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400 stroker kits

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Of all the stroker kits out there for the 400 block, pricing looks at most +/- $500 between all the manufactures.

If all things are equal, which is your preference? 440 source, Muscle Motors Racing, Eagle, Scat, Original steel 440 crank modified with aftermarket rods, pistons.

Also is balancing worth the extra $ (some only come this way) or should I just have the machine shop I will be using weight out everything and assemble.

I'm either looking at 451 or 470.
 
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Banzaiii,

My experience is with 440 Source and it is all good. I will say this though, if your going to do a 400 stroker kit, why not go right to the top? I was looking in the same directions as you. What I ended up with is the 512 with dish piston and zero clearance to deck, and 9.7 compression. It runs pump gas great. With 440source the cost of the kits are the same no matter which way you go, so my thought was if I can run pump gas, go big. So far so good. I just completed about a month ago and her in Maine, not a great time to be running it out on the road. I will do much more soon I hope.

Im sure others have had good and bad with all the companies listed. Im sure some will chime in. 440Source kits are all balanced and I would say very important to do, a must. They take the guess work out of it.. Im sure other companies do too..

Good Luck! If I can help out in anyway, don't hesitate to PM (goes right to my email)
 
440Source is probably my preference. Understand you WILL have further machine work to have everything be "right" as opposed to "usable". but the value is still there.
Muscle motors would be #2 - but be aware that ALL parts should be checked during assembly - even their "special chamfered bearings" may not be chamfered enough.
Eagle and Scat would be tied for 3rd.
The use of a factory crank is just cost prohibitive now. You have to pay to have it turned and polished, the counterweights reduced in diameter, and stroke indexed and ultimately you have a very nice 50yr old used crank. New is best in this case. Get a B wedge crank with whatever stroke you like.
I would NEVER trust a retailer to balance the assembly. Muscle Motors is a shop that sells. The others are sellers that should remain in that capacity. I want my shop to do it.
 
440source has a New crank that is " 4-pounds lighter " than there ordinary stroker kits and only $150.00 when bought as a Kit definitely a great deal !
 
I agree with moper, by the time I had my stock 440 crank bought, $150.00, turned down to 400 size, re ground and polished,$400, rods re sized with new bolts, $90, Ross dome pistons, $650, balancing,$200, I had about 1400 in the set up! Plus running around etc, another $100. This is 4 years ago, and I think these prices are pretty accurate if I remember correctly.
 
Source product is hit or miss on the cranks. I've used 8 of them in kit form. None of them were so bad I felt I needed to turn them, but every one had measurable taper on every journal. Had these been competition engines I would have had them turned or returned them and bought a better price point crank. "Good value" does not mandate perfection.
 
Mine is a 440Source kit and its worked good for me with no problems. Ron
 
Banzaiii,

My experience is with 440 Source and it is all good. I will say this though, if your going to do a 400 stroker kit, why not go right to the top? I was looking in the same directions as you. What I ended up with is the 512 with dish piston and zero clearance to deck, and 9.7 compression. It runs pump gas great. With 440source the cost of the kits are the same no matter which way you go, so my thought was if I can run pump gas, go big. So far so good. I just completed about a month ago and her in Maine, not a great time to be running it out on the road. I will do much more soon I hope.

Im sure others have had good and bad with all the companies listed. Im sure some will chime in. 440Source kits are all balanced and I would say very important to do, a must. They take the guess work out of it.. Im sure other companies do too..

Good Luck! If I can help out in anyway, don't hesitate to PM (goes right to my email)

Hi there,

I'm new to the sight but am leaning hard towards stroking a 400 to 512 from 440 source. I may have a 400 from a 76 truck but my question is: where are some other places I can look for a block?

Thanks!
 
If you want a big inch stroker go with a 400-440 block, you can get one out of a lot of older trucks and motor homes, good thing about the motor home engines they typically were low mile motors and were not beaten on.
 
Of all the stroker kits out there for the 400 block, pricing looks at most +/- $500 between all the manufactures.

If all things are equal, which is your preference? 440 source, Muscle Motors Racing, Eagle, Scat, Original steel 440 crank modified with aftermarket rods, pistons.

Also is balancing worth the extra $ (some only come this way) or should I just have the machine shop I will be using weight out everything and assemble.

I'm either looking at 451 or 470.
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440Source is probably my preference. Understand you WILL have further machine work to have everything be "right" as opposed to "usable". but the value is still there.
Muscle motors would be #2 - but be aware that ALL parts should be checked during assembly - even their "special chamfered bearings" may not be chamfered enough.
Eagle and Scat would be tied for 3rd.
The use of a factory crank is just cost prohibitive now. You have to pay to have it turned and polished, the counterweights reduced in diameter, and stroke indexed and ultimately you have a very nice 50yr old used crank. New is best in this case. Get a B wedge crank with whatever stroke you like.
I would NEVER trust a retailer to balance the assembly. Muscle Motors is a shop that sells. The others are sellers that should remain in that capacity. I want my shop to do it.

When contemplating using a stock 440 Forged Crank in a 400 Block ? and the costs involved ?
while it's probably best recommended for most people to simply have the counterweights machined down at a Machine Shop, if you are a pretty handy DIY kinda guy ? it's not an absolute requirement, and a 451 CAN be done with stock parts only slightly more than a std 440 build ?
The 440 Crank will fit in a 400 Block just fine with a 45* chamfer applied to the crank counterweights approx 3/8" wide using an angle grinder, then go in and radius the main webs in the Block where they meet the Cylinder Banks using a 1/2" Carbide. Polish your work after if desired using a 2" Rolox and Cartridge roll.
Then get the Crank Reground to the 400 Main size with instruction for an .080" Radius Filet to replace the factory "rolled" Crank Filet which is ground out in the process. $100 extra.

I used to have a bunch of pictures step by step saved in photobucket on how to do it, but alas since photobucket dumped a big FEE to host, I ain't about to pay $299 or $399 to get them back !

That's the way we used to do 451's as far back as the late 70's and throughout the 80's waaaay before anyone even knew what they were !
Others(especially BB Chev owners) just thought we had the fastest damn frigg'in "383" anybody had ever seen.... gave 'em ego FITS !
Interesting to note here,
the FIRST "off the shelf" Pistons available for the 451 combo, the ARIAS S7751, looked exactly like our early Venolia "customs" we'd used prior. We'd just use an LY Rod with ARP Bolts, the Venolia's and later ARIAS S7751 Pistons, and a Crank done as mentioned above, Ported 915's with a Roller.... and go plug 9's in an A-Body(which drove a few HEMI guys NUTZ as well)
 
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I used a MoPar 4.15" crank and Eagle rods/Ross pistons for my 499B, back when there were no Eagles available yet. Then for a 499RB I used an Eagle crank, Manley rods (very nice) and BME pistons (sweet). The last "B" stroker I built with an aftermarket crank I used a 440Source (3.915") crank and (6.535") rods to make a 471, but I heard their pistons for that setup were sketchy (no proof to that effect) so I went with Ross slugs. Very happy with that engine.

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