Borgenson vs. Lares 11043

[moparpaul]

Wow.

I guess more money doesn’t always mean better product.

Now I’m really leaning PST 20:1 manual.

Just seems like power steering is a pain.

Guess that’s why I’ve always gone manual.

I might have a few more good years left in my biceps and shoulders.

Thank you for your honest experience.

 

[Chris Kaufman]

I bought the Borgeson for my 69 Bee. I could not Bee happier, with new ball joints and bearings in the front end it is the closest thing you will get to rack and pinion. The shop that did my alignment called me afterwards and asked what unit I had installed as they too thought it was outstanding and wanted to use it in their upcoming builds.

 

[BergmanAutoCraft]

I think you’ll be happy with the Borgeson. We’re on year 9 of these with success. After having all the tuned up factory boxes in my A body, I can say with confidence, the Borgeson is in a different league. I’ve also used their GM and Ford boxes in shop builds with success too.

 

[Remow2112]

I went with Borgeson with the Bergman install kit on a 76 Volare RR. Night and day how much nicer it is on that car. Only thing I noticed that the rag joint area is at a pretty good angle. If I was going to daily drive it I would probably cut it and reweld to a more direct angle.

 

[dodgedifferent2]

I have no complaints with the Lares from rock auto with electric assist power steering from a Nissan cube

 

[Studio70]

Definitely go with the Borg Box.

 

[Wietse]

My fist replacement of the original steering box on my '69 Coronet was a Steer & Gear stage 2 box, which was good but still had that center slop like the old one had.
Not long ago i slapped in the Borgeson box and that made a night and day difference.
No slop, direct acting steering and when driving 60mph you do not need to continually correct for the slop, just bang on straight.
Like others already said, this is as close as you can get to a steering rack feel.
It's a costly upgrade, specially for me and others here in Europe due to shipping and import charges, but once i had my first test drive i already forgot about that.

 

[moparpaul]

My fist replacement of the original steering box on my '69 Coronet was a Steer & Gear stage 2 box, which was good but still had that center slop like the old one had.
Not long ago i slapped in the Borgeson box and that made a night and day difference.
No slop, direct acting steering and when driving 60mph you do not need to continually correct for the slop, just bang on straight.
Like others already said, this is as close as you can get to a steering rack feel.
It's a costly upgrade, specially for me and others here in Europe due to shipping and import charges, but once i had my first test drive i already forgot about that.

Thank you. I think Borgeson is the way to go especially on a car I’m driving regularly.

 

[Wietse]

If you decide to go Borgeson, bear in mind you require to use their hoses as the box uses different threaded ports.
Also consider which steering coupler you decide to use, either OEM style adapter or the Borgeson universal joint which will require cutting the steering column by 1/2 - 1" and drilling 2 holes in it for the roll pins.
Don't fear of cutting, just measure twice and cut once.
Once cut do a test fit and turn the steering column so you can pre-drill at the right spots, then remove the column and complete the final drilling and de-burring outside the car.

 

[moparpaul]

You guys are all awesome! Thank you so much for all the experiences.

 

[BergmanAutoCraft]

Our kits are bolt in. No cutting and factory hoses. Bergmanautocraft.com
Our coupler also offers better on center feel as well.

 

[69 Q5 Bee]

Have you done the upgrade yet? If so, which way did you go and were you happy with the result?

 

[BergmanAutoCraft]

If you decide to go Borgeson, bear in mind you require to use their hoses as the box uses different threaded ports.
Also consider which steering coupler you decide to use, either OEM style adapter or the Borgeson universal joint which will require cutting the steering column by 1/2 - 1" and drilling 2 holes in it for the roll pins.
Don't fear of cutting, just measure twice and cut once.
Once cut do a test fit and turn the steering column so you can pre-drill at the right spots, then remove the column and complete the final drilling and de-burring outside the car.

Incorrect information above.

Our kits are bolt in. No cutting and factory hoses. Bergmanautocraft.com
Our coupler also offers better on center feel as well.

 

[Wietse]

Our kits are bolt in. No cutting and factory hoses. Bergmanautocraft.com
Our coupler also offers better on center feel as well.

Well, i had to cut the steering shaft to install the universal joint. Not sure how you want to install this without cutting?
That is why I mentioned it that he needs to decide what coupler he wants to use, the stock style which is direct fit or use the universal joint which requires cutting
I did not buy the kit, just the steering box, hoses, M16 port adapters and steering shaft universal joint from Summit.

So, it's not incorrect information, just another way of getting the same result.

 

[Charlie Brown]

Open your wallet and buy the complete kit from Bergman. After the unit is installed in your car, you'll say to yourself, man was that ever a good decision. So happy I did this.
You can always wait a while to save up the extra cash you spent upfront on this box to add "eye candy" to your car later. Build the bones of your car right the first time and be done with it. My 64 absolutely loves this conversion.

 

[BergmanAutoCraft]

Well, i had to cut the steering shaft to install the universal joint. Not sure how you want to install this without cutting?
That is why I mentioned it that he needs to decide what coupler he wants to use, the stock style which is direct fit or use the universal joint which requires cutting
I did not buy the kit, just the steering box, hoses, M16 port adapters and steering shaft universal joint from Summit.

So, it's not incorrect information, just another way of getting the same result.

Like I said, our kits are bolt in and don't use the U joint for several reasons. We also make the fittings to accept factory hoses. It's misleading to tell people this is the way it has to be done. I'm a site sponsor, contributor and have been doing this for 10 years. Just visit the site and you'll see...

 

[Wietse]

Like I said, our kits are bolt in

I see, at the time I wanted to order my Borgeson box I took the numbers of the Borgeson website and found them on Summit and ordered what i needed.
I had not seen your kit and was not aware of it either as i assumed it is Borgeson selling it and other vendors selling for them. ( i found what i needed and did not look any further)
I am not tending mislead anyone and never said "it has to be done this way", i am just suggesting from my experience of installing the steering box and how i went with it.
Just went a different route then the kit you are offering.

 

[Kern Dog]

I was tempted to piece together a Borgeson swap to save a few bucks. Sometimes you can do a project cheaper if you find the individual parts from a variety of sources.
In this case, I went with Bergman. The man has it figured out and has great knowledge about what he sells.
I could have saved a few dollars by piecing together the Tremec 5 speed swap as well but I bought a kit from Silver Sport for the same reason.
Excellent results in both cases.

 

[Wietse]

The Bergman kit will work well for sure as it all is fit together nicely, though at the time i did not know the kit was there and/or the kit is different than what Borgeson shows on their website.
BAC states my info is incorrect, which it is not, it is just deviating from their kit.
Between their kit and what i used, i would still choose the universal joint for the steering shaft over the OEM type.

Regardless, the OP has the option to choose for himself how he wants to go with it.

 

[Kern Dog]

The owner of BAC, Peter Bergman is pretty outspoken.

To be clear, cutting the column to fit a u-joint coupler is not the only way, just one way to get this unit to work. I like that BAC includes the hybrid coupler to maintain OEM reliability as well as being reversible.