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High oil pressure

I`ve got one of these adjustable reg. I didn't use, I have .025 main and rod clearance, and still have lower than I like oil pressure at idle w/ a hi volume pump. I tried the adjustable deal, and jacked it up to over a hundred just playing w/ it. still didn`t give me what I wanted at idle , so I pulled it out. for sale cheap.
The pump can only move so much oil at a given RPM. The relief valve shouldn't even be in mix at idle speed. Low pressure at idle is due to internal bleed. In my testing the bearing clearance doesn't affect it much. Oil feed to the top seems to be a more promenent factor. My engine runs .003" rod, .004" main, .0025" lifter bore clearance. This engine with a .095" pushrod orifice would only make 45psi@7000 vs 90psi@7000 with a .055" pushrod orifice (same relief spring and clearance's).
Doug
 
Thanks Doug for the heads up on the orifice bleed. IIRC my engine has .0025 clearance on mains and rods. I also use the hv pump. At idle 850rpms hot,I have only 20 psi since it was built. Also about 60+ above 2k. Maybe I have the wrong lifter orifice for my engine. I frist ran 30w, then 40w and it did the same. I now use 10w-30 and the oil pressure is the same. I will say this engine has ran the same oil pressure for over 100k miles with out any trouble. PS, @ start up cold fast idle, it at 95 - 105 psi and has never blow a filter yet. Pat
 
Thanks Doug for the heads up on the orifice bleed. IIRC my engine has .0025 clearance on mains and rods. I also use the hv pump. At idle 850rpms hot,I have only 20 psi since it was built. Also about 60+ above 2k. Maybe I have the wrong lifter orifice for my engine. I frist ran 30w, then 40w and it did the same. I now use 10w-30 and the oil pressure is the same. I will say this engine has ran the same oil pressure for over 100k miles with out any trouble. PS, @ start up cold fast idle, it at 95 - 105 psi and has never blow a filter yet. Pat[/QUOTE
Those pressure numbers look pretty normal for factory style BB Mopar rocker oiling. They don't scare me in the least.
Doug
 
TMCI...too much conflicting info.
I think MOPOWER's post regarding adjustable pressure is a good catch all.
Mini Cooper's with 1275 S motors(prob'ly MG Midgets & AH Sprites too)are relieved to run @75 lbs hot. I'm a proponent for plenty of oil pressure since i'm into cutting canyons, where engine is worked hard through the rpm range for extended time periods, where pulling constant G, windage is a problem. But I'm not a motor builder.....just my gut. I think dry sump w/ adjustable relief would cover all the bases best.
 
adjustable relief is easy to make. drill and tap the relief valve cover screw for 3/8"-24, get a 3/8"-24 set screw, and add a jam nut. we used to make those things long before they were sold commercially.
 
The pump can only move so much oil at a given RPM. The relief valve shouldn't even be in mix at idle speed. Low pressure at idle is due to internal bleed. In my testing the bearing clearance doesn't affect it much. Oil feed to the top seems to be a more promenent factor. My engine runs .003" rod, .004" main, .0025" lifter bore clearance. This engine with a .095" pushrod orifice would only make 45psi@7000 vs 90psi@7000 with a .055" pushrod orifice (same relief spring and clearance's).
Doug
Are you talking about restricting oil up to the rockers with the .055 orifice?
 
Are you talking about restricting oil up to the rockers with the .055 orifice?
I pushrod oil so each pushrod is restricted to .055". This is still a TON of oil. I know plenty that restrict Indy feed lines to .040". And thats 2 vs 16 feeds.
Doug
 
I pushrod oil so each pushrod is restricted to .055". This is still a TON of oil. I know plenty that restrict Indy feed lines to .040". And thats 2 vs 16 feeds.
Doug
You must be lubing roller rockers? There is now known reason for pushrod lubricated stock valve trains.
 
You must be lubing roller rockers? There is now known reason for pushrod lubricated stock valve trains.
The valvetrain is altered. All oil to the valvetrain is fed thru the pushrods. Bushed lifter bores,.100" orifice. Push rod 7/16"x.165" wall tapered pushrod, 1.7 T&D paired rocker shaft system. The four shafts bolt to a bed plate on each head. All oil is fed thru the lifter bushing> roller tappet>pushrod>lash adjuster>rocker>rocker needle bearing.
Doug

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The valvetrain is altered. All oil to the valvetrain is fed thru the pushrods. Bushed lifter bores,.100" orifice. Push rod 7/16"x.165" wall tapered pushrod, 1.7 T&D paired rocker shaft system. The four shafts bolt to a bed plate on each head. All oil is fed thru the lifter bushing> roller tappet>pushrod>lash adjuster>rocker>rocker needle bearing.
Doug

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Do the rockers oil directly by passage from push rod oil or is this a pee and drip system such as found in older GM's?
 
Trim the spring like dvw is telling you. It's a typical procedure for hotrod BBM's to modify the spring to achieve desired oil pressure. My 511 low deck has 30psi at idle and 70psi at 7k RPM with .003/.0025 main/rod clearances and a .040 restrictor in each head (rocker shaft oiling). My last engine had 100psi cold at idle and 50-60psi warm. Trimming the relief spring was a necessity for that engine and the current stuff worked out of the box. Win some, you lose some. FWIW my hacked up, no value engine made 750hp at 7100 with a single 4150 style carb and a bunch more on nitrous.
 
Do the rockers oil directly by passage from push rod oil or is this a pee and drip system such as found in older GM's?
Direct feed from the pushrod only.
Doug
 
So it lubes the rollers in the rocker from splash of the valve cover.
Nope, the adjuster has a hole through the center and a machined undercut in the thread. There is a passage through the rocker to the roller bearing. One more passage underneath that squirts at the roller tip. T&D makes a nice product. I run 320/800 spring. A friend runs 400+/1000+. Never a body failure. I did replace the needle bearings and a couple of shafts after 350 passes. I had never inspected them after purchasing them used from a guy who had many years on them. Bearings were only $3 from T&D, shafts $24 very reasonable.
Doug
 
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