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Just beat somebody up when they are down and desperate, and reaching out for help. Nice ******* guys. No, I can't help or offer the OP advice, but I ain't going to stomp on him.........
I DESPERATELY NEED HELP! Do we have a doctor/radiologist that can read mri and ct brain scans?
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Sorry to hear about your mother… I respect you searching every Avenue. Personally I would get copies of the CT scans and MRI’s and find another hospital and ask a certified doctor there to read them with-out telling him what other doctors already told you. That way you are getting a fresh opinion. Good luck and hope everything works out for the best whatever that may be…
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Good luck, I wish for the best for your Mom...
Here's to a full & speedy recovery...
I can't directly help, I suggest getting a professional opinion too
Remember;
Dr.s are just 'people mechanics', they can be wrong too
they often are, more than you will ever know...
And how many times (?) have an automotive diagnosis been wrong (?)
(I know a lot) even on a guy/person/professional,
that's been in the trades for decades !!!
Dr.'s can be too
get another opinion !!! or 2-3 if need be !!
I don't know how it works in Germany
but (here) you don't have to accept the 1st dr.s opinion
you can get another dr. a specialist maybe to look into it
or maybe a patient advocate, 'supposed to be unbias' as a go threw/voice
(not sure in a socialist medicine aspect or not)
I'm not a Dr. or Lawyer, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn,
but I attempt to play one on a car forum
sorry;
if you think that is in bad taste, it's not meant to be
been there with my dad, prior to getting a quadruple bypass
& a valve was repaired, a few years back,
down in Modesto at Doctors Hospital
(I was pleasantly surprised 'how good' they actually are)
we eventually found a really good heart dr./true cardiologist
that didn't want to do the bare min.
he wanted to go in & do it right,
not just treat/medicate it, but actually fix it
he even showed US on the screen & explained in detail
what it is & what he'd have to do
sort of dumbed it down for nonmedical people
I have 2 dr's in my family also, 2 of my siblings (a bros. & a sister)
but they aren't heart specialists... not much help either
They went along with the org. prognosis
I'm glad I didn't & wanted a 2nd opinion...
it turns out (luck ?)
I did the right thing, he's far healthier than he was for 20+ years now
still old as dirt, but not ready to keel over anytime soon "yet" (86 y/o now)
maybe;
Talk to a lawyer also, you may need it to deal with the hospital
again I don't know what it's like in Germany
I know here
we have a great cardiologist, we/I went thru 4 before we found a great one
my father had a
'do not resuscitate order'
after the 1st attempt, if it failed, not to continue
or if he flatlined, he was braindead, that he didn't want to be a
VEGETABLE IN A BED FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, on a feeding tube
machines keeping him alive if it went bad
we had to revise that order,
I am & have his (my dad's) power of attorney too
(your mother's husband (your dad ?) probably has that power, I don't know the law there)
I can make that decision if he is not able to...
My mother had the same deal & my stepfather made the decisions that time
I think he was wrong too...
RIP mom...
I got several opinions after the 1st event,
he was having a heart attack while have a reg. physical, at his reg. dr.
they, had me take him to the hospital post haste, the emergency room
they wanted to do a stint, they sent us in my truck,
down 75+ mile away to get it done
crazy IMO (why not in an ambulance ?)
His arteries were so hard & so bad, from self abuse, alcohol
they couldn't do it, at all...
I'm getting pissed off...
Way too much moving him back & forth, not fixing anything, road miles...
I was worried he'd die in the truck on the way...
Too much BS of just packing the insurance bill, it's all a big business now...
(I assume, for lack of a better reason)
We went to yet another cardiopulmonary specialist, a real cardiologist
so happened to be up here (75+ miles away otherwise) 2 days a week,
we got extremely lucky...
We went thru a couple (4) of them, dad wasn't looking too good
I was worried & some (dr's & nurses) seemed disinterested, because of his age
& he was a mess, in other ways... (I won't go into here)
Saw the one great guy on a Tuesday, he was operated on that Thursday,
for 7+ hrs... & a week in ICU, detoxing, shakes like a mofo,
he had to be kept under to not tear out staples & stitches...
He was kept under heavy anesthesia for 7 days
(because of other issues he had), it being medically induced
& it messes you up badly & he had to learn to walk & eat again...
He was headed back home or released to a care facility,
up here for a couple of months to rehab, it was a bit tough...
You can get thru it...
(I know crazy huh ?)
Also all of which (rehab & surgery etc.) is/was covered by his Medicare
& his supplemental insurance...
I did some of the stuff, like you're attempting here on the open forum
but I did it mostly thru PMs/private conversations,
not so much in the open forums (much better that way)...
I do have some truly good friends here, to bounce ideas off,
or just vent my frustrations... It helps, you know who you are...
And yes, we do have a great batch of resourceful people here
a huge spectrum of knowledge too...
my best wishes
Here's to a full & speedy recovery...
I can't directly help, I suggest getting a professional opinion too
Remember;
Dr.s are just 'people mechanics', they can be wrong too
they often are, more than you will ever know...
And how many times (?) have an automotive diagnosis been wrong (?)
(I know a lot) even on a guy/person/professional,
that's been in the trades for decades !!!
Dr.'s can be too
get another opinion !!! or 2-3 if need be !!
I don't know how it works in Germany
but (here) you don't have to accept the 1st dr.s opinion
you can get another dr. a specialist maybe to look into it
or maybe a patient advocate, 'supposed to be unbias' as a go threw/voice
(not sure in a socialist medicine aspect or not)
I'm not a Dr. or Lawyer, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn,
but I attempt to play one on a car forum
sorry;
if you think that is in bad taste, it's not meant to be
been there with my dad, prior to getting a quadruple bypass
& a valve was repaired, a few years back,
down in Modesto at Doctors Hospital
(I was pleasantly surprised 'how good' they actually are)
we eventually found a really good heart dr./true cardiologist
that didn't want to do the bare min.
he wanted to go in & do it right,
not just treat/medicate it, but actually fix it
he even showed US on the screen & explained in detail
what it is & what he'd have to do
sort of dumbed it down for nonmedical people
I have 2 dr's in my family also, 2 of my siblings (a bros. & a sister)
but they aren't heart specialists... not much help either
They went along with the org. prognosis
I'm glad I didn't & wanted a 2nd opinion...
it turns out (luck ?)
I did the right thing, he's far healthier than he was for 20+ years now
still old as dirt, but not ready to keel over anytime soon "yet" (86 y/o now)
maybe;
Talk to a lawyer also, you may need it to deal with the hospital
again I don't know what it's like in Germany
I know here
we have a great cardiologist, we/I went thru 4 before we found a great one
my father had a
'do not resuscitate order'
after the 1st attempt, if it failed, not to continue
or if he flatlined, he was braindead, that he didn't want to be a
VEGETABLE IN A BED FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE, on a feeding tube
machines keeping him alive if it went bad
we had to revise that order,
I am & have his (my dad's) power of attorney too
(your mother's husband (your dad ?) probably has that power, I don't know the law there)
I can make that decision if he is not able to...
My mother had the same deal & my stepfather made the decisions that time
I think he was wrong too...
RIP mom...
I got several opinions after the 1st event,
he was having a heart attack while have a reg. physical, at his reg. dr.
they, had me take him to the hospital post haste, the emergency room
they wanted to do a stint, they sent us in my truck,
down 75+ mile away to get it done
crazy IMO (why not in an ambulance ?)
His arteries were so hard & so bad, from self abuse, alcohol
they couldn't do it, at all...
I'm getting pissed off...
Way too much moving him back & forth, not fixing anything, road miles...
I was worried he'd die in the truck on the way...
Too much BS of just packing the insurance bill, it's all a big business now...
(I assume, for lack of a better reason)
We went to yet another cardiopulmonary specialist, a real cardiologist
so happened to be up here (75+ miles away otherwise) 2 days a week,
we got extremely lucky...
We went thru a couple (4) of them, dad wasn't looking too good
I was worried & some (dr's & nurses) seemed disinterested, because of his age
& he was a mess, in other ways... (I won't go into here)
Saw the one great guy on a Tuesday, he was operated on that Thursday,
for 7+ hrs... & a week in ICU, detoxing, shakes like a mofo,
he had to be kept under to not tear out staples & stitches...
He was kept under heavy anesthesia for 7 days
(because of other issues he had), it being medically induced
& it messes you up badly & he had to learn to walk & eat again...
He was headed back home or released to a care facility,
up here for a couple of months to rehab, it was a bit tough...
You can get thru it...
(I know crazy huh ?)
Also all of which (rehab & surgery etc.) is/was covered by his Medicare
& his supplemental insurance...
I did some of the stuff, like you're attempting here on the open forum
but I did it mostly thru PMs/private conversations,
not so much in the open forums (much better that way)...
I do have some truly good friends here, to bounce ideas off,
or just vent my frustrations... It helps, you know who you are...
And yes, we do have a great batch of resourceful people here
a huge spectrum of knowledge too...
my best wishes
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Prayers for your mom.
Just me but I would try the Mayo clinic in Rochester Mn. To see if they would read the tests.
I sure you would have to have your / her Drs. In the mix to get that done.
But speaking with your dad and the drs . About getting a second opinion on her scans is possible but in sure must be done through the proper channels.
I know you only want what is best for her and I figure your dad does also.
Here in the states most all large hospitals have a patient advocate on staff for situations just like this.
Best of luck to you guys and sorry you mom is in bad shape.
Just me but I would try the Mayo clinic in Rochester Mn. To see if they would read the tests.
I sure you would have to have your / her Drs. In the mix to get that done.
But speaking with your dad and the drs . About getting a second opinion on her scans is possible but in sure must be done through the proper channels.
I know you only want what is best for her and I figure your dad does also.
Here in the states most all large hospitals have a patient advocate on staff for situations just like this.
Best of luck to you guys and sorry you mom is in bad shape.
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I'm a bit surprised by some of the "jokes" to be honest...and by who has been posting them.
I'm no fanboy of Michael and have taken offense to some of the posts he's made in the past, but family/life goes past all that and he needs help/advice - not the right time for piss taking.
These comments would NEVER have been made if the original post came from a popular member like Kern Dog or a respected member like Jerry Hall or Dadsbee (not that all three of you guys aren't both popular and liked).
We have stooped as low as the rest of the internet with their anonymous awful comments on people's problems, which is really piss poor and not in the spirit of this forum.
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Seems like many Dr.'s often want to just treat the symptoms
& not cure the ailments... (pack it on insurance too)
Everything today 'is about medical', we all get bombarded with it...
Constantly
Or the powers to be, all want you to think it is...
every aspect of life now
Medical Insurance, crappy 'powers to be' involvement or mandates
destroying some of the best medical care in the whole freaken' world...
(insurance industry & it's lobbyists isn't medical care, it's profiting off it)
& not cure the ailments... (pack it on insurance too)
Everything today 'is about medical', we all get bombarded with it...
Constantly
Or the powers to be, all want you to think it is...
every aspect of life now
Medical Insurance, crappy 'powers to be' involvement or mandates
destroying some of the best medical care in the whole freaken' world...
(insurance industry & it's lobbyists isn't medical care, it's profiting off it)
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Man I'm sorry to hear this is happening Michael.
Out here, the only ones qualified to interpret and/or diagnose based on these tests are the doctors themselves.
The radiologists, ultra-sound/MRI/Xray techs only take the pictures and do the scans.
The doctor in charge is the ONLY person qualified, and allowed to interpret the findings.
In other words, regardless of what you hear here, if they aren't the physician familiar with the patient's condition and history then any advice could be absolutely wrong and means nothing.
I understand your trying to get some helpful information from wherever you can....but this is real-world life and death.
Please do not let any internet advice, either from here or "webMD, etc" put you into a panic, discourage you, or put you at ease!
Case in point---my wife has had several procedures where the results are uploaded to a confidential "My Chart" web site. She then proceeds to search the internet for hours on end to try to interpret the findings, only to be absolutely freaked out by internet definitions and diagnosis....and in every case, once she got back to the actual doctor, it was NEVER as bad as she feared.
And, she's still here, nagging me about my Mopar habit...!!!
Out here, the only ones qualified to interpret and/or diagnose based on these tests are the doctors themselves.
The radiologists, ultra-sound/MRI/Xray techs only take the pictures and do the scans.
The doctor in charge is the ONLY person qualified, and allowed to interpret the findings.
In other words, regardless of what you hear here, if they aren't the physician familiar with the patient's condition and history then any advice could be absolutely wrong and means nothing.
I understand your trying to get some helpful information from wherever you can....but this is real-world life and death.
Please do not let any internet advice, either from here or "webMD, etc" put you into a panic, discourage you, or put you at ease!
Case in point---my wife has had several procedures where the results are uploaded to a confidential "My Chart" web site. She then proceeds to search the internet for hours on end to try to interpret the findings, only to be absolutely freaked out by internet definitions and diagnosis....and in every case, once she got back to the actual doctor, it was NEVER as bad as she feared.
And, she's still here, nagging me about my Mopar habit...!!!
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Sorry for your situation, never hurts to call out anywhere and everywhere, you never know what can come up. All I can do myself, is say a prayer for your Mom, hope she recovers and my thoughts for you and your family.
OzCharger69
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I'm really sorry about your situation. I am a Gerontologist and I encounter this kind of situation all the time. I am no radiologist but as part of my training we have to interpret CTs and MRIs.
The brain damage after a heart attack can be either -
1) Focal - which means she had a specific stroke event because a clot migrated to her brain in which case the scans can show the damage
2) Diffuse damage from cardiac arrest and the brain was deprived of oxygen/blood for a set period of time. This type of damage is hard to see on a scan because it's hard to differentiate from normal brain tissue.
I am not praising of criticising your team of doctors. All I can say is that a true clinician takes a decision based on the patient in front of him taking into consideration their prior quality of life, irrespective of blood and imaging results. There are patients with horrible MRIs but are improving and getting better and those patients are given every possible chance to get better. Then there are those patients who have perfect MRIs and blood tests but from the edge of the bed they are not doing well at all and those patients would not do well with aggressive management.
I really hope you find some peace in this ugly time of your life.
The brain damage after a heart attack can be either -
1) Focal - which means she had a specific stroke event because a clot migrated to her brain in which case the scans can show the damage
2) Diffuse damage from cardiac arrest and the brain was deprived of oxygen/blood for a set period of time. This type of damage is hard to see on a scan because it's hard to differentiate from normal brain tissue.
I am not praising of criticising your team of doctors. All I can say is that a true clinician takes a decision based on the patient in front of him taking into consideration their prior quality of life, irrespective of blood and imaging results. There are patients with horrible MRIs but are improving and getting better and those patients are given every possible chance to get better. Then there are those patients who have perfect MRIs and blood tests but from the edge of the bed they are not doing well at all and those patients would not do well with aggressive management.
I really hope you find some peace in this ugly time of your life.
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Michael_
I know full well the feeling of
desperation and hopelessness
of the possibility of losing a loved
one, that's close to your heart. You're
a fighter. Evidently that traight was
instilled in you by the very person
you're fighting for. Let go and let
God. No one here can relieve that
pain or that feeling you have and
you need to put those concerns
into the hands of the one who has the
ultimate decision. He will ease your
fears. If your mother is called, you
must realize, she's been called to
a far, far better place.
My mother passed 12 years ago.
There hasn't been a single day since,
that I haven't asked for her guidance
or advice. She's always there, and I
still get the answers.
Prayers for you and your mother.
I know full well the feeling of
desperation and hopelessness
of the possibility of losing a loved
one, that's close to your heart. You're
a fighter. Evidently that traight was
instilled in you by the very person
you're fighting for. Let go and let
God. No one here can relieve that
pain or that feeling you have and
you need to put those concerns
into the hands of the one who has the
ultimate decision. He will ease your
fears. If your mother is called, you
must realize, she's been called to
a far, far better place.
My mother passed 12 years ago.
There hasn't been a single day since,
that I haven't asked for her guidance
or advice. She's always there, and I
still get the answers.
Prayers for you and your mother.
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Well first, thanks for all the prayers and good wishes. 
The thing is i'm just worried they are writing her off to soon / for no good reason.
Originally they gave a good prognosis and after just 1 1/2 weeks they drastically changed their tone without delivering any new facts. I think that is to soon under the given circumstances/with the known facts.
That being said i agree with you that it's possible that there is damage that can't be seen on the scans.
But again, since apparently nothing alarming can be seen i think its to soon to write her off by just shooting in the dark and "expecting" damage.
When it comes to prior quality of live, it's completely normal given her age, she did not need any help or anything like that.
She has a history with the heart but no one expected that would happen.
I also sent you a pm.
The thing is i'm just worried they are writing her off to soon / for no good reason.
Originally they gave a good prognosis and after just 1 1/2 weeks they drastically changed their tone without delivering any new facts. I think that is to soon under the given circumstances/with the known facts.
That being said i agree with you that it's possible that there is damage that can't be seen on the scans.
But again, since apparently nothing alarming can be seen i think its to soon to write her off by just shooting in the dark and "expecting" damage.
When it comes to prior quality of live, it's completely normal given her age, she did not need any help or anything like that.
She has a history with the heart but no one expected that would happen.
I also sent you a pm.
OzCharger69
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Michael, I reviewed all the scans and replied to your DM. I am happy to discuss this over Whatsapp if it helps.
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