1969 Charger R/T resurrection

[Propwash]

Wow...That is terrible to hear H2E.....It is also stunning. A Lot of folks think the 3M Perfect-it 3 stage compound kit is one of the best out there. Lot of shops use it. Heck my bird was buffed out with it. That #1 is some pretty coarse stuff. Really strange. That Martin Senour clear must be as hard as glass. Hope it all works out for you. I can imagine your frustration.

 

[CHARGERSTEVEN]

Just remember time well spent now will pay off latter what is done looks real good just imagine the whole car like that n think positive besides doent look like winter is leaving just quite yet.

 

[hunt2elk]

Thanks for the support guys. Just talked to the kid and he is taking the day off because his back is bothering him from all the buffing yesterday. He is going to call the supply house tomorrow to see what they recommend he try next, and then come back for 2 more days. I will just have to wait till he can fit it in his schedule and hopefully his back straightens out. It's not the end of the world I guess, just will take a lot longer than any of us anticipated. At least I can putt around in my Road Runner if the weather does turn :3gears:

 

[747mopar]

Sorry to hear, sounds like your in my world now (sand buff, sand buff). I know exactly what the kids talking about with the DA, you can hear the paper pick up dirt while hand sanding but if that DA does you don't know until you start buffing:fit:. I'm hitting mine with 2000 and then buffing it out with Wizard Turbo Cut like you are and it does take allot of work (I'm already burned out on it). Make sure you got the right pad for heavy removal as well because they make several depending on your needs, I have three pads for the whole job. Good luck, It's going to look great

 

[hunt2elk]

Here's how black beauty is going to bed tonight. After talking to several other body guys, we learned that the Martin Senour as well as some PPG clears turn to the hardness of cement after about 4 days. This 4 day window is when wet sanding and buffing should be done in a perfect world. So it was recommended we wet sand again, this time with 3000 grit on a da. It took 8 hours to do the car on this step (and another $130. in materials). We went from 2000 grit sanding block marks to 3000 grit da swirl marks. We are now hoping this ends up saving some buffing time. To be continued............

 

[usaroadrunner]

i know this is a pita but your car is gonna be EPIC black mirror status when you get done...you will be happy ya buffed it.

 

[hunt2elk]

i know this is a pita but your car is gonna be EPIC black mirror status when you get done...you will be happy ya buffed it.

I sure hope so. The kid isn't letting anything suspect slide by.

 

[Ron 73]

Thats going to work out great elk i have faith in the work being done there, everything so far has shown great results!

 

[Propwash]

So what does the wife think? You tell her it's just Sun Screen?

 

[snakeyes]

hmmmm looking good ,it will look real good when you hit it with the buffer :buffer:

 

[hunt2elk]

So what does the wife think? You tell her it's just Sun Screen?

She cant say to much because ultimately she was the one who pushed the button to get it buffed. I do wish I had a picture of her face when she saw it after the first sanding session though lol.

 

[Gpuller]

Well this just sucks the bag! When I read that the kid was going to a wool pad I thought WHOA! Do know some of the PPG clears we used 10 years ago were a PITA to buff after a few days. Our painter at the time was always quick to get things buffed. Thought that stuff was in the past, clear we spray now isn't like that at all. Is that good or bad I don't know. ha ha ha
Looks like he's got a handle on it. Just going to have to a very complete detail when buffing is done.

 

[hunt2elk]

Time to talk a bit about Edelbrock RPM intakes, Holley Street Avenger carbs, and air cleaner fitment issues on a 440 in a Charger. I am also using a .25" carb spacer that gave the motor another 15 hp on the dyno. This is the best I have found so far and would appreciate any other options that you guys are aware of. Here is a shot of a Proform 1.5" drop base siting on the carb. With the top that comes with this air cleaner, the hood wont close - and it is butt ugly imo.



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You can see how tall the choke horn is on these carbs. I am concerned with airflow, so I had this stuff milled off the carb.



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Here is what it looks like now. I then bought a Holley air cleaner that comes with a 1.25" drop, but only used the top and filter. I still can't use the supplied stud nut because it is to tall. I put a flat washer and nut on the stud cut off as short as I could. This leaves me with .75" from this to the bottom of the hood. I have a hood pad insulation that I want to use, but am thinking it might not work. My restricted area from the top of air cleaner to the bulge in the base leaves me with 3/4" of air flow around the opening of the carb. I wish this was more, but as of now that is the best I can do and still shut the hood.

 

[tallhair]

I have to agree with you. That is butt ugly.

How much are you shy of closing w/o hitting the hood?

How important is 15 HP to you versus solving the problem and having a a/c you are happy with?

How tall is that filter 3" or more? Maybe shorter filter?

Can you use the drop base to modify a stock a/c setup to work w/o the spacer?

 

[conv67bdere]

Hey H2E . . . here's a wild and crazy idea . . . just a thought . . .

What about changing it up and making it a Cool Air setup ? ? And you could place the filter like this ? ?



Just throwing the idea out there . . .

You already know I think outside the box . . . or in this case, inside a box ? ? ( smile )

 

[Mr.SpeedFreak]

Man that sucks to hear about your issues with the clear, but glad you were able to come to a solution on it and thanks for posting the word of warning to all of us here! Judging from what's been done on the hood she'll be one hell of a mirror by the time you're done :icon_thumleft:

And that's some good info on the air cleaner issue, like tallhair mentioned do you think a shorter element maybe with a filter top like the K&N filter I'm using could be the ticket? :shruggy:

 

[hunt2elk]

I have to agree with you. That is butt ugly.

Actually Bryan that is a bad picture, but it is the Holley top which I could live with. The Proform is really bad. This is with a 3" element. Even with that I am worried about not having enough flow. This is the shortest combo I can come up with so far. The closest part to the hood is the center where the nut is. I have 3/4" of space with this setup. I kind of like the 15 hp. What do you mean by modifying a stock a/c setup? And did you notice I can finally spell you name lol.

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And that's some good info on the air cleaner issue, like tallhair mentioned do you think a shorter element maybe with a filter top like the K&N filter I'm using could be the ticket? :shruggy:

Good to see you back on the forum Speedy. Everybody must be healthy again in your neck of the woods huh? I looked at the K&N also and like the extra flow through the top, but thier bases only drop 1.25" - the same as a Holley.

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Hey H2E . . . here's a wild and crazy idea . . . just a thought . . .

What about changing it up and making it a Cool Air setup ? ? And you could place the filter like this ? ?

Just throwing the idea out there . . .

You already know I think outside the box . . . or in this case, inside a box ? ? ( smile )

That would solve my problem, but it is a little to modern looking for me - no offense.

 

[747mopar]

Time to talk a bit about Edelbrock RPM intakes, Holley Street Avenger carbs, and air cleaner fitment issues on a 440 in a Charger. I am also using a .25" carb spacer that gave the motor another 15 hp on the dyno. This is the best I have found so far and would appreciate any other options that you guys are aware of. Here is a shot of a Proform 1.5" drop base siting on the carb. With the top that comes with this air cleaner, the hood wont close - and it is butt ugly imo.

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You can see how tall the choke horn is on these carbs. I am concerned with airflow, so I had this stuff milled off the carb.

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Here is what it looks like now. I then bought a Holley air cleaner that comes with a 1.25" drop, but only used the top and filter. I still can't use the supplied stud nut because it is to tall. I put a flat washer and nut on the stud cut off as short as I could. This leaves me with .75" from this to the bottom of the hood. I have a hood pad insulation that I want to use, but am thinking it might not work. My restricted area from the top of air cleaner to the bulge in the base leaves me with 3/4" of air flow around the opening of the carb. I wish this was more, but as of now that is the best I can do and still shut the hood.

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Wow talk about a coincident, I to have the rpm intake and avenger carb but have a one inch spacer and it fits no problem............oh yeah, I've got a huge hole in my hood haha. Looks like you've got it resolved, I would just throw one of those k&n filter lids on it and forget it.

 

[conv67bdere]

That would solve my problem, but it is a little to modern looking for me - no offense.

No offense taken H2E . . . ( smile ) . . .

 

[hunt2elk]

Wow talk about a coincident, I to have the rpm intake and avenger carb but have a one inch spacer and it fits no problem............oh yeah, I've got a huge hole in my hood haha. Looks like you've got it resolved, I would just throw one of those k&n filter lids on it and forget it.

Yeah-yeah, quit rubbing it in lol. That hole in your hood is looking better all the time. I think I might pick up a K&N and try it with the Proform base. Then I will have boughten 3 air cleaners for 1 car .