muscle car market

[Mopars & Missiles]

Hey Mopars & Missiles...appreciate your feedback on what the hell I'm thinking. Just my idea of humor given our relationship if we can call it that, with China. My brother had mentioned to me when we were talking about the skyrocketing prices of muscle cars years ago that there was a serious exportation of our collectible cars especially to Japan when they were booming in the 90's. On a related note, what I hear more people saying at car shows is buying a nicely restoed car for a lower price than you could ever build one. Sad but suppose true and thinking of how much I've already spent and have to spend yet on my '63 Plymouth to get it to the condition I'd like it to be, I'm sure I'd never make a profit and be happy to break even and that's a stretch!

Thank God Ron, you were joking. Couldn't tell that in your post, thought you were ready to start up your own gov't agency and all I could see was my taxes going up, more useless red tape, corruption, lies, deceit, etc., etc. One thing I'm sure of, if our gov't tries to do something, they'll muck it up for sure. I'll stop now, before this gets deleted for being "political".

Yeah, I agree with you about buying a "done" car versus doing one yourself. No way a guy can get his money back on a top notch resto if he wants to sell. And the reality is, we all have to sell eventually. I've got so much in my Super Bee that I'd never be able to recoup the costs if I wanted to sell. But I didn't redo it to sell, I've had it forever and intend to keep it forever more. The smart money is, as you pointed out, buying someone else's finished car for $40-50K and saving yourself years of hard work, headaches, and stress plus the additional $50K of costs of a resto. But, everybody thinks they can do it for WAY less money and time than it actually takes. Live and learn I guess, everyone's got to do it.

 

[Dgc]

Thank God Ron, you were joking. Couldn't tell that in your post, thought you were ready to start up your own gov't agency and all I could see was my taxes going up, more useless red tape, corruption, lies, deceit, etc., etc. One thing I'm sure of, if our gov't tries to do something, they'll muck it up for sure. I'll stop now, before this gets deleted for being "political".

Yeah, I agree with you about buying a "done" car versus doing one yourself. No way a guy can get his money back on a top notch resto if he wants to sell. And the reality is, we all have to sell eventually. I've got so much in my Super Bee that I'd never be able to recoup the costs if I wanted to sell. But I didn't redo it to sell, I've had it forever and intend to keep it forever more. The smart money is, as you pointed out, buying someone else's finished car for $40-50K and saving yourself years of hard work, headaches, and stress plus the additional $50K of costs of a resto. But, everybody thinks they can do it for WAY less money and time than it actually takes. Live and learn I guess, everyone's got to do it.

thats where the hobby has changed over the yrs. and with age the condition of projects has of course declined but their price has increased guess its the old man in me remembering the good ol days lol IM kinda luck I guess I have found car but a very few that I have been able to make very nice drivers not perfect mechanically sound good paint jobs and interiors and have made some $ on when done. I dont figure my labor though IM a general contractor and when I cant work due to winter weather its great therapy to rebuild a engine or prime and block out a car . I fire up the heater in the garage turn on some classic rock and can get lost for 8 hrs easy I may be taking dec. off to do my rt

 

[HT413]

No, a Dart can not be correctly referred to as a muscle car. It can be correctly referred to as a Compact car. It can be incorrectly referred to as a Muscle car. Same deal with a Camaro except it is a Pony car.

What's funny is calling some Pony owner's car a Muscle car in the 1960s or 1970s was a big time insult back then.

Missing the point, bruz. Language has evolved. Only time you hear the term Pony car is while watching mecum. Heck, these days even the term "muscle car" is almost dead, with everyone lumping them into "classic car".

 

[HawkRod]

Just got through all the posts. As I have said in the past, you need to select if you are doing this as a hobby or a business. If you like skiing you are not going to worry that you have more money in your skis than they are worth! You buy them to enjoy the hobby. If you are into the hobby, then buy/build what you can afford, drive and enjoy it, and FORGET what it is worth. When the time comes to sell it, if it is worth something decent, that's great.

And by the way, we DO need those who ARE doing this as a business. We need good vendors like CudaChick (PHOENIX SPECIALTY COATINGS), PST, etc. to support our cars. Without them, the hobby would be almost impossible to maintain.

I am in it for the hobby. I built my 70 Road Runner MY way. I hope folks like it but I don't care if you do or do not. I really don't care if it i considered a muscle car, classic car, whatever. I drive it, occasionally show it and enjoy it. That works for me...

Hawk

 

[Mopars & Missiles]

....We need good vendors like CudaChick (PHOENIX SPECIALTY COATINGS), PST, FAST EFI, etc. to support our cars. Without them, the hobby would be almost impossible to maintain.

Hawk

Fixed it for you Hawk! I know you didnt' want to leave anyone out! JK.

 

[HT413]

Just got through all the posts. As I have said in the past, you need to select if you are doing this as a hobby or a business. If you like skiing you are not going to worry that you have more money in your skis than they are worth! You buy them to enjoy the hobby. If you are into the hobby, then buy/build what you can afford, drive and enjoy it, and FORGET what it is worth. When the time comes to sell it, if it is worth something decent, that's great.

And by the way, we DO need those who ARE doing this as a business. We need good vendors like CudaChick (PHOENIX SPECIALTY COATINGS), PST, etc. to support our cars. Without them, the hobby would be almost impossible to maintain.

I am in it for the hobby. I built my 70 Road Runner MY way. I hope folks like it but I don't care if you do or do not. I really don't care if it i considered a muscle car, classic car, whatever. I drive it, occasionally show it and enjoy it. That works for me...

Hawk

Absolutely agree. I'm in this for a hobby, so if as an example I lose $10k in selling a car that I enjoyed for 10 years, well that's just fine. Then I know it cost me $1k a year to enjoy this hobby. Just how I look at it.

 

[HawkRod]

Fixed it for you Hawk! I know you didnt' want to leave anyone out! JK.

Haha. I think you need to look at what I wrote: I said GOOD vendors...

 

[66Satellite47]

Sure never thought by putting money into any car I had, I'd get it out I spend the money to satisfy my desires. If I wind up selling for much less than I put into it, so what. In the last 30 years I've sold all my "hobby" cars for less than I put into them. So what.

 

[Ron H]

OK - what I'm saying is it just don't seem right to put all your BST's (blood, sweat & tears) and cash into restoing a car and have some schmuck buy it from you for less than what's in it say discounting the BST's, just the cash. After your endless hours getting it done to your satisfaction then some guy hands you some cash get's in the car, turns the key, and drives it away. Suppose some think washing and waxing counts as "working" on the car. Well, that's life, eventually the sun will burn out and it won't mean squat anyway. Some aliens will land on our frozen planet, find all our cool cars parked around and start a new forum asking how to get them running again!