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First Super Bee built?

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I'm just not buying the reproduced fender tag idea. Why would the person put a repro tag on a non numbers matching drivetrain 383 car? A hemi car?... maybe. The tag is really not going to increase the car's value by much and without a build sheet how can you get a tag made? It's just one of those things that I wish I new the answer to just because of curiosity. It's not like I'm going to flip the car and ask a ton of money because I put a statement on like "the first Super Bee ever built". I bought the car because it is the color combination I was looking for and it is a 4 speed car. I sure do appreciate all the information everybody has given me though. It just seems that the answer is not easily obtainable.
 
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I'm just not buying the reproduced fender tag idea. Why would the person put a repro tag on a non numbers matching drivetrain 383 car?....without a build sheet how can you get a tag made?
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Bad and fake tags are made all the time and for different reasons. It's not that difficult to get a tag made without a BS.

What was coded, when it was coded and even where it was coded on tags changed during the year but have you compared your tag to other '68 Bees?

Fake VINs exist too.

WM cars are worth more than WL cars.

I bought the car because it is the color combination I was looking for and it is a 4 speed car.
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That is the best reason to buy a car. It's a good looking car and I'm sure it's fun to drive.
 
I really don't think location of where it was built has anything to do with authenticity. Patrick66 is correct on when production may have began. Its close to the same schedule that is used today. Most plants will go down in July for change over. Typically a 2 week change over period, sometimes less, sometimes more. Back then it could of taken much longer if there was a complete sheet metal change. This may have been the case here. One plant may have been still building out while the other was ramping up. Today most plants try to have more than one body shop to minimize down time. They build out in one area of the plant, flip the switch for the conveyor and start producing the new body style right away.
I'm not sure when they actually started selling them but my 69 is built in Oct of 68.
 
texas69bee said:
I really don't think location of where it was built has anything to do with authenticity. Patrick66 is correct on when production may have began. Its close to the same schedule that is used today. Most plants will go down in July for change over. Typically a 2 week change over period, sometimes less, sometimes more. Back then it could of taken much longer if there was a complete sheet metal change. This may have been the case here. One plant may have been still building out while the other was ramping up. Today most plants try to have more than one body shop to minimize down time. They build out in one area of the plant, flip the switch for the conveyor and start producing the new body style right away.
I'm not sure when they actually started selling them but my 69 is built in Oct of 68.
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Actually, plant location in many cases will determine authenticity. And the rest of your statement, while true, is irrelevant here since the question is the initial introduction of the model run.
 
Possible typo in the date code, A "B" instead of an 8 would make more sense,indicating an early Bee in the proper time frame.
 
Well it could be real could be a re-body but with many of the needed pieces of the puzzle missing and other date codes missing its hard to say but as you stated this is what you were looking for so just enjoy it its a beautiful car !!:headbang:
 
WileERobby
Actually, plant location in many cases will determine authenticity. And the rest of your statement, while true, is irrelevant here since the question is the initial introduction of the model run.
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How??? We're not talking about many cases. We're talking about this case.
As far as the rest of my statement it's the only thing that can tie it to the production date on his tag. So it's the only thing that is relevant. Because a car doesn't get sold until February doesn't mean it wasn't built much earlier. Production models do not run from January to January. They run from July to July.
 
texas69bee said:
WileERobby
How???.
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I look at a Car. It's VIN is RM23U0G. Is it a legit car?
I look at a 69 Super Bee. WM21J9E. Legit car?
I look at a 70 Chrysler Hurst 300 car. CM23U0F. Legit car?
69 6bbl Road Runner. RM21M9G. Legit car?

Plant CAN determine authenticity.

Because a car doesn't get sold until February doesn't mean it wasn't built much earlier.
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Not sure how you'd sell a car in February that was built in March..... ;)

When it was built compared to sale is irrelevant in this case. We're talking about a model that wasn't even announced or offered for sale until months after this car was built.
 
I look at a Car. It's VIN is RM23U0G. Is it a legit car?
I look at a 69 Super Bee. WM21J9E. Legit car?
I look at a 70 Chrysler Hurst 300 car. CM23U0F. Legit car?
69 6bbl Road Runner. RM21M9G. Legit car?

Plant CAN determine authenticity.
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Again, HOW? Is there a secret ledger that says his car was built there. You already question whether it was legit based on a fender tag you haven't seen. Because of the Vin#?

Not sure how you'd sell a car in February that was built in March.....
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He says it was built in August of 67 which lines up with the start of production in July...:argue:
 
texas69bee said:
He says it was built in August of 67 which lines up with the start of production in July...:argue:
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According to numerous published sources, which at times are inaccurate, and the listing of cars in the Super Bee Registry, production of the Super Bee model (WM VINNED cars) did not start at the beginning of the year. It was a mid year introduction. Most likely late January or early February of 1968. AS partial proof of this, check the VIN ranges of the Super Bee registry and SPDs that are listed.

Therefore, taking the stance that an August SPD is relevant in this case is unproductive as the model was not even released at the beginning of the production year. It was released after August.

IF production of the WM models started in August, then one would expect to find other examples of '68 Super Bees built not only the LA plant, the smallest production B body plant, but also Lynch Road and St. Louis plants in August and until December.

IF production of the Super Bee started in August, then one would find more of an equal distribution of VINs and SPDs from the entire production year in the Super Bee registry. The distribution of VINs does not start until after January 1968.

I go back to an earlier statement:
When you have something that is out of the norm, it's best to have rock solid documentation or a plausible story.
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