monroegtx
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That's great showard. I'm glad I've inspired someone. It may not be perfect but it is a buzz doing your own stuff.
Monroe's 70 GTX
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monroegtx
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Head lining trim
Ok. I was putting on the roof headlining trim and I've struck a bit of a problem. If I install the trim in its natural curve, it leaves a gap at the front A pillar about an inch or more long. If I push it forward to the A pillar trim, it comes off in the middle and leaves a gap. :icon_scratch: I know my A pillar trims have a piece broken off at the top, but I thought that it was just a small tab. Does anyone have any advice on how these are supposed to sit together. A photo would be great too as I didn't take any when I removed them from the car. I also realised after I'd done this that I probably should have put the sail panels in first as well. :icon_frown:
Ok. I was putting on the roof headlining trim and I've struck a bit of a problem. If I install the trim in its natural curve, it leaves a gap at the front A pillar about an inch or more long. If I push it forward to the A pillar trim, it comes off in the middle and leaves a gap. :icon_scratch: I know my A pillar trims have a piece broken off at the top, but I thought that it was just a small tab. Does anyone have any advice on how these are supposed to sit together. A photo would be great too as I didn't take any when I removed them from the car. I also realised after I'd done this that I probably should have put the sail panels in first as well. :icon_frown:
My car (70 Road Runner) is a post car, so there is a very specific cut out in the trim pieces that will index it to the post. Since your car is a hard top, I guess you don't have that. The A pillar trim tabs are intended to slip inside the trim. The gap on your right side does not look correct, while the gap (or lack thereof) does look correct on the left side.
Since one side looks OK and the other does not, did you compare the two sides together and see if they are the same (but reversed)?
See below picture. I know this isn't a great shot, but here is my car before I tore it apart. Again, a post car, but I would think the front would sit the same...
Hawk
Since one side looks OK and the other does not, did you compare the two sides together and see if they are the same (but reversed)?
See below picture. I know this isn't a great shot, but here is my car before I tore it apart. Again, a post car, but I would think the front would sit the same...
Hawk
monroegtx
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Thanks for the pic Hawk. I think ur right about the post and the ht being the same at the A pillar. It looks like I may have to try and force the trim up a bit. But then again I wonder if I have got them on in reverse. One end has a screw hole about 2 inches in and it has an angled end. At the moment that is at the back, I'm thinking maybe this should be at the front?
By the way Hawk, I'm over half way through your build thread and I think its excellent. Keep up with all the pics, you can never post too much detail. I wish I had seen some of them earlier on for my build. Cheers mate.
By the way Hawk, I'm over half way through your build thread and I think its excellent. Keep up with all the pics, you can never post too much detail. I wish I had seen some of them earlier on for my build. Cheers mate.
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SNKEBIT
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I think the screw hole goes to the front and goes through the plastic a pillar with the same screw.
Hi,
On my trim (again, a post car so it will be different to some degree), the BACK is cut square and does not have a hole for a screw. On the FRONT of my trim, is has an angled cut in the metal and a screw hole a couple of inches back.
What is tough to see in the picture I posted is that it looks like the front trim is cut square, but that is paint overspray or staining from something. Look carefully and the angle that meets the A pillar trim I actually the trim we are talking about - not the A pillar trim.
A bit hard to describe in words. Let me know if you want a picture of my trim ends...
Hawk
On my trim (again, a post car so it will be different to some degree), the BACK is cut square and does not have a hole for a screw. On the FRONT of my trim, is has an angled cut in the metal and a screw hole a couple of inches back.
What is tough to see in the picture I posted is that it looks like the front trim is cut square, but that is paint overspray or staining from something. Look carefully and the angle that meets the A pillar trim I actually the trim we are talking about - not the A pillar trim.
A bit hard to describe in words. Let me know if you want a picture of my trim ends...
Hawk
monroegtx
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I did have a close look at your pic there Hawk, and that's when I realised that I probably had it the wrong way round. I'm glad you mentioned about the overspray cause I wasn't quite sure on the angled cut. I can't believe that I didn't at least try the other way. It just didn't enter my mind that they were wrong way round. Too many brain cells dropping out in anticipation of the xmas festivities I think. :VB toast:
minnesota guy
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I am thinking of doing my own. It is the last thing on my 69 GTX to do.
monroegtx
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That's good. It's not that hard, (except on your hands), but it is time consuming for a novice. I ended up taking the back corners off again and redoing them with the hairdryer. I found I could stretch it a bit more and the softened vinyl grabbed the grippers better. Turned out a bit better than I first had it. I was gonna use the heat gun but I was weary about burning. But if you use it on the low setting and not too close it would probably be ok.
Also when doing the sides the flap on the listing can bunch up a bit when you pull it down to the roof line. I just carefully trimmed it back a bit more with a blade. So keep a good pair of scissors with you or a blade and carefully slice.
monroegtx
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Sail panel install
Ok. After looking like a proper tool for trying to install the trims in reverse, I thought I'd give the sail panels a go.
Photos 1 & 2 show the back of the sail panel and the velcro squares that attach to the cardboard squares on the back. These are from Legendary if anyone wants to know.
Photos 3 & 4 are the left and right before shots.
Photos 5 & 6 are rough placement to check for alignment with the last headliner rod. Also the cardboard backing placed just below the gripper teeth so that the trim will go on properly.
Photos 7 & 8 show the gluing of the front edge and the velcro attached. I only glued the front edge, the rest will just push in and stay in place with the trim. You could always trim the excess if you want and push onto grippers, but I figured that there is no tension on the sail panel anyway so I just left the excess and pushed it behind.
Photo 9 shows the panel in position with the excess tucked behind. Photo 10 shows where the two squares on the back of the passenger side came off. I had just placed it on and was checking alignment when the bloody thing just dropped off. I had to re-glue the squares back on, and now I'll have to wait another day or two to make sure the glue is properly set before trying again. Don't know what happened there, must not have had enough glue on them I suppose. A bit frustrating but not a huge problem.
Photo 11 was taken about a half hour after placement. It's a bit hard to see, but the board is starting to pull the velcro away a bit. Photo 12 is where I added a bit more velcro for strength. I ended up putting another 2 pieces on the edge which seems to have done the trick.
Lucky 13. Seems to sit nice.
It's amazing how simple the trim goes on when you face it the right way. lol
Ok. After looking like a proper tool for trying to install the trims in reverse, I thought I'd give the sail panels a go.
Photos 1 & 2 show the back of the sail panel and the velcro squares that attach to the cardboard squares on the back. These are from Legendary if anyone wants to know.
Photos 3 & 4 are the left and right before shots.
Photos 5 & 6 are rough placement to check for alignment with the last headliner rod. Also the cardboard backing placed just below the gripper teeth so that the trim will go on properly.
Photos 7 & 8 show the gluing of the front edge and the velcro attached. I only glued the front edge, the rest will just push in and stay in place with the trim. You could always trim the excess if you want and push onto grippers, but I figured that there is no tension on the sail panel anyway so I just left the excess and pushed it behind.
Photo 9 shows the panel in position with the excess tucked behind. Photo 10 shows where the two squares on the back of the passenger side came off. I had just placed it on and was checking alignment when the bloody thing just dropped off. I had to re-glue the squares back on, and now I'll have to wait another day or two to make sure the glue is properly set before trying again. Don't know what happened there, must not have had enough glue on them I suppose. A bit frustrating but not a huge problem.
Photo 11 was taken about a half hour after placement. It's a bit hard to see, but the board is starting to pull the velcro away a bit. Photo 12 is where I added a bit more velcro for strength. I ended up putting another 2 pieces on the edge which seems to have done the trick.
Lucky 13. Seems to sit nice.
It's amazing how simple the trim goes on when you face it the right way. lol
Looks great! I plan to be back for sure to check your build out when it comes time for me to do my headliner - I am sure I will need all the help I can get to avoid butchering up the job!
Did Legendary provide the Velcro squares? My sail panels have the traditional clip fittings, so I am wondering about one vs. the other. The Velcro certainly seems like an easier method of installation!
Hawk
Did Legendary provide the Velcro squares? My sail panels have the traditional clip fittings, so I am wondering about one vs. the other. The Velcro certainly seems like an easier method of installation!
Hawk
monroegtx
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Never got to touch the car last weekend as I drove over to Adelaide to visit my young bloke. He's down there from Darwin doing a course. Haven't seen him for almost a year, so being only an 8 hour drive it was a good chance to catch up and have a beer. 
ccasion14:
As mentioned earlier, the squares that hold the velcro on the rhs sail panel came off so had to be reglued. I think the main reason was because the sail panels are flat, so puts extra pressure on the velcro. When I glued them back on, I placed the panel over a box and let its own weight shape it into a bit of a bend. When I placed it back on there was bugger all resistance trying to pull it straight. Sits into the curve of the roof very nicely. I would recommend doing this before installing if anyone's thinking of placing sail panels.
Hawk was kind enough to donate some seat belt clip covers as I was missing a couple. Thanks again mate.
I painted them up along with the door lock buttons and door plugs which I had bought, and the sun visor tips. Folded up some tape and stuck 'em all down on a box lid so the force of the spray can wouldn't blow them away.
I was missing a door lock rod from the passenger side so I decided to make one out of a piece of coat hanger wire. Not real pretty but it seems to do the job ok. And no, I don't know why I go to all this trouble and then forget to clean up the rest of the mechanism. :eusa_wall: Sometimes I annoy myself. Also put a bit of rubber on the inside door handle rod holder thingy to stop any rattles from the rod.
All these little fiddly bits take a lot of time, but its getting there. :VB toast:
ccasion14:As mentioned earlier, the squares that hold the velcro on the rhs sail panel came off so had to be reglued. I think the main reason was because the sail panels are flat, so puts extra pressure on the velcro. When I glued them back on, I placed the panel over a box and let its own weight shape it into a bit of a bend. When I placed it back on there was bugger all resistance trying to pull it straight. Sits into the curve of the roof very nicely. I would recommend doing this before installing if anyone's thinking of placing sail panels.
Hawk was kind enough to donate some seat belt clip covers as I was missing a couple. Thanks again mate.
I painted them up along with the door lock buttons and door plugs which I had bought, and the sun visor tips. Folded up some tape and stuck 'em all down on a box lid so the force of the spray can wouldn't blow them away. I was missing a door lock rod from the passenger side so I decided to make one out of a piece of coat hanger wire. Not real pretty but it seems to do the job ok. And no, I don't know why I go to all this trouble and then forget to clean up the rest of the mechanism. :eusa_wall: Sometimes I annoy myself. Also put a bit of rubber on the inside door handle rod holder thingy to stop any rattles from the rod.
All these little fiddly bits take a lot of time, but its getting there. :VB toast:
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Hey Monroe, your GTX is looking super sharp mate. I noticed when you did your brakes you used brand new OEM lines. Did you buy them from the states or did you source them locally? I can't wait to see your baby on the road. Getting close now.
Glad to see my old seat belt covers put to good use - you have a great car and it deserves to have nice parts! :icon_salut:
monroegtx
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Thanks Chargerjase. I ordered them in from the States, less mucking about and the price was good, even with the shipping. It would have cost more to have them made to size over here, or even to hunt around to find a similar length.
Looking really good Monro! After seeing your sail panels I realized mine s not right at all, I never saw it all together so I took it to the upholstery shop to have the headliner made and they just made it come all the way down? Oh well, it looks good so I'm leaving it. Bet your getting really excited being at this stage in the game.
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Another disappointing discovery
I was placing the door weatherseal again, and remembered that when I had it on last time I had a gap at the rear between the trim and the body. I thought it was just adjustment so didn't worry too much, but this time thought I would look into why. You may remember early on in the thread I had new drip rails put on, well they didn't do it right. Obviously they didn't take pictures of the old before taking them off to compare with, and to be honest I didn't have a clue back then to check their work. (but they are the professionals after all) Heres what I found. First the old original one and then the new. You can see instead of running it down straight, they tapered it in, WTF. Why would they do that? Now as you can see I put the stainless on to see if it would still fit. I will be able to get on but only with a bit of manouvring around, not perfect but I think maybe ok. I should be able to get the small piece in a little better when I place the screw. Regarding the weatherseal, I'll have to move it closer to the edge to get a seal on the qtr window and not leave a gap down the bottom. This of course will now leave a gap between the weatherseal and the edge of the inside roof trim. At least that will only be at the bottom end and then taper back together as it comes up. I think I may be able to get away with it. Since it has been 2 years since the body work was done, I don't think that I'll have any luck in getting them to fix this. I'd like to know if anyone has any opinions on whether or not moving the door seal would be the only way to go, and if you reckon I could get by with this. Extremely disappointed in the body shop and myself for not checking it over better at the time. Live and learn.
I was placing the door weatherseal again, and remembered that when I had it on last time I had a gap at the rear between the trim and the body. I thought it was just adjustment so didn't worry too much, but this time thought I would look into why. You may remember early on in the thread I had new drip rails put on, well they didn't do it right. Obviously they didn't take pictures of the old before taking them off to compare with, and to be honest I didn't have a clue back then to check their work. (but they are the professionals after all) Heres what I found. First the old original one and then the new. You can see instead of running it down straight, they tapered it in, WTF. Why would they do that? Now as you can see I put the stainless on to see if it would still fit. I will be able to get on but only with a bit of manouvring around, not perfect but I think maybe ok. I should be able to get the small piece in a little better when I place the screw. Regarding the weatherseal, I'll have to move it closer to the edge to get a seal on the qtr window and not leave a gap down the bottom. This of course will now leave a gap between the weatherseal and the edge of the inside roof trim. At least that will only be at the bottom end and then taper back together as it comes up. I think I may be able to get away with it. Since it has been 2 years since the body work was done, I don't think that I'll have any luck in getting them to fix this. I'd like to know if anyone has any opinions on whether or not moving the door seal would be the only way to go, and if you reckon I could get by with this. Extremely disappointed in the body shop and myself for not checking it over better at the time. Live and learn.
monroegtx
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OK. so I moved the weatherseal over a bit and anchored it down. Left a bit of a gap from the trim inside but not too bad. Put in the rubber and tried the window. The gap that I originally had at the bottom (sorry I didn't get a pic) between the glass and body is now gone, as the seal keeps the window over more. Just a little bit more adjustment out on the qtr window and it should be good.
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