• When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.

The first "Hawk-Rod" resurrection, Roadkill style

:thankyou: I appreciate the confidence, but I have to hone (no pun intended) my skills first! I'm not sure which part of apprentice engine builder you two missed!!! I am nowhere near an expert - just learning, and I'm trying to suck up all the knowledge I can!

Note also that I am getting the family special price for the use of the shop. That also means that from a priority perspective, my engine is low on the list! So expect some updates to this build to be slow...
At least you have someone to mentor you! I started hanging around a local shop when I was about 13 sweeping the floors etc for free. Well, once in awhile the owner would take me for a hamburger but at least I got to see how some things were done. This place was just an overhaul shop and did auto repair too but it was still a learning experience even though I never got any hands on work.
 
Sorry for the slow update on this thread. As I said before, I get the family discount on all machine work (free), but the "cost" of that is that my stuff falls at a lower priority than paying customers. Sometimes it takes a bit bit before we can get to mine.

Here is the boring machine with my 340 block in it.
20210317_155608.jpg


As a reminder of post #33:
This is a fairly simple and unassuming machine, but it very precisely bores cylinders based on the deck of the block. This is why (in post #16), we worked to get the block completely square, flat, and with consistent deck height for all cylinders. Bores in a block are supposed to be perfectly orthogonal (90 degrees) to the crank and deck surface. In actuality, they can be off a couple of thousands (or "tilted"), depending on the operator and/or the machine on the day it was bored. My father-in-law likes to hone the last .005" in a block. So we will bore my block to 4.065". Since my block has a (worn) standard bore, we will be cutting .025" using the boring machine (4.040" + .025" = 4.065").

Like all machine work, the devil is in the detail and the setup. Cutting is quick, but setting it up exactly right takes the time. If you screw this up, you might have to sleeve the block or trash it - so check twice or three times!

The first thing we did is roughly check how "tilted" the bore was. This is simply done by using a square and looking for light between the square and bore. My bores were not very good, and had roughly a .007" tilt top to bottom. Again, this wasn't precisely measured, but it was used to get a general idea. Remember also that a worn bore is also not perfectly round or perfectly straight either. The thrust side of the piston wears one side more than another, and other machining errors can cause other wear issues and patterns.

If you look carefully at the picture, just above the deck of the machine on the shaft you will see two pins sticking out of it. The third is hidden in the picture, but these three are pins are set at 120 degrees apart (like a Mercedes Benz emblem). The shaft is put into the bore and these pins are then moved out. As they move out, they will precisely align the boring head to the center of the bore. The problem is, if the bore is tilted and worn funny, how far down the head goes will set to where it is aligned. In general, my father-in-law prioritizes the top of the bore, about 2 inches down to get below the worst wear. This is the area where all the force is exerted when the engine is running.

We also needed to check if the .030" overbore is enough. If the bores are severely tilted AND severely worn, then perhaps a .030" overbore is not enough. This is unlikely but better check and make sure. The bore is measured with an inside micrometer as shown below.
20210317_155640.jpg


My bore was only worn about .0025", so not bad at all. So bottom line is not bad on wear, but bad on tilt. Then we did a test bore to bore out some, but not all of the cut. So instead of boring out to 4.065", we set a bore cut to 4.055". This gives us .010" in case some other issue turns up. Now remember, cutting the bores to 4.055" means we are cutting .015" beyond the standard bore size of 4.040". It also means that we are effectively only cutting about .0075" per side of the bore.

Setting the cutting head of the machine is done using this tool shown below. It is a specialized micrometer that sets the depth of the cutting bit in the machine. It is inserted into a special slot in the boring shaft and pushes the spring loaded cutting head to a precise radius.
20210317_155623.jpg


Finally, the boring depth must be measured and set. It must be deep enough to cut the entire bore, but not deep enough to strike any webbing or structural elements below the bore. My 340 block was easy with lots of room for error, but Chevy 350 blocks have little room for error - every block is different.
OK so then to boring. Here is a picture while the machine is boring the block. Even though the picture is a bit fuzzy, if you look carefully you can see a line to the right of the shaft where the cut is at.
20210317_164348.jpg


Look at the picture below. Here is a great indication of bore "tilt". So cutting about .0075" off of each side of the bore at the top yielded this result at the bottom. You can see a shadow where none of the block was cut. In this case, the final .010" cut will remove this and then the .005" honing will go further, so we will be OK. But this just goes to underscore that these blocks were FAR from perfect from the factory!
20210317_165312.jpg


Now once set up for the first bore, the others cut much more quickly.

Sorry about the wall of text here, but hopefully those interested will find this informative and helpful.

Next up is honing, but it will likely take a couple of weeks before I can get to that.

Hawk
 
Last edited:
Very cool Hawk. I work in a machine shop so I understand everything, and appreciate ALL of the details you are sharing! (I always wondered how this was done)
 
Me being a retired Machinist, couldn't have said it better! I wish I could be there with you looking
over your shoulder while the fun part is going on. When you are all done you will have pride in
everything you did and have intimate knowledge of your project! Reminds me of a phrase that
Charlie Brown said in one of their comic strips: It's like peeing yourself in a dark suit, You get a
nice warm feeling, but no one else notices!
Keep on Choogelin Hawk!
 
Me being a retired Machinist, couldn't have said it better! I wish I could be there with you looking
over your shoulder while the fun part is going on. When you are all done you will have pride in
everything you did and have intimate knowledge of your project! Reminds me of a phrase that
Charlie Brown said in one of their comic strips: It's like peeing yourself in a dark suit, You get a
nice warm feeling, but no one else notices!
Keep on Choogelin Hawk!

NOW THAT IS FUNNY RIGHT THERE! :rofl:
 
So while I am working on the engine, I also need to start thinking about what to do with my transmission.

This car was built with, and still has, it's original 727 automatic. Rear is a 8.75" 3.55 sure grip.

If I drive this across country, I'm going to want an overdrive transmission. I want to stick with an automatic for the car and I'm wondering what is the best choice for it. One choice is a Gear Vendors overdrive that replaces the original tailshaft of my 727. Another option may be to install a A-518. However, I am unsure if my Slap Stik will bolt in to a A-518 and if it can be made to work. There may also be other good options available.

Any suggestions or input from others regarding adding overdrive to the car?

Thanks,

Hawk
 
Why don't you just put a two-series gear in it and sit back & relax. An overdrive is alot of
Moola unless you plan on doing more highway driving later?
 
Why don't you just put a two-series gear in it and sit back & relax. An overdrive is alot of
Moola unless you plan on doing more highway driving later?
Very fair point.

From a budget perspective, throwing a 2.76 or similar rear into it would do the trick. I'm just not in love with castrating the car's performance by doing so. But, I think your idea is the default choice if an OD trans is not feasible or within budget.
 
So no honing this week, it might take a couple of weeks before we can get to that - we'll see how the schedule goes.

One more picture and some details I found interesting:
20210324_104652.jpg


This picture is after a light cut of one my cylinders. First of all, the cylinder is tilted away from the camera, you can see this by the patch at the very top of the cylinder that has not been cut. But just below that you can see the ridge formed by the rings that marks the top of the piston travel. The "bat wings" wear pattern below that clearly shows how the very top of the cylinder gets the most wear. This makes sense since combustion and all the highest cylinder pressure occurs here.

One other note: The thrust side of an engine gets the most wear (it is due to the direction of engine rotation and the mechanism of the rods and pistons). The thrust side is the right hand side of the bores (as viewed from the back of the engine). In other words, on bores 1, 3, 5, and 7 the thrust side is the inside of the bores towards the lifter valley. On bores 2, 4, 6, and 8 the thrust side in on the outside of the bores towards the exterior wall of the block.

Hawk
 
Last edited:
Racing season is upon us, so I still haven't managed to get the block honed.

I did finally get to cleaning up my rods. In order to very exactly cut off a specific amount, I mounted my rods in the bridgeport and cut about .0015" off of them. Then I'll hone them back up to an appropriate size. If you look closely at the picture, you can see the right hand side of the rod is cut, and the cutter is just starting on the left - I put black marker on the rod surface that is just getting cut off.
20210407_140947.jpg


I balanced a set of 340 pistons (not mine). Basically you weigh every piston and then cut material off of seven of them until they match the weight of the lightest one. This jig holds a piston very precisely and allows the bridgeport to cut material off of the "corners" to reduce weight. If you look at the back of the piston you can see where material has been cut out. (Note the pin is half way out of the piston and is used as a stop against the metal bar so the rotation of each piston is the same.)
20210406_150850.jpg


Finally, and not related to my build, but I found a cool old picture of one of the cars that my father-in-law did the engine work for. It was a 245 horsepower 283 that ran in a stock class. His best guess is this was 1968 or so.
20210407_122029.jpg
 
I'm surprised that the rod didn't "chatter" by clamping the small end in the vice and cutting
all the way out there! Of course, you said you only took off 0.0015. Make sure the faces of
the big ends are flat after you assemble them. I usually cut the cap.
Easier to hold in the vise. One piece at a time!
 
I'm surprised that the rod didn't "chatter" by clamping the small end in the vice and cutting
all the way out there! Of course, you said you only took off 0.0015. Make sure the faces of
the big ends are flat after you assemble them. I usually cut the cap.
Easier to hold in the vise. One piece at a time!
With a sharp cutter and only cutting .0015" it was like cutting butter. Plus the vice can clamp with a lot of force. Having said that, I fully agree that most of the time you cut the caps. In this case I didn't because the caps have little alignment dowels in them that would have been a hassle to remove. So, cut the rods instead!

I had tried to take a shortcut and just rub the rod ends on some sandpaper on a very flat machined surface (to cut them just a little bit). Well, by trying that by hand I actually induced taper - live and learn! So I put them in the bridgeport to correct the taper that I put in them and cut them to the size I wanted. This was obviously much more controlled and exact. The rods and caps are now straight with no taper and about .0005" to .001" below minimum spec. Now they will be honed back up to size.
 
So, another week and I still didn't get to honing the block. It is getting to be race season so the shop is super busy!

I did finish my rods. After I cut all my rods they were about .0005" (up to .0008") UNDER minimum spec. So then I honed them until they were about .0002" OVER minimum spec. This is about perfect. You maximize the crush of the bearing, yet ensure you are not undersized.

Below is the honing machine. I am just getting the feel for this machine. There is some technique to be sure you do not hone the rods improperly. Ideally, you hone two rods at a time to minimize the chance of inducing taper. You can hone a single rod, but just need to be more careful with how you move your hands. You also need to slide the rods just off the stone on each end so the stones wear properly. Finally, you need to move at a certain speed to get a nice pattern and flat surface for maximum heat dissipation from bearing to rod. It's not super easy! Note also that while honing my left hand would be on the other side of the rods, but I can't take a picture without hands on the camera!
20210414_151142.jpg


The honing process is a "hone a little, test, repeat" type process. Below is a picture of a rod that is done - just where I want it. But you also need to measure the full circumference of the rod as well as check for taper. But this is at least a simple picture near the most critical dimension (top to bottom).
20210414_151209.jpg


Hawk
 
Ahhhh Yes! A little Finesse! It's all in the wrist action. Yeah, if the bearings fit nice and
tight and have alot of crush, they'll transfer any heat that the oil didn't take away into the
rods. If you can't get rid of the heat, you spin a bearing. Those rods look great! Who Make
Dat?
 
Ahhhh Yes! A little Finesse! It's all in the wrist action. Yeah, if the bearings fit nice and
tight and have alot of crush, they'll transfer any heat that the oil didn't take away into the
rods. If you can't get rid of the heat, you spin a bearing. Those rods look great! Who Make
Dat?
They are Scat rods. Seem nicely made but they were over spec out of the box brand new! I'm sure they will do the job nicely in the stroker engine now - we just needed to get them to an ideal state!
 
I finished collecting all the information I need to balance my reciprocating assembly.

There are two key parts to the weight of the internals. There is rotating mass (stuff that goes in a circle) and reciprocating mass (stuff that goes up and down). Pistons are reciprocating mass, but rods have both reciprocating and rotating mass. So you need to weigh different parts of the rod to assure you know how much of each you have.

The picture below shows the rig used to weigh the reciprocating end of the rod. Essentially, you hang the big (crankshaft) end in a special rig and then weigh the small (piston) end. Of course, it has to be level and set up right, but this way we can get a value for the reciprocating end of the rod: In this case 163.5 grams. All my rods were exactly 163.5 grams. Great!
20210420_194157.jpg


This picture shows weighing the whole rod. This one is 583.5 grams. My rods were between 583.5 and 584.0 grams, but most were 584.0 grams. 1/2 gram isn't enough to spend time to modify, so I left them alone. If they had big differences, then you need to grind material off the rod to make them all weigh the same as the lightest rod, but in doing so, you still need to assure the both the reciprocating AND rotating part of the rods are the same - it's not just the total weight.
20210420_194218.jpg


ALL parts of the assembly need to be weighed, including bearings, rings, pins, locks, and, of course, pistons.

I am now close to being able to balance my engine reciprocating assembly. However, I now need to mock up a piston and rod assembly in the block and determine clearances. More than likely, I will need to cut down the pistons to achieve the compression and/or clearances I need (my aluminum heads are now closed chamber heads so if the pistons come out of the hole then I'll have issues). So now I need to get the block final honed and drop the crank in it so I can mock up a rod and piston.

Man this crap takes some time!

Hawk
 
OK. I finally managed to get my block honed!

I mentioned in earlier posts how important the boring process is. The boring process can be used to straighten out bores that are not ideally placed (not perfectly vertical, etc.). Honing, on the other hand, removes material equally from all sides so you can't use it to fix the alignment of your bores. After boring, my bores were checked to be sure they were good. You do not want them tapered and you want them perfectly round. So you should check with an indicator in two directions (offset at 90*) at the top of the bore and also at the bottom.

These two pictures below show me measuring the bores near the bottom (my hand moved too much to get good readings AND take a picture at the top!). So the gauge is showing .005" +/- .0001" (below my final bore size spec of 4.070"). The top was the same. This is exactly where I wanted to be prior to honing.
20210525_114631.jpg
20210525_114643.jpg


So honing is done with this machine:
20210602_131849.jpg


An important step is to put a honing plate on the block when you hone. The act of bolting your heads on an engine block actually distorts the block near the top and makes it no longer perfectly round. A honing plate mimics a head bolted on to the block so your bore will be perfect when the head is on the block (and obviously, THAT is what matters!).
20210601_092931.jpg


The honing process should give you good crosshatch pattern in the bores. This crosshatch pattern is what holds oil and lubricates the rings. Fun fact: Rings provide the greatest friction within an engine. After honing, all my bores were 4.0701" - 4.0704". We did not want to be under the spec and be too tight, but with each bore very close to spec.

My block is now ready to be built. As this is my first time doing all the machine work on an engine, I have learned how much time I have spent getting all the specs in an engine to be really good. I'll never underestimate a really nicely prepared engine block again!
 
Agreed. I put the new plugs in my machined bores yesterday and that thing is tight! Turns okay but it's snug.

20210601_165814.jpg
 
Looks great Hawk! Nothing ever goes according to schedule, so don't sweat it.
It's yours, so you can take a little extra time here and there!
 
Agreed. I put the new plugs in my machined bores yesterday and that thing is tight! Turns okay but it's snug.

View attachment 1119128
Lightly oil your bores a bit if you haven't already. How much clearance do you have piston to bore? Did you end gap the rings as needed? Double check your clearances now while it is easy to do. Once it is all buttoned up and in the car it will be hard to address issues!

Good luck with your build too!

Hawk
 
Auto Transport Service
Back
Top