I thought that was only a problem in Wisconsin.. Nobody calls you back anymore. Very poor public relations now days.
So is getting ghosted the new norm?
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It's not just getting people to come to your home. We placed a want ad a few weeks ago for a new hire. Out of nearly 60 responses, we weeded it down to 4 and we talked with them on the phone and arranged for them all to come in for interviews. Two didn't show up.
There is one or 2 on every corner in Vegas. Local TV news sent out a undercover beggar.He made $700 in 1 day.
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Did you tell them you tested for drugs? That will weed em out pretty quick.. Last time I went for a Pee check ( 12 years ago?) the lady working there told me 50% test positive that even show up for a pee test...
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Thanks for the heads up. I have a bunch of trees that have dead in them, and about 8 stumps that need to go. Glad I got a burn barrel, just need to wait for spring.
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I hate to better you...LOL... Had a black fellow approach me and a date saying he needed money to get to the airport for his wife and baby.. I saw him 3 months later still telling the same story... POS professional beggers working humanity.. If they approach me now I tell them I have a gun and get the FK away...
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When I was going to the Nats back in the 90's in Columbus there was a woman panhandling in one of the mall parking lots with a baby in a stroller. She was in the same mall 3 years in a row - maybe more but the last year I saw her was the last year I attended the Nats.
There's good tax-free money to be made with a "homeless and hungry" sign. They don't even offer to "work for food" anymore. Around here they're on every major intersection. And they seem to be well organized because they take shifts!
There's good tax-free money to be made with a "homeless and hungry" sign. They don't even offer to "work for food" anymore. Around here they're on every major intersection. And they seem to be well organized because they take shifts!
The issues finding people in the trades isn’t anything new; it has been a looming – mounting problem for years as more boomers retired. They range from around 57 to 77 years old now, so the majority of us boomers are over 65. The pandemic just made it worse accelerating the number of those near or over 65 to hang it up. I retired about a year earlier than planned due to the hassles with the pandemic. Zoom meetings weren’t my thing.
I saw this happening for years as more high schools dropped their industrial arts curriculum or let their shops go to **** with ancient machinery cuz they wouldn’t spend the money. Just a few years ago (I did work for several school districts) some of the machines were 50+ years old, some being unsafe to run. I have a library of photos I took showing how shitty some of these shop classes were. NOTHING like when I was in high school having new machinery and pristine housekeeping...took wood, machine shop, and auto courses. When I went to work for a large machine tool builder, they had a stellar apprenticeship program; the company president went through it when he was a new hire. When we got smacked with foreign competition (Japan durable goods) the first budget cuts were to scrap the training program. So…high schools and employers scrapped this sort of training & education.
THIS is something that has been given glancing hits to fix it. When I went to tech school after working a few years post HS, the costs were cheap. Here’s what my check into these costs have been with the tech school I attended:
Cost per credit - $3.00, adjusting for what inflationary costs would make this today $16.00. But, the per credit cost today is $145. Aside from the more costly expenses, such as text books, my two-year degree cost 210 bucks. If it was only inflationary costs…would be $1,120. Nope, it’s now over $10,000. Some schools have mated with their area tech colleges to send their students to these tech schools to earn credits for electrical, plumbing, carpentry, etc. These are in the minority…so far.
Here are a few photos of the shop classes I referenced; pathetic…
That 50’s vintage lathe – the power switch is behind the chuck, so need to reach over it to turn it on/off, razor sharp chips in the tray with tooling lying within it
Drill press in a class is from the 40’s, no guard, ungrounded original plug yet
Hammer handle is split with a chunk of it gone
Nice housekeeping huh?
Want your kids or grandkids working in these shops?
I saw this happening for years as more high schools dropped their industrial arts curriculum or let their shops go to **** with ancient machinery cuz they wouldn’t spend the money. Just a few years ago (I did work for several school districts) some of the machines were 50+ years old, some being unsafe to run. I have a library of photos I took showing how shitty some of these shop classes were. NOTHING like when I was in high school having new machinery and pristine housekeeping...took wood, machine shop, and auto courses. When I went to work for a large machine tool builder, they had a stellar apprenticeship program; the company president went through it when he was a new hire. When we got smacked with foreign competition (Japan durable goods) the first budget cuts were to scrap the training program. So…high schools and employers scrapped this sort of training & education.
THIS is something that has been given glancing hits to fix it. When I went to tech school after working a few years post HS, the costs were cheap. Here’s what my check into these costs have been with the tech school I attended:
Cost per credit - $3.00, adjusting for what inflationary costs would make this today $16.00. But, the per credit cost today is $145. Aside from the more costly expenses, such as text books, my two-year degree cost 210 bucks. If it was only inflationary costs…would be $1,120. Nope, it’s now over $10,000. Some schools have mated with their area tech colleges to send their students to these tech schools to earn credits for electrical, plumbing, carpentry, etc. These are in the minority…so far.
Here are a few photos of the shop classes I referenced; pathetic…
That 50’s vintage lathe – the power switch is behind the chuck, so need to reach over it to turn it on/off, razor sharp chips in the tray with tooling lying within it
Drill press in a class is from the 40’s, no guard, ungrounded original plug yet
Hammer handle is split with a chunk of it gone
Nice housekeeping huh?
Want your kids or grandkids working in these shops?
I work in the electrical trade, we have to horde our supplies as none of it is easy to get these days, been waiting 6 months on a door bell for a harbor freight.
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bleeding heart morons fall for these homeless sob stories. Call me cold hearted, i do not give my money away to people who refuse to work.
Got a call back this afternoon from one contractor. Coming Tuesday at 7:30 am. Lets see if it happens...
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About a year after moving out of the folk's place my employer went bust (construction in the Reagan years) and I was broke. I lived in my Charger for a while until I got something going. Living without refrigeration, or money, one has to eat differently.
So, the first time I saw one of these guys, I was doing very well. Instead of giving cash, I went to the grocery store and got things I ate when I was struggling, things like dry milk, fruit, peanuts, and Uncle Sam cereal. It's like Wheaties, only 1/3 the price.
When I showed up, they were eating fast food someone else had brought. I handed him my bag and you could see the disappointment on his face. There could have been Rib-eyes in there, he didn't know. I got the impression he was disappointed that it wasn't cash. That was the last time I gave to corner sign worker.
So, the first time I saw one of these guys, I was doing very well. Instead of giving cash, I went to the grocery store and got things I ate when I was struggling, things like dry milk, fruit, peanuts, and Uncle Sam cereal. It's like Wheaties, only 1/3 the price.
When I showed up, they were eating fast food someone else had brought. I handed him my bag and you could see the disappointment on his face. There could have been Rib-eyes in there, he didn't know. I got the impression he was disappointed that it wasn't cash. That was the last time I gave to corner sign worker.
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Back in early 1990 I was doing interior trim and we were working on an old warehouse in the shittiest part of Atlanta on Marietta Blvd. Right next to the old Omni. We had to take the windows out of the brick to replace them with new ones. We had the entire sidewalk taped off so nobody would walk under the big *** lead counterweights falling to the ground. Anyhow it was cleanup time and I was out there with a wheel barrow and a shovel getting up the mess and a black guy comes up to me and asked me for a dollar. I said dude Im broke but if you want to help me clean up this pile of **** I will get you 20 dollars. I fully expected him to walk off. Nope he helped me clear off the rest of the sidewalk. I went and got him the 20 bucks. I then told him if he wanted to make some more money tomorrow come back by and we could pay him to help us some more. He never showed back up. Also had another guy ask me if I wanted to buy some gloves without fingers.. I was like dude I cant use those. So later that day he comes back by and has this little air pump or some **** like that. He says hey man you wanna buy this? I said what is it? He said and I quote "Hell man I don't know" I said I dont know what it is so probably don't need it. He walked off mad. WTF useless gloves and a weird unknown pump... This dude was on crack or something.
Giving money is a def no-go. I’m not supporting anyone’s habit. I'll grab you something to eat. More friggan jobs out there now but they’d rather stand there for hours, begging. Am I missing something? I don’t get it.
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Near the entrance to an Indian casino downtown Milwaukee you’ll see people standing in the median with cardboard signs asking for money…those are the more experienced ones. They don’t stand along the exit side as they know 98% of the people leaving have no cash losing it in the casino..
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Want something done? You might better learn to do it yourself.
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Over the years I have bought and rehabbed many homes for lower income working families. During that time I made friends with some of the tradesmen. We enjoy working together because I know what I need and they get paid immediately when the job is finished. Yesterday, my plumber, and friend, called and asked if I wanted to work with him because he has so much work and can't find any qualified help. I guess I'm the best of what's left.
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Couldn’t get anyone to show up to fix and add to our vinyl fence, take down and remove trees or do some landscaping and a front porch. We did the trees, we ordered the fence material to do ourselves. Porch is on next year’s project list, ourselves again I’m sure.
Mid late 90’s I stopped and the “clown” for lunch. Give me the broke guy special, 2 cheese burgers, small fries and a coke. Leaving the parking lot is a guy with a sign looking for food or money. “I’m hungry “ well I’m hungry too but I offer him one of my cheese burgers. He lols down his nose at me and states “I don’t want that!!!” That was the last time I offered them anything.
I donate to the local food pantry in Enfield that feeds and provides clothing and toys for families in need.
As for work, we are the OEM overhaul facility for Pratt & Whitney industrial jet engines and turbines. We continue to hire complete idiots because that’s all that’s out there. We get a good person from time to time but most are just hacks, it’s so sad. The previous company president wouldn’t hire people from the automotive industry calling us “filthy auto mechanics “ and preferred those from the local A&P (airframe and power plant) school feeling these people were better suited to our industry, not even close. It’s a sad demise to our company and most of us “old guys” are done in the next 3-5 years.
Cliff Ramsdell
Mid late 90’s I stopped and the “clown” for lunch. Give me the broke guy special, 2 cheese burgers, small fries and a coke. Leaving the parking lot is a guy with a sign looking for food or money. “I’m hungry “ well I’m hungry too but I offer him one of my cheese burgers. He lols down his nose at me and states “I don’t want that!!!” That was the last time I offered them anything.
I donate to the local food pantry in Enfield that feeds and provides clothing and toys for families in need.
As for work, we are the OEM overhaul facility for Pratt & Whitney industrial jet engines and turbines. We continue to hire complete idiots because that’s all that’s out there. We get a good person from time to time but most are just hacks, it’s so sad. The previous company president wouldn’t hire people from the automotive industry calling us “filthy auto mechanics “ and preferred those from the local A&P (airframe and power plant) school feeling these people were better suited to our industry, not even close. It’s a sad demise to our company and most of us “old guys” are done in the next 3-5 years.
Cliff Ramsdell
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