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Ford Tried To Be Tesla, And It Cost The Company Billions

Wait? 61k for a Maverick. Where I live you can get the turbo 4 banger loaded for 36 to 38k, California?
Base truck is like $28k (?) $32k - $35k (Lariat XLT ?) plus options added
depends on what model, there's 3 of them

No it was about $48k IIRC out the door ($42k-ish) + Tax & lic. :realcrazy:
(It had a sticker on it for $55k, that's like $61k tax & lic.
no freaken' way I'd pay that, for a freaken' lil' FORD Pick-up,
equipt the way that guy ordered it & he bailed
)
minus trade-in & dealer incentives
Maverick Lariat *Super Cab Ecoboost turbo 2.ltr 8 speed auto
26 Options/leather inverter vault touchscreen/voice act. NAV
rollup hard tonneau cover :blah:
(IIRC) everythig incl. tow package
the 4x4 offroad package (Tremer (?), that was like $3500 alone

glad he didn't like it & I got the Gladiator
 
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Heard on the radio that Tesla is now in second place for EVs.
I wonder who said that? As of Q3 for this year, Tesla still outsells all of the other manufacturers over here. However, Tesla is in second place in China.
 
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Base truck is like $28k (?) - $35k
depends on what model, there's 3 of them

No it was about $48k out the door ($41-42-ish) + Tax & lic. :realcrazy:
(It had a sticker on it for $55k, like $61k tax & lic. no freaken' way I'd pay that,
for a freaken' FORD, equipt the way that guy ordered it & bailed IIRC
)
minus trade-in & dealer incentives
Maverick Lariat Super Cab Ecoboost turbo 2.ltr 8 speed auto
26 Options/leather inverter vault touchscreen/voice act. NAV
rollup hard tonneau cover :blah:
(IIRC) everythig incl. tow package
the 4x4 package, not the AWD, that was like $3500 alone

glad he didn't like it & I got the Gladiator
Sounds like some A hole ford dealer gouging because people will pay that much because it's " popular " I hope he eats every one of those trucks.
 
Believe it or not awhile back I had heard Tesla had surpassed Toyota in sales volume for all cars here in the looney bin state. Toyota has reigned for years but no more. Those things are everywhere out here.
I've only seen 2 here, one the son (yuppie) of the guy across the street...
He hates it now too...
Not very good in the mountains or cold...
 
Heard on the radio that Tesla is now in second place for EVs.
I see a lot of Rivians, I work at a private school for the wealthy and there's a lot of Teslas but also more and more Rivians. I like the parent that has a TRX, Red-eye and a Rubicon 392.
There's also a mom that has two Lambo SUVs, one is the high HP, it's absolutely scary watching her drive either.
 
I see a lot of Rivians, I work at a private school for the wealthy and there's a lot of Teslas but also more and more Rivians. I like the parent that has a TRX, Red-eye and a Rubicon 392.
There's also a mom that has two Lambo SUVs, one is the high HP, it's absolutely scary watching her drive either.
Think deeply about the Rivians before purchase. They're burning thru investor cash like it was toilet paper. They're also losing $33k per vehicle sold. As a start up company one must wonder how long they can last at that rate - and when they go belly up whose going to provide parts etc? Maybe another Edsel. I wouldn't go near one with my cash. This I heard from direct discussions with industry people.

Now the Lambo SUV - My wife wants one of those. Me to. But if we bought one she's going to pay for it - So I know that will never happen - at least not until I take the dirt nap and she goes nuts.... Lol
 
Think deeply about the Rivians before purchase. They're burning thru investor cash like it was toilet paper. They're also losing $33k per vehicle sold. As a start up company one must wonder how long they can last at that rate - and when they go belly up whose going to provide parts etc? Maybe another Edsel. I wouldn't go near one with my cash. This I heard from direct discussions with industry people.

Now the Lambo SUV - My wife wants one of those. Me to. But if we bought one she's going to pay for it - So I know that will never happen - at least not until I take the dirt nap and she goes nuts.... Lol
Those Lambos do look nice, but way out of my price range, 250K to start? The mom has accidentally broke the tires loose at 10 mph in an area with children. I'm lucky my wife wants a Grand Wagoneer, 150K less but still too much IMO. She drives so much she actually has a Volt, it's been great, sad we had to go this route, but she put 70K on it in two years. If she stops driving, it'll be the Wagon or Durango, even though she wants a Wrangler again, but I know she'll want fancy ****.
 
Think deeply about the Rivians before purchase. They're burning thru investor cash like it was toilet paper. They're also losing $33k per vehicle sold. As a start up company one must wonder how long they can last at that rate - and when they go belly up whose going to provide parts etc? Maybe another Edsel. I wouldn't go near one with my cash. This I heard from direct discussions with industry people.

Now the Lambo SUV - My wife wants one of those. Me to. But if we bought one she's going to pay for it - So I know that will never happen - at least not until I take the dirt nap and she goes nuts.... Lol
That's not bad, they were losing $67,000 per vehicle in the first quarter, and $124,000 per vehicle in Q4 of 2022. And they still have over $15,000,000,000 in the bank, with Ford being part owner. Amazon has over 1,000 of their delivery vans with 10,000 ordered. I wouldn't want one but I see more and more of them.
 
That's not bad, they were losing $67,000 per vehicle in the first quarter, and $124,000 per vehicle in Q4 of 2022. And they still have over $15,000,000,000 in the bank, with Ford being part owner. Amazon has over 1,000 of their delivery vans with 10,000 ordered. I wouldn't want one but I see more and more of them.
Wow - That is shocking! Where does all that banked cash come from? $15b? Do you think at this rate they're going to last - and w/Ford having issues again? I'd never heard of them - but then started to see them around - not many - but more than none.....
 
Wow - That is shocking! Where does all that banked cash come from? $15b? Do you think at this rate they're going to last - and w/Ford having issues again? I'd never heard of them - but then started to see them around - not many - but more than none.....
A lot of their cash came from their IPO, which was quite successful. On the first day of closing on the Nasdaq, their capitalization was $86Billion, more than Ford was worth. Three days later, it had risen to $127 Billion. At least it's an American company.
 
I've only seen 2 here, one the son (yuppie) of the guy across the street...
He hates it now too...
Not very good in the mountains or cold...
he just sold it too...

Paid like $110k, sold for $75 I think he said
It had quite a few miles, going from Sonora to San Jose area & back
2 times a week for a couple of years, fireman/Cal Fire
Said; to paraphrase
He got tired of the parking hassles/restrictions & all the expenses,
having to pay an electrician to install a special charger,
he had to add extra (I think he said another 100 amps) service panel
to his existing panel too, so it could get to or near a 100% charge
(The 110/220vt 40amp charger wasn't cutting it, never got over 80% IIRC he said,
IIRC he had said; It starts to drain faster as soon as it is 75% too
)
&/or the insurance costs & always having to be charing it
he had to wait to plug it in down in San Jose too,
someone always using the charger & you have to pay for that charge
using a credit card...
Very few of the "free" charging stations even in Silicon Valley...

He said afte me asking how it comparde in costs to the Merc.
in reality it was is like $20-$25 a gal or more, if it was an I.C.E.
were are at like $4.50 a gal. here

He said it was far cheaper to own & drive his old I.C.E. Mercedes V8
2010 (?) nice 4dr sedan (500sc) like less than 1/2 as much when all considered
he's over the fad/trend/hype, now he has a nice new 2023 Charger SRT (?)
I didn't see it, he was driving his truck, an early 2000's Ram 1500 4x4
last I saw him & talked... Thanksgiving day...
 
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and here we are a few months later and the ev plot thickens , the big mfg’s backing away from the battery car theory, here in ny the government is re thinking the ev . it’s all goin down the toilet….
 
I just returned from a trip to Europe and got to see some of their inner city housing, parking and traffic conditions. I did see a few electric cars but they were mostly these shoe box size things that make a Smart Car look big. It looks like everyone parks on the street, in alleys, on sidewalks, double park, etc. Looked like only the wealthy might have off-street parking. No parking signs are just flat ignored. I can’t imagine the enormous nightmare and expense it would be to put in an infrastructure system to where most of those cars could be EV. I suspect a lot of our large metropolitan areas aren’t a lot better.

Our nearby Ford Dealer has an area on the side of his used car lot where they have 4, I guess used Lightnings parked and for sale. Red tag specials. I suspect they were forced to take them back in trade. Bet they sit there quite a while.
 
It cracks me up that CEO Farley is always pushing all this EV crap onto the public, but on any given weekend he can be in either of several different countries road racing his ICE powered AC Cobra, Ford GT and other vehicles from his collection.
 
DETROIT, Aug 21 (Reuters) - Ford Motor (F.N), opens new tab on Wednesday said it was killing a planned three-row electric SUV and pushing back a new electric version of its best-selling pickup, the F-150, the latest delay by the U.S. automaker as it focuses on cutting costs to stimulate demand.
Ford, General Motors (GM.N), opens new tab and other carmakers have delayed or cancelled new electric models to avoid spending heavily on vehicles that consumers are not buying as quickly as anticipated.

"With pricing and margin compression, we've made the decision to adjust our product and technology roadmap and industrial footprint to meet our goal of reaching positive EBIT (earnings before interest and tax) within the first 12 months of launch for all new models," Ford Chief Financial Officer John Lawler said in a statement.

Ford also said it is adding a new electric mid-sized pickup and van to its future lineup as it doubles down on a strategy it has used in recent years, focusing on segments where it is already strong: pickup trucks and commercial vehicles. Ford's shares rose 1.1%.

The Dearborn, Michigan-based automaker has instead thrown more investment into hybrid vehicles, which combine an electric motor with a gasoline engine. Hybrid sales by Ford, Toyota (7203.T), opens new tab and other carmakers have surged as consumers turn to the technology as a less costly halfway step between gas-powered cars and EVs.

"The criticism Ford will have to face is why its product plan was not more flexible from the beginning, why it has been slow to implement these changes, and why investors will need to wait for a comprehensive update until next year," Bernstein analyst Daniel Roeska said in a research note.

Ford CEO Jim Farley has said one of the main solutions to slowing EV sales growth is bringing the production costs around those models down. That is a key goal for the future health of the company, which is expected to lose up to $5.5 billion on EVs this year alone.

As Chinese competitors and Tesla(TSLA.O), opens new tab continue to drive down costs on EV production, Farley has said he is staking the future of Ford on its specialized team in California, which has been developing an architecture for affordable EVs. The first vehicle based on that new technology will be the mid-sized electric pickup released in 2027.

The automaker will take a special non-cash charge of about $400 million for the write-down of certain assets for the previously planned three-row SUVs, which may also result in additional expenses and cash expenditures of up to $1.5 billion.

Given the increasing emphasis on hybrids, Ford said its share of annual capital spending dedicated to pure EVs will decline to about 30% from 40%.

A Ford Electric E-Transit is displayed on a Ford dealership forecourt


A Ford Electric E-Transit is displayed on a Ford dealership forecourt, Stoke-on-Trent, Britain, September 20, 2023.


'AFFORDABLE BATTERY'​

Ford said it will start making an electric commercial van at its Ohio Assembly plant in 2026, hoping to capitalize on its success in the gas-engine commercial vehicle market.

Meanwhile, the long-awaited successor to Ford's F-150 Lightning electric truck is again delayed, now to the second half of 2027 from an initially planned 2025 launch, a move the company said will allow it to take advantage of lower-cost battery technology.

While Ford is shelving plans to produce an electric three-row SUV, it is moving to hybrid vehicles in that segment, aiming to woo customers with longer-range vehicles for road trips.

Ford also said it will relocate some battery production to qualify for incentives under the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) and further drive down costs, a top priority for Farley.

The carmaker will move some production of the batteries it makes with South Korean battery partner LG Energy Solution (373220.KS), opens new tab for its Mustang Mach-E cars from Poland to Holland, Michigan.

"An affordable electric vehicle starts with an affordable battery," Farley said in the statement.

Another battery joint venture, with SK Innovation (096770.KS), opens new tab in Kentucky, will begin manufacturing cells for the E-Transit van beginning in mid-2025 and batteries for Ford's new electric commercial van in Tennessee in late 2025.

The automaker said lithium iron phosphate (LFP) battery production is on track to begin in 2026 at its battery park in Michigan and will qualify for IRA benefits.

Ford licenses technology from Chinese company CATL (300750.SZ), opens new tab for its LFP batteries, an agreement that has come under heavy criticism from some lawmakers. The terms of that agreement are unchanged, a Ford spokeswoman said.
Ford said it will provide an update on electrification, technology, profitability and capital requirements in the first half of 2025.



 
DETROIT, Aug 21 (Reuters) - Ford Motor (F.N), opens new tab on Wednesday said it was killing a planned three-row electric SUV and pushing back a new electric version of its best-selling pickup, the F-150, the latest delay by the U.S. automaker as it focuses on cutting costs to stimulate demand.
Ford, General Motors (GM.N), opens new tab and other carmakers have delayed or cancelled new electric models to avoid spending heavily on vehicles that consumers are not buying as quickly as anticipated.

"With pricing and margin compression, we've made the decision to adjust our product and technology roadmap and industrial footprint to meet our goal of reaching positive EBIT (earnings before interest and tax) within the first 12 months of launch for all new models," Ford Chief Financial Officer John Lawler said in a statement.

Ford also said it is adding a new electric mid-sized pickup and van to its future lineup as it doubles down on a strategy it has used in recent years, focusing on segments where it is already strong: pickup trucks and commercial vehicles. Ford's shares rose 1.1%.

The Dearborn, Michigan-based automaker has instead thrown more investment into hybrid vehicles, which combine an electric motor with a gasoline engine. Hybrid sales by Ford, Toyota (7203.T), opens new tab and other carmakers have surged as consumers turn to the technology as a less costly halfway step between gas-powered cars and EVs.

"The criticism Ford will have to face is why its product plan was not more flexible from the beginning, why it has been slow to implement these changes, and why investors will need to wait for a comprehensive update until next year," Bernstein analyst Daniel Roeska said in a research note.

Ford CEO Jim Farley has said one of the main solutions to slowing EV sales growth is bringing the production costs around those models down. That is a key goal for the future health of the company, which is expected to lose up to $5.5 billion on EVs this year alone.

As Chinese competitors and Tesla(TSLA.O), opens new tab continue to drive down costs on EV production, Farley has said he is staking the future of Ford on its specialized team in California, which has been developing an architecture for affordable EVs. The first vehicle based on that new technology will be the mid-sized electric pickup released in 2027.

The automaker will take a special non-cash charge of about $400 million for the write-down of certain assets for the previously planned three-row SUVs, which may also result in additional expenses and cash expenditures of up to $1.5 billion.

Given the increasing emphasis on hybrids, Ford said its share of annual capital spending dedicated to pure EVs will decline to about 30% from 40%.

A Ford Electric E-Transit is displayed on a Ford dealership forecourt


A Ford Electric E-Transit is displayed on a Ford dealership forecourt, Stoke-on-Trent, Britain, September 20, 2023.


'AFFORDABLE BATTERY'​

Ford said it will start making an electric commercial van at its Ohio Assembly plant in 2026, hoping to capitalize on its success in the gas-engine commercial vehicle market.

Meanwhile, the long-awaited successor to Ford's F-150 Lightning electric truck is again delayed, now to the second half of 2027 from an initially planned 2025 launch, a move the company said will allow it to take advantage of lower-cost battery technology.

While Ford is shelving plans to produce an electric three-row SUV, it is moving to hybrid vehicles in that segment, aiming to woo customers with longer-range vehicles for road trips.

Ford also said it will relocate some battery production to qualify for incentives under the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) and further drive down costs, a top priority for Farley.

The carmaker will move some production of the batteries it makes with South Korean battery partner LG Energy Solution (373220.KS), opens new tab for its Mustang Mach-E cars from Poland to Holland, Michigan.

"An affordable electric vehicle starts with an affordable battery," Farley said in the statement.

Another battery joint venture, with SK Innovation (096770.KS), opens new tab in Kentucky, will begin manufacturing cells for the E-Transit van beginning in mid-2025 and batteries for Ford's new electric commercial van in Tennessee in late 2025.

The automaker said lithium iron phosphate (LFP) battery production is on track to begin in 2026 at its battery park in Michigan and will qualify for IRA benefits.

Ford licenses technology from Chinese company CATL (300750.SZ), opens new tab for its LFP batteries, an agreement that has come under heavy criticism from some lawmakers. The terms of that agreement are unchanged, a Ford spokeswoman said.
Ford said it will provide an update on electrification, technology, profitability and capital requirements in the first half of 2025.



OH BOY! That's what I want to hear, they can;t sell an already flakey, can;t charge it indoors EV so they will MAKE IT CHEAPER.

Know when else the big three made it cheaper? 2007. When they got our tax money. Dodge had rust out on the wheel wells on their trucks when they were 2 years old up here. So did Ford. Chevy trucks that year had severe engine failure. Their cars are forgettable and most were junk. I am sure a cheap built EV will turn out to be a real inspiration to future buyers. Deffinately want to compete with china EV's, that light on fire parked in the street, axles fall off randomly, and a thousand other things caught on video they try to suppress.
 
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