Ford's "better idea" in Dodge?

[Sixpactogo]

I have averted all those issues by sticking with my 2005 300C. It has all the bells and whistles I will ever need. My financial guy recently asked me if I planned on a new car any time soon. I told him I want to drive the car not have it drive me. He then told me about his new Audi tried to kill him recently. He was attempting a left turn from a 4 lane street to a side street. When there was a break in oncoming traffic, he jumped on the throttle to make his turn when the damn Audi noticed an oncoming car half a block away and slammed on the brakes in the middle of the turn. I said...More evidence I don't need a new car.

 

[Budnicks]

No doubt to meet some emissions regulations, but also an opportunity to sell and replace starters.

& batteries,
there's an extra battery
it's under the normal battery to accommodate the stop start BS
dbl the replacement costs & if you have it done the labor rate too

 

[dadsbee]

& batteries,
there's an extra battery
it's under the normal battery to accommodate the stop start BS
dbl the replacement costs & if you have it done the labor rate too

Interesting, no such animal in a Ford. That said, I'm on battery #3 in 7.5 years. First two paid for by Ford (I guess I actually paid for the first one), I put another in last Summer with a 5 year FULL replacement warranty.

 

[Detective D]

More BS caused by the EPA.
Time to erase the EPA.

 

[Triplegreen500]

& batteries,
there's an extra battery
it's under the normal battery to accommodate the stop start BS
dbl the replacement costs & if you have it done the labor rate too

Depends on the model. Some just have a larger capacity single battery. I believe the WK2 Grand Cherokee is that way.

The ESS systems are actually pretty solid overall, we had very few issues with them when I was in service lanes (CDJR, GM, VW, Subaru, Mazda). There are aftermarket switch modifiers as noted earlier but they can cause issues with vehicle systems, CANbus networks, and PCMs, so tread lightly with them.

That said, it's another reason I'll keep driving my old stuff. My diesel Grand Cherokee doesn't have it (but it does have a huge battery, with a matching price tag)...and I just replaced the battery for the first time. 11 years, 108k miles.

Batteries (ESS or not) are expensive. It's nearly $200 for my motorcycle AGM batteries nowadays. Battery tenders are cheap insurance.

 

[70bigblockdodge]

Starters stink, ring gear and or torque convertor really stink! They also use a special battery in the system that’s an AGM type that’s pricey I hear for the Chrysler guys. What a poor idea!

There is a AGM battery in every vehicle with battery inside passenger compartment/trunk. They work well. They actually work the same as a lead acid battery except instead of liquid acid it is Absorbent Glass Mat in between the plates.

 

[F4R/T]

They may work well but it’s added weight, cost and another headache that is part of a poorly designed system. All part of the EPAs attack on the auto industry.

 

[toolmanmike]

My wife's Buick Envision has that econo stop bs. It's a 2018 and I heard the 2017's and the 2019's had a switch to disable it.
I already replaced the battery but it was 7 years old. I don't think it has 2 batteries like some of you have mentioned.