timing issue PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!

[joekickass]

alright after 6 months of finding wiring, i got the old girl running. its a 74 staellite with the 318.

its been having timing issues and whats weird is that is runs but i cant tell where the hell the timings at!!!!!

i have looked with a timing light and there is no timing mark on the dampner anywhere near the marks on the timing cover

I got under the car found the mark on the dampner (im assuming its the slot machined into it) amd marked it as well as a couple arrows to see how off i was.

the car shows no marks at all with the light on the damper and tdc doesnt seem like TDC as the pisto is going down in the cyl. (front of the engine on drivers side is no. 1)

Is there another timing mark on the damper i painted over?

Could the damper have spun and if yes shouldnt there be a key in there to keep it from doing so?

whats the timing supposed to be on this car? I am runnin a stock 4bbl intake from another car (360 i think) with an adapter to a holley 750 which will be dialed town to a 650 or so in a month or so,

everything is stock, all the ignition boxes are brand new and fresh wiring, new(ish) cap rotor plugs and wires.

Thanks guys, im new to Mopar, i work on chebbies and own fords but i love this car!

 

[HawkRod]

Hey, I'm no expert and I am sure the engine experts can chime in if they disagree:

1) Put the #1 piston to TDC on the compression stroke. If you are not sure how to do this, there are plenty of places to look this up. Personally, I like to take out the spark plug and use the hole to verify both that the piston is pumping air as well as when it gets exactly to TDC.

2) Now when the engine is at TDC on the compression stroke, check your damper timing mark against the indicator. If they are not close, then you need to solve this problem before you proceed further. If close, paint the proper location on the damper and adjust the indicator as needed.

3) Start to work on the timing. Make sure the vacuum advance is disconnected, then continue to set base timing...

 

[tpodwdog]

X2...thats what i would be doing !

 

[69Bee]

It is completely possible for the outer ring on the damper to have spun out of position.

Basically, when you set up the cam timing, you line up the marks on the gears, then rotate the crankshaft one rev to put the #1 piston on the firing stroke. Put the timing cover on, and verify that the mark on the balancer lines up with the 0 TDC mark. When you drop in the intermediate shaft, aim the slot towards the front intake bolt on the driver side of the motor. Then drop in the distributor with the rotor pointing towards the front of the engine. This is where #1 wire will be, and follow clockwise with 8-4-3-6-5-7-2.

Disconnect the vac adv, and plug the line to the manifold. Set the initial adv to TDC +/- 2 degrees. Depending on your altitude, you might find it to run better with a few degrees of adv (2 - 5 degrees)

Hope this helps.

 

[dave5237]

x3

 

[joekickass]

HEY thanks guys, im familiar with timing i just wasnt sure if there was somethin with the damper or what!

i will set it to TDC and mark it then set the timing

But what should the timing be, i have seen a couple of this style (early mid 70s b body) with the tag sayin 0 degrees and a few sayin like 10. i can set it by feel but id like to know what it was at the factory cuz of the 0 degree thing

 

[69Bee]

If the damper has slipped, you need to replace it, not just remark it.

 

[charger360]

it will run nice at about 8 to ten degrees advanced. it would run better at 12 or 15 degrees advanced but if your distributer is stock it will possibly ping on ya. it is pretty common now to find spun balancers they are getting pretty old and oil and old rubber have a way of spinning on each other. if you want a quick way to get it close use a vacum gauge and set the timming for about 18 pounds you will be close as long as everything else is ok. the tags back in the day showed timming at about 0 to about 5 degrees or so advanced mostly because of the emmisions stuff on the cars at the time. you said the intake and carb were swapped so that should not be an issue now. cheers

 

[joekickass]

good point bee! and it will be once i find out but for now it just needs timed so its drivable. i do plan on freshening up the 318 or a 360 for it in the future with a slight cam intake and a few other goodies so its not an issue as of now

 

[joekickass]

thanks charger! thats where i will set it and thanks guys ive also got the build in the members projects come checkit out!