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I think something's wrong with the Boeing 737 Max 8

Safety upgrades COST EXTRA...Ethiopian and Indonesian airlines apparently didn't want to spend the money.
I'm sure "greedy Boeing corporation" will be blamed. Lack of training too.
https://www.fox23.com/news/trending...site_navigation&utm_campaign=homestream_click
From the article:
A pair of Boeing 737 Max 8 jets that crashed shortly after takeoff in recent months from Indonesia and Ethiopia lacked two key safety features because they were considered optional extras
 
All that automatic stuff is for when you are at a relaxing cruise not taking off
I was told all Westjet pilots knew all about this added item and how to deal with it
and would still fly these if the could
 
Maybe someone more aeronautically inclined can help me understand.
The max uses new, fuel efficient engines that are bigger and heavier, and mounted more forward on the wings, correct? So, how does this cause more stall problems,requiring a computer fix to drive the nose down to keep from stalling? It seems to me that extra weight in a more forward position should alter c.o.g to drive the nose down naturally, not up causing stall.
What am I missing?
 
Too much reliance on electronics, chips, ECU, ECM, blah blah blah.
I won't get on an airplane where the control surfaces do not have a physical connection to control column(s).
 
33 IMP said:
Maybe someone more aeronautically inclined can help me understand.
The max uses new, fuel efficient engines that are bigger and heavier, and mounted more forward on the wings, correct? So, how does this cause more stall problems,requiring a computer fix to drive the nose down to keep from stalling? It seems to me that extra weight in a more forward position should alter c.o.g to drive the nose down naturally, not up causing stall.
What am I missing?
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Altered center of gravity isn't the whole story for this aircraft; the re-design for the larger engines also meant that they are higher on the wing and have different pylons which change the aerodynamic qualities of the plane. This can cause the nose to pitch up during manual flight in some instances. This is why MCAS was implimented to operate invisibly during manual flight operation, such as at take-off.

When the first crash occurred last year, Boeing had not yet mentioned the system in the Flight Crew Operations Manual.
 
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steve from staten island said:
Ridiculous statement and I challenge you to back up your lies with actual facts!
You have "found" nothing over the years except for ongoing ignorance and using slander and lies
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You are correct SFSI
It's the lack of training
My post was "Right On"

I flew the MAX 8 to the East Coast last August
NO AMERICA issues at all

WHO the HELL on this Forum is going to trust LION Air from Indonesia or the Ethiopian Airlines?

come on guys...wake up, it's not the AC
it is lack of training
As I stated:
FAA requires the #2 seat to be at least 1,500 Fit Hours
Indonesia and Ethiopian Airlines only require 200 FLT Hours....
 
Training matters, kids. Safety matters, too.
 
I wouldn’t think safety features related to such a system would be “ optional”. Boeing loses ground in my books. Regardless of how many safe flights there have been. One prevented accident is worth more than reputation. IMO
 
biomedtechguy said:
Safety upgrades COST EXTRA...Ethiopian and Indonesian airlines apparently didn't want to spend the money.
I'm sure "greedy Boeing corporation" will be blamed. Lack of training too.
https://www.fox23.com/news/trending...site_navigation&utm_campaign=homestream_click
From the article:
A pair of Boeing 737 Max 8 jets that crashed shortly after takeoff in recent months from Indonesia and Ethiopia lacked two key safety features because they were considered optional extras
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From the article: "A pair of optional Boeing safety features might have helped pilots determine if the system was giving erroneous readings and pushing the nose of the plane down without cause, the Times reported. One of the optional upgrades would have displayed readings from the plane’s sensors while the other, called a disagree light, would have been activated if the sensors were pulling conflicting information, according to the Times.

Boeing officials plan to make the disagree light a standard feature on all new 737 Max planes, the Times reported, citing an unidentified source. The sensor reading display will remain optional."

OPTIONAL safety features to help detect ERRONEOUS and CONFLICTING INFORMATION readings from the plane's sensors? Does that make sense to anybody? There's something wrong with the plane, made worse by the LACK OF TRAINING PROVIDED BY BOEING on the aerodynamical changes brought about by the plane's redesign.
 
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Don said:
From the article: "A pair of optional Boeing safety features might have helped pilots determine if the system was giving erroneous readings and pushing the nose of the plane down without cause, the Times reported. One of the optional upgrades would have displayed readings from the plane’s sensors while the other, called a disagree light, would have been activated if the sensors were pulling conflicting information, according to the Times.

Boeing officials plan to make the disagree light a standard feature on all new 737 Max planes, the Times reported, citing an unidentified source. The sensor reading display will remain optional."

OPTIONAL safety features to help detect ERRONEOUS and CONFLICTING INFORMATION readings from the plane's sensors? Does that make sense to anybody? There's something wrong with the plane, made worse by the LACK OF TRAINING PROVIDED BY BOEING on the aerodynamical changes brought about by the plane's redesign.
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Hi Don,
I'm not a Gambling Man,
I personally believe the MAX 8 is safe, I know you feel otherwise, that is A-OK with me, differing opinions is a good thing.
Time will tell
And, as far a "Unidentified Sources", I never believe them...
SO: Strap in and we will see what the outcome is.
I don't personally believe The Boeing Company would jeopardize the lives of passengers
 
Let's settle this whole discussion right here. The Pilots done Fucked Up Bigtime!!!
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In other words, fly the ******* airplane.

Shithole Crews from Shithole Countries flying for Shithole Airlines. Safer in the air than I-4. Or I-5.
 
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Here is a good one. Signs don’t cause Bus Wrecks. Bunch of bull. Blame equipment. 99.9% cause is operator error.
 
If the design parameters cause the craft to stall in normal flight it is a design problem. The electronics were installed to prevent the stall the Otto pilot was programmed to do.
Then the electronics failed causing the plane to pitch down.
Yes, the pilots could have stopped it by turning off the electronics that failed.
But the fact remains the electronics were programmed to put the craft in an attitude requiring more electronics to correct said attitude.
Then the pilots were not aware of what was required to correct the situation.
Boeing screwed the pooch every way they could.
Key systems are required, not optional.
 
I think we just wait to see. Boeing is a company. They made business decisions to make things optional. I don't buy airplanes, but those that do will determine the future of this company
 
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