the timing marks on TDC, the "book" shows how to insert the intermediate shaft. if yours is incorrect and you want to correct it, you can simply use a large screwdriver and "walk" the gear up out of the helix and move it whichever way it needs

The gear on a small block should have the slot pointing nearly straight inline with the crank, just a tad to the driver side pointing at the front most manifold bolt

A B/RB gear the slot should be essentially inline with the crank

3---With this in place, now bring up the no1 cylinder ready to fire NOT on TDC but rather WHERE you want initial timing to be. There are two ways to do that

A---If either valve cover is off, bring the timing marks up to where you want initial time, IE 10BTC or so for a bone stocker, 15-20 for a "cam" or maybe even a little more for a real hot cam
Look at either the no1 or no6 valves. Whichever set of valves is CLOSED indicates which cylinder is ready to fire. If no 6 are closed, you can either plug the dist. in with rotor pointing to rear (no6) or rotate the crank one turn, and plug the dist in for no1 (rotor pointing forward)

B---If the valve covers are on, pull the no1 plug, stick your finger in the hole, and bump the engine around. When you START to feel compression, watch the timing marks, and bring them up to initial time, IE 10-12 BTC

Now plug the dist. in, rotor pointing forward, and put the vacuum can approximately where it should be.

I always mark the dist. upper rim directly under the no1 tower so I don't have to argue with teh cap.

Rotate the dist RETARD (cw for small block, ccw for B/RB) to "get the slack" out of the drive, then slowly ease the housing back advanced until

the points open if you are using points

or until the reluctor tip is centered in the pickup coil core.

This procedure should get you close enough that the engine will start and run with no fuss. Then of course just take your timing light and adjust from there

An aside.

I'm a HUGE believer in checking actual TDC with a piston stop, which you can make or buy

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The drawings show proper orientation of the drive gear for small and B/RB engines
 

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Exactly 440RR has this perfect.

I put #1 where i want and if using VA i put the VA where it has the most movement.
 
if your vac adv is too close to the head move all your wires on the dist cap one space in oposite direction you want the vac can to go.then retime as said above.it will give you plenty of room for exact timming and not be hard to do at all.:3gears:
 
How do u make a piston stop? I.E. how long? That sorta thing?
 
How do u make a piston stop? I.E. how long? That sorta thing?

You can buy them at Summit, surely at Jegs

Just went through this at FABO the other day

NOTE this one is for small block, don't remember the length ya need for B/RB

Take a spark plug, and carefully saw all the way around the crimp. Cut off the ground, and use a punch or junk bolt to drive the guts out of the shell.

Then tap the shell for a 3/8 bolt. If you don't have a tap, drill/ ream the hole a little so you can slip a bolt in there and tack weld it. Leave plenty so you can trim it to length. You are not trying to stop the piston at TDC, but rather "down in the hole" some distance. Exact distance is not important. IMPORTANT thing is that the stem is a reasonable length and RIGID so it won't move.

Here's one I built over 30 years ago!!! The bolt as measured from the gasket surface is about 2 3/16, not critical.

Be sure to round the edges of the bolt off a little, so you don't put "nicks" in the piston dome

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That explains why a 340 I had was rotated 180 and ran well.
thanks for the info, exactly what I was looking for. I'll save this in my mopar file
 
440roadrunner: Once again, thank you for taking the time to put all this info out there in a clear and concise manner. I'm sure the young guys learn a lot and us 'old' guys get a refresher course. Really appreciate your efforts.
 
Yer welcome. I'm 64, and bought my 70 sixpack car when it was about a year old. I can't afford some of this gorgeous stuff I see on here
 
How do u make a piston stop? I.E. how long? That sorta thing?

If you're thinking of buying a decent camshaft degree kit, it will have one in it. I got a Comp Cams kit and it's a nice one. I already had everything to do it, but my dial indicator was like a 1941 model. Although still accurate, It has sentimental value so I retired it and just got a whole kit. You can find them for under 100 bucks if you shop around. It has a deestruckshunal video and all. It's nice to have it all in one spot.
 
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