Kratom as a pain reliever and a safe pathway to reduce/eliminate opiate use

[steve from staten island]

Go talk to your doctor Steve. He will be the first to tell you he would lose his medical license if he even mentioned using it. My doctor also knows me well enough to know if I find something that works prescription or not I will use it. That doesn't mean I will not tell him in advance and he will not tell me what he thinks. He can not bring it up or recommend it. You know there is stupid and them there is being just plain stupid. Quit lumping the two together.

Mentioned using what? Kratom? Many doctors will tell you about using something other than a prescription drug if its legal, safe and proven to help.
Other than that what's your point?

 

[mopar 3 B]

Mentioned using what? Kratom? Many doctors will tell you about using something other than a prescription drug if its legal, safe and proven to help.
Other than that what's your point?

The point has become useless have a good night Steve.

 

[Slap Stick]

Why dont you man up and say exactly who "SOME'' are, instead of this B/S comment you made?
Exactly how has the doctor patient relationship been "poisoned" by the insurance industry and more specifically the "drug" companies.
I know of NO responsible competent MD's who push or would prescribe a drug for a personal incentive.
I do know some people in the carpentry trade who lied about how many squares a roof was to inflate the price of a job.
Were they getting a incentive from the supply yard?
Some companies are making profits now on medical marijuana now as my wife has tried it and its not cheap.
Again the evil conspiracy.

You don't know many docs, do ya?

Just because a med has been approved by fedgov doesn't mean its safe. Look at all the recalls and lawsuits from people who have suffered ill effects from taking many of these new drugs. The testing isn't what it should be and is all done by the pharmaceutical companies.
I am seeing a lot of billboards in my area now advertising kratom/cbd.

 

[steve from staten island]

You don't know many docs, do ya?

Just because a med has been approved by fedgov doesn't mean its safe. Look at all the recalls and lawsuits from people who have suffered ill effects from taking many of these new drugs. The testing isn't what it should be and is all done by the pharmaceutical companies.
I am seeing a lot of billboards in my area now advertising kratom/cbd.

I most likely know more MD's than you and I know them as family and friends. What you say has merit as we dont live in a perfect world and yes some drugs thought to be safe are found years later to have harmful side affects.
You might want to read this thread in its entirety especially the parts from a member I believe to be a medical professional as well as first hand account as related from a member who knows a county law enforcement official personally.
As I stated in another post, if your that suspect of the Pharmaceutical companies why would you take drugs prescribed by a MD for any illness?

 

[Slap Stick]

I have read this entire thread. Doesn't change my mind at all.
Many of these few approved drugs have been rushed to approval and the unsuspecting public has been the test guinea pigs.
When the drug companies try to prevent a naturally occurring product from coming to market they and the FDA are not working in our best interests.
As for county LEOs, how many are against concealed carry or 2nd A rights?
Many in law enforcement see the erosion of their empires by making ccw things legal and they are the same way with things like legalisation of mj, etc.

 

[mopar 3 B]

I have read this entire thread. Doesn't change my mind at all.
Many of these few approved drugs have been rushed to approval and the unsuspecting public has been the test guinea pigs.
When the drug companies try to prevent a naturally occurring product from coming to market they and the FDA are not working in our best interests.
As for county LEOs, how many are against concealed carry or 2nd A rights?
Many in law enforcement see the erosion of their empires by making ccw things legal and they are the same way with things like legalisation of mj, etc.

Well at least we all know whom disagreed.

 

[steve from staten island]

Well at least we all know whom disagreed.

Yes you do know, so learn to deal with other opinions other than your own.
You and the guy you quoted who now starts in with some BS gun control have not even addressed the subject of the thread

 

[mopar 3 B]

Yes you do know, so learn to deal with other opinions other than your own.
You and the guy you quoted who now starts in with some BS gun control have not even addressed the subject of the thread

DAAA what you saying Steve. That you can deal with someone else's opinion other than your own. We have all been through this before. Is this where the name calling and threats starts? I hope not. I was willing to drop this last night and you just threw it back in my face and everyone else's. Now you going to congratulate me with another red X?

 

[steve from staten island]

DAAA what you saying Steve. That you can deal with someone else's opinion other than your own. We have all been through this before. Is this where the name calling and threats starts? I hope not. I was willing to drop this last night and you just threw it back in my face and everyone else's. Now you going to congratulate me with another red X?

Sure play the victim now and throw out lies. This aint the political forum were your use to getting away with running your mouth and your buddies pile on.
Name calling and threats? Who threatened you? Show me just were and how the threats start. Show me anywhere in this entire thread a threat was made. I disagreed with a post and used the Red X and you posted a snide comment.
If you have something to add to the subject at hand, great, if not dont bother me with your petty BS

 

[steve from staten island]

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/in-depth/kratom/art-20402171
https://www.narconon.org/drug-abuse/kratom-effects.html

Two of many articles about this wonder plant.
Opium poppy is another plant. How did that work out?

 

[BeatersRus]

i had a point once....luckily,it was on top of my head and this nifty dunce cap covers it....

 

[Slap Stick]

Opium is derived from the poppy after processing. It isn't a drug that occurs naturally like thc. All one needs do is ingest the plant.
The sap must be procured from the plant and then processed.

 

[biomedtechguy]

Well I'm not surprised.
I missed out on SFSI hammering another post I made here that has a lot of links in it, so anyone interested could learn more.
I was wondering since it had been so long since I added to this thread if the red "emergency alert 24/7" phone or pager that SFSI has to immediately notify him of another blasphemous post about Kratom had occurred so he could SLAM it, again.

I do have to directly address this:

Many doctors will tell you about using something other than a prescription drug if its legal, safe and proven to help

Like OxyContin? Oxycodone? Vicodin?
It's this DEA approved, Doctor prescribed, licenced pharmacy dispensed POISON that has hooked so many unsuspecting people into CHAINS OF ADDICTION!
Kratom has helped some people get off of or reduced their dependence on the "officially authorized, government approved" DRUGS that led them down a path of sickness, despair, or in some cases DEATH.
But there's NO REASON not to trust "big pharma" right? Or the doctors who got PAID to push this crap?
https://www.chicagotribune.com/busi...uit-sackler-purdue-pharma-20181024-story.html
This is the real kicker:
Purdue is accused of trying to profit off a crisis that it helped spark by having its sales force tell doctors that the prescription painkiller OxyContin had a low addiction risk. The newly released public allegations reveal the company considered investing in suboxone, a drug used to treat addiction.
So they push an addictive drug as less addictive, and then as the body count rises, they look for a way to profit off of selling another "approved drug" to help get people off the poison they put out to begin with..
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-maker-reveals-they-pushed-opioid-low-n965721
But..but..Kratom (a PLANT) is an evil green MENACE!

 

[khryslerkid]

Damn! How many red X 's can you use before you have to renew your Gold Membership?

 

[steve from staten island]

All i ever said was this "plant" as innocent as you want to make it sound needs to be researched by people who know a wee bit more than you. I asked you God knows how many times what makes you the expert you want everyone to believe you are.
As far as the drugs you list as poison and addicting innocent people, this substance you praise as a wonder drug could be the same thing.
You have dismissed two actual accounts of what this plant does when abused but you choose to ignore that.
Your of course entitled to your opinion and thoughts about the subject at hand but when you take it to the level you have and continue to make all kinds of accusations against the medical community your showing me and many others that you are irresponsible.
You simply have no idea and no creditability as to what your talking about and frankly i personally resent it.
My wife a eight and a half year stage 4 cancer survivor, facing her forth surgery in just a month has been prescribed some of the poison(s) and i guess others you talk about to help her cope with the pain,nausea and anxiety that comes with what she is suffering
I can assure you she is no addict. Who in the name of God do you think you are spreading this BS and dismissing a group of people who have dedicated there lives to the study of medicine as well as scientists who have played there part in developing new drugs that actually help people?
Sure some day maybe this plant will also help but until then its used by many for one reason and thats to get stoned so spare me your nasty personal attacks, your countless conspiracy theory's.

 

[steve from staten island]

Damn! How many red X 's can you use before you have to renew your Gold Membership?

I have no idea you could use them but id have enough reds's for at least a few years i would think. Unlike other people i dont get upset when i see them given towards what i post

 

[biomedtechguy]

I know you personally resent it Steve. That's obvious. I know why too.
What about Purdue? Did you read either article about what they are accused of?
I'm sincerely glad and grateful that your wife gets relief and help from her regimen, and I wish you both the best of health and peace of mind.

 

[steve from staten island]

I know you personally resent it Steve. That's obvious. I know why too.
What about Purdue? Did you read either article about what they are accused of?
I'm sincerely glad and grateful that your wife gets relief and help from her regimen, and I wish you both the best of health and peace of mind.

Absolutely not! I dont resent this plant nor do I resent you posting about it and the potential it may have to help people suffering from various illness's.
What i do resent is this constant suspicion of the medical community as well as pharmaceutical companies by you and a select few others.
You (as well as others) post all the time about the evils of socialism (agreed) and how capitalism is the way to go (again agreed) but when it comes to a pharmaceutical company investing years and years of work on a new drug and the millions of dollars it takes, all of a sudden capitalism isn't a good idea. Do these new drugs always work out? No not all the time. Do some of them improve peoples lives? Absolutely!
My wife takes Ativan for chemo related nausea. its literally made all the difference in the world and for her is a God send. Im grateful to the company and people who made it possible.
Now using your logic I could suppose these same people would not want Kratom to be discovered and if im correct in my logic, than I disagree.
My other thoughts are some poor soul who is suffering or has someone suffering with a illness, see's your thread which clearly accuses doctors and drug companies of some sort of coverup, the links you posted and the coming off as a knowledgeable person on the subject, will go out and try this substance and suffer a bad reaction.
As it stands now this stuff is sold in of all places a head shop and used for getting high. People are already abusing it.
Do I defend all Pharmaceutical companies? No, never and I have no money invested in them either. Some are less then honorable and I suggest you read about a company who produced meds to help people with HIV/AIDS. They took federal monies and are charging big money for there product. They sidestepped there agreements.
I will read your link later on today

 

[steve from staten island]

Briefly read both links. If its proven this company knew there product was highly addictive and avoided saying so, I guess lawyers will eat them up. Its strange that even I knew these drugs were highly addictive years ago and not to abuse them.
I think common sense would have indicated that. What gets me is how people are always looking for someone to blame. I can understand a person who is legally prescribed these drugs and not carefully monitored getting addicted. What I can't understand is people who used them illegally to get high and addicted and possibly jumping on the bandwagon of potential law suites
Then again ive dealt with asbestos in the workplace for years in my former job. I learned that decades ago, as far back as the thirties companies that produced asbestos knew it was dangerous and kept that to themselves. How many workers have been exposed with no safety equipment and had this stuff all over them. On there hands face hair, covered in it with not even a paper respirator.
Washing there work clothes in the same machine as there children clothes? ( im one)
How many died as a result?
So I know all about coverups and the lust for money by corporations and there greed inflicted owners

 

[biomedtechguy]

I am the beneficiary of an experimental drug study. That has led to LOTS of life changing benefits for tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people in my generation. I am all about capitalism. Most drug companies are responsible stewards. I am AGAINST the Trump policies of "driving down prescription drug prices" if that means government price fixing!
I also know that Kratom has helped way more people than you could possibly know, and I object to your level of opposition to my posts about it. You are clueless compared to the level of knowledge I have about this topic, but you oppose and attack me like you are my equal, but in this matter you are a novice.