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69 RR rear wheel/tires, 275/60-15?

Ohhhhhh! You didn't! Man O' man..........Just couldn't leave the welder well enough alone eh? LOL

Well, the tin chicken (AKA "Road Runner"), can be the pilot car for pre-stall subframes Dave. Not putting factory paint marks on the brake booster or fading in some orange peel like Ma Mopar? Well...throw in the towel...it's over..hehehehe
 
Hey Will, these last couple days my head has been busy like rain man's brain in a vegas casino! Lol!

"Six point five, six point five, definately six point five inches to zero clearance."

It's 6.5" Will!!! Lol!

I'll explain in a bit, it's time for peoples court, wapner, gotta watch judge wapner.........
 
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As for the frame connectors, I took measurements when I cut that big chunk of original outer rocker off the car and she didn't move on me. I tried forcing some deflection after I welded the new one in. I had the car on jack stands, rear axle and right under the lower ball joints up front. I jacked the center of the car and looked for deflection, long story short, I gained the confidence I needed to tie the frame right then and there, so I pulled the trigger on the welder and burned some wire.



As to the 6.5", well I went back and measured again, with my uni lug wheels I was able to drop the slider "spine" of a dial caliper down inside a lug nut slot alongside a wheel stud with the tire mounted and I used a straight edge on the outer face of existing tire... again, long story short, my hub face to outer wheel house lip measurement is 6.5", same as my hub face to leaf spring rub point, 6.5".

That leaf spring one is kind of tricky because the further back you go on the spring behind the axle the less clearance you have. That's where you will rub if it's ever going to happen, behind the axle since the leafs are slightly toed in at the front eyes.

6.5" seems to be the magic number for outer limits both ways. Although the outer clearance limit is reduced as the rear suspension compresses because the wall of the outer wheel house tapers in, the higher you sink the tire up into the wheel house the less outer wall clearance you have. About 2” up from the lip I am flush with the lip edge itself clearance wise. This is why rolling or trimming the lip is only good for so much suspension travel. So, if you only clear the lip by ¼” with the tire, it’s only going to be good for maybe 2.5” up into the wheel house and you might start rubbing the sidewall bulge on the outer house wall.

This has got to be why guys like Satelliteman are so adamant about zero offset in back. See he was runnin 10" wheels with the big 295/50's (researched from old posts).

On my 69RR, If I ran that wheel/tire combo with zero offset I'd have 1/4" clearance at the leaf spring and at the outer wheel house lip. Which looks freeking awesome but it also helps explain why Satelliteman being the good samaritan he is, often cautions people about using that combo and he seems to have stated repeatedly something to the effect of "next time I’m going with 275/60"


I'm getting wordy again and I apologize...

Bottom line, 275/60 is the tire for me.

Now what wheel? Well I think it could be done on 8", 8.5" or 9"... 10" too I suppose.

A 9" wheel would complement the 9" tread face on the 275/60.

So that leaves backspace which is all over the damn map depending on wheel brand and model.

There are only a handful of manufacturers that make a 15x9… If I go 9” I kind of want 4.5” backspace

The US mags 15x9 seems near impossible to find with 4.5" backspace. They have a part number for it, I just can’t find anyone that sells it.

8.5"? Yeah, American racing does it with certain variations of TT's. Backspacing I've seen for those are like 3.75" and 3.81" This would leave me with ½” clearance with the 3.75 or .56” with the 3.81 backspace.

8"? Lots of 8" wheels out there offered with many offset options to fine tune your look, but is 8” getting too narrow for the 275/60?



All I can hear is clicking noises in my head like an old adding machine that's going nuts.

:grin:
 
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I'm kind of zeroing in on 3/4" as my "perfect" outer clearance. with 1/4" either way being entertained.

And I'm starting to think... phuck it, I'll run an 8" wheel on the 175/60's with a 3.75 backspace. That gives me my 3/4" outer clearance.

And tire specs I've found for the 275/60 show that it is mounted on an 8" rim for their advertised measurements such as the 11" section width.
 
if you like the Rocket one above , Cragar make a bad *** wheel like that , you can order with the insets in black , looks like early hot wheels car wheel I love them
 

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I was thinking I could fit the us mags 15x9 with a 5" backspace on mine. This is just measuring and comparing the 8" Cragers I have now. I don't have much room at all on the fender side, but do have some space to the springs. I will wait for the results of your inboard adding machine to get the facts.
 
5x9 with 5" back side should clear the outer lip by 1.5" and clear the leaf by 1/2"

It would on my car anyways, I have 8 3/4 rear, unsure on my spring specs.


moparstuart, yeah those are sweet. I've been looking pretty hard at some centerline 5 spokes that are polished and probably derived or influenced from the TT spoke shape, different though.. like a heavy TT II spoke shape.

Anyways, they say they are made in Cali, which for the moment is still technically territory of the USA. :grin:

And they make them to order, you spec you backspace and hoop width.

I might go that route

tailored fit....

and i'll still phuck it up.

lol!!

:grin:

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if you like the Rocket one above , Cragar make a bad *** wheel like that , you can order with the insets in black , looks like early hot wheels car wheel I love them

those wheels are sweet i like them to.
 
As for the frame connectors, I took measurements when I cut that big chunk of original outer rocker off the car and she didn't move on me. I tried forcing some deflection after I welded the new one in. I had the car on jack stands, rear axle and right under the lower ball joints up front. I jacked the center of the car and looked for deflection, long story short, I gained the confidence I needed to tie the frame right then and there, so I pulled the trigger on the welder and burned some wire.



As to the 6.5", well I went back and measured again, with my uni lug wheels I was able to drop the slider "spine" of a dial caliper down inside a lug nut slot alongside a wheel stud with the tire mounted and I used a straight edge on the outer face of existing tire... again, long story short, my hub face to outer wheel house lip measurement is 6.5", same as my hub face to leaf spring rub point, 6.5".

That leaf spring one is kind of tricky because the further back you go on the spring behind the axle the less clearance you have. That's where you will rub if it's ever going to happen, behind the axle since the leafs are slightly toed in at the front eyes.

6.5" seems to be the magic number for outer limits both ways. Although the outer clearance limit is reduced as the rear suspension compresses because the wall of the outer wheel house tapers in, the higher you sink the tire up into the wheel house the less outer wall clearance you have. About 2” up from the lip I am flush with the lip edge itself clearance wise. This is why rolling or trimming the lip is only good for so much suspension travel. So, if you only clear the lip by ¼” with the tire, it’s only going to be good for maybe 2.5” up into the wheel house and you might start rubbing the sidewall bulge on the outer house wall.

This has got to be why guys like Satelliteman are so adamant about zero offset in back. See he was runnin 10" wheels with the big 295/50's (researched from old posts).

On my 69RR, If I ran that wheel/tire combo with zero offset I'd have 1/4" clearance at the leaf spring and at the outer wheel house lip. Which looks freeking awesome but it also helps explain why Satelliteman being the good samaritan he is, often cautions people about using that combo and he seems to have stated repeatedly something to the effect of "next time I’m going with 275/60"


I'm getting wordy again and I apologize...

Bottom line, 275/60 is the tire for me.

Now what wheel? Well I think it could be done on 8", 8.5" or 9"... 10" too I suppose.

A 9" wheel would complement the 9" tread face on the 275/60.

So that leaves backspace which is all over the damn map depending on wheel brand and model.

There are only a handful of manufacturers that make a 15x9… If I go 9” I kind of want 4.5” backspace

The US mags 15x9 seems near impossible to find with 4.5" backspace. They have a part number for it, I just can’t find anyone that sells it.

8.5"? Yeah, American racing does it with certain variations of TT's. Backspacing I've seen for those are like 3.75" and 3.81" This would leave me with ½” clearance with the 3.75 or .56” with the 3.81 backspace.

8"? Lots of 8" wheels out there offered with many offset options to fine tune your look, but is 8” getting too narrow for the 275/60?



All I can hear is clicking noises in my head like an old adding machine that's going nuts.

:grin:

Hey I've got a '68 Satellite with 275/60/15 and it looks great in back. They are mounted on an 8" wheel with 4.5" backspace. Most people I've talked with mount the 275/60/15 on an 8" wheel. I think an 8.5" wheel would work fine too, but although 9" wide is the tread width on the 275/60/15, I've heard from a few people in the tire business that due to the tall sidewalls of this tire, it's a bit difficult to mount a 275/60/15 on a 9" wheel. This correlates to conventional wisdom which says a lower profile tire can take a wider wheel. i.e. the 295/60/15 is about 1.5" shorter diameter and gets mounted on a 10" wide wheel like what Satelliteman is running.

I want to swap my steel moon cap wheels out for some 8" convo pros, but for some reason neither Summit or Centerline stock these and you have to order them and expect a several month lead time. So I'm trying to decide whether to order 8" or 8.5".

You might also want to consider what overall diameter and size you'll be running in front. If there's too much of a mismatch between front and rear, you might end up with a fender to tire gap in front you don't like or a rake you don't like. I've gone back and forth with my own car and have determined for myself through trial and error that with 275/60/15, a 215/70/15 front tire works best. My other choice would be to run 255/60/15 on all 4 corners. The 225/70/15 fronts just feel a little tall to me when driving and anything shorter than the 26.8" of the 215/70/15 is too small compared to the 28" tall rears.
 
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Thanks for the input, much appreciated. i actually have been eyeing the 215/70 for up front probably on a 7" wide rim with 3.5" backspace. But I would need to measure first to be sure, which will be tough because the fenders are off my car.
 
They fit under my car.!

I have 275/60/15 under my 66 plymouth satellite with a 15 x 7 rim with a 4.5 backspacing.
 
Hey I've got a '68 Satellite with 275/60/15 and it looks great in back. They are mounted on an 8" wheel with 4.5" backspace. Most people I've talked with mount the 275/60/15 on an 8" wheel. ...

For what is is worth, I have used 275/60/15 on 8" rims with 4.5" of backspacing on my 73 and 70 Road Runners. I think they look great, they NEVER rub, and work well with no worries.

Note that the 70 Road Runner hasn't seen any real road time, but still has the wheels on it. It may be rough, but maybe you can get a sense of the look.

Hope this helps...
 

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Do NOT drop that 70 on top of that 73!! :grin:

Thanks, yes that does help.
 
Those last polished centerlines you posted a pic of look awesome. I had ran a 275/50/15 BFGs on an 8" rim on my 1969 rpadrunner for a while. Originally they were on my 340 'cuda but got put on the bird for a while. They filled the wheelwel up well and looked wide and mean from behind. Also no clearance problems.
 
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