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Temperature Issues

I wound up purchasing an aluminum radiator.

I don’t think there is anything damaged with my current 26” radiator. As I noted previously, it’s been gone through, pressure tested, recored, etc by the previous owner (I have the receipt). I am not concerned with not having the factory radiator as my car is not numbers matching or anything. I would up going with an aluminum radiator. It’s supposed to be delivered the first part of next week. I am very optimistic that this will fix my issue. I will post an update as soon as I get it installed and tested. This is a good time to test as it has been around 100 degrees here in Oklahoma seemingly for the last couple weeks.
The key operative words are: "i'm am very optimistic that this will fix my issue".......if it fixes the issue...GREAT.......if it doesn't fix your issue .....what's your plan B?.......Just curious.....
BOB RENTON
 
I knock with anything lower than 91 Octane.
So, it knocks with anything less than 91 octane, but you don’t know where your timing is set? There’s a hint right there. Instead of trying to bandaid your way through this, start with the basics. Make sure your timing is set right, make sure your hood to radiator support seal is in place, make sure your hood to cowl seal is in place, and the lower radiator support to splash pan seal, if your car has one. If your temp goes up sitting at a light, and goes down while driving, it’s an airflow issue. Funnel that air through the radiator, use a clutch fan and a proper conical shaped shroud, and make sure the seals are in place. An aluminum radiator may help in letting more air through, but it needs to be funneled through the radiator, and drawn through with a proper fan and shroud. And check that timing, something is not right there.
 
The key operative words are: "i'm am very optimistic that this will fix my issue".......if it fixes the issue...GREAT.......if it doesn't fix your issue .....what's your plan B?.......Just curious.....
BOB RENTON
If it doesn’t fix the issue , then I’ll keep at it till I figure it out. This would actually be plan D. Shroud was plan A, water pump was plan B and the radiator is plan C. Radiator came today but it will be the weekend before I get it installed.
 
So, it knocks with anything less than 91 octane, but you don’t know where your timing is set? There’s a hint right there. Instead of trying to bandaid your way through this, start with the basics. Make sure your timing is set right, make sure your hood to radiator support seal is in place, make sure your hood to cowl seal is in place, and the lower radiator support to splash pan seal, if your car has one. If your temp goes up sitting at a light, and goes down while driving, it’s an airflow issue. Funnel that air through the radiator, use a clutch fan and a proper conical shaped shroud, and make sure the seals are in place. An aluminum radiator may help in letting more air through, but it needs to be funneled through the radiator, and drawn through with a proper fan and shroud. And check that timing, something is not right there.
I checked the timing a few weeks ago. All good there. Also, the radiator that is coming off the 68 is going on a different car so there was plan there……
 
I checked the timing a few weeks ago. All good there. Also, the radiator that is coming off the 68 is going on a different car so there was plan there……
What is the timing? Initial and total.
 
If it doesn’t fix the issue , then I’ll keep at it till I figure it out. This would actually be plan D. Shroud was plan A, water pump was plan B and the radiator is plan C. Radiator came today but it will be the weekend before I get it installed.
What is the pitch diameter of the water pump sheave? Remember the more rpms of the pump will result in higher circulated VELOCITY and VOLUME of coolant promoting better heat exchange in both block, heads and radiator as more heat will be transfered. Do not believe in the belief that the coolant must be slow thru the radiator to relief the heat...that's BS....High VELOCITY is the key to heat transfer. Shop for a sheave with smaller PD but the same bolt circle as your existing sheave....
BOB RENTON
 
What is the timing? Initial and total.
12 initial and I cannot remember total. I believe I’ve got it written down in the shop. My neighbor, who is more mechanically inclined than I am checked with both timing light and vacuum pressure guage.
 
What is the pitch diameter of the water pump sheave? Remember the more rpms of the pump will result in higher circulated VELOCITY and VOLUME of coolant promoting better heat exchange in both block, heads and radiator as more heat will be transfered. Do not believe in the belief that the coolant must be slow thru the radiator to relief the heat...that's BS....High VELOCITY is the key to heat transfer. Shop for a sheave with smaller PD but the same bolt circle as your existing sheave....
BOB RENTON
 
Measured from top of the pitch point to the next corresponding one and it is 5/8 and the angle depth is 1/2”. I’ll have to google figuring pitch diameter as not having calculated that before. The part number for the sheave is 38979.
 
In post #9 Radical Rob gave you the best bit of knowledge in this whole thread....

"Temp dropping as you pick up speed is a hint that you need more airflow"


Your moving enough water, Your radiator is capable of cooling your engine.... You need to move more air through the radiator....
 
Measured from top of the pitch point to the next corresponding one and it is 5/8 and the angle depth is 1/2”. I’ll have to google figuring pitch diameter as not having calculated that before. The part number for the sheave is 38979.
To figure pitch diameter

Step 1:​


outside diameter (OD)

First, measure the outside diameter (OD) of the pulley.

Step 2:​


pitch diameter (PD)

Next, measure the pitch diameter (PD). This measurement represents the diameter of the belt itself as it rides in the pulley. This step is not necessary if you already know your V-belt size or if the pulley and belt are significantly worn.
The slip rpm of the fan's clutch is important; slipping too soon results in low sir flow. Incorrect fan also affects sir flow at low speed. That's why a torque dtive fan clutch will allow the fan to move more air at lower RPMs. I don't think that Hayden offers a torque dtive clutch. The MOPAR # 2806070 clutch, (oem is Eaton) is torque drive unit...available thru several suppliers as repro units. A seven blade fan (7) Is critical.....stay away ftom the flex blade/fiberglass units....they are prone to failure.
BOB RENTON
 
Have a 2747 on the shelf if you need it just shoot me a message and name your price.
 
To figure pitch diameter

Step 1:​


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First, measure the outside diameter (OD) of the pulley.

Step 2:​


View attachment 1691564
Next, measure the pitch diameter (PD). This measurement represents the diameter of the belt itself as it rides in the pulley. This step is not necessary if you already know your V-belt size or if the pulley and belt are significantly worn.
The slip rpm of the fan's clutch is important; slipping too soon results in low sir flow. Incorrect fan also affects sir flow at low speed. That's why a torque dtive fan clutch will allow the fan to move more air at lower RPMs. I don't think that Hayden offers a torque dtive clutch. The MOPAR # 2806070 clutch, (oem is Eaton) is torque drive unit...available thru several suppliers as repro units. A seven blade fan (7) Is critical.....stay away ftom the flex blade/fiberglass units....they are prone to failure.
BOB RENTON
Bob, would fan clutch part 2947 fall into the category you are talking about regarding the fan clutch? Hayden and Murray use that part number. I was looking at that clutch as it has the less than 3” depth option which the 2747 and others don’t seem to have. Also looking up the 2806070 part number a few places note it’s a clutch for a non AC car. Mine has vintage air. Does that matter? I will go through my pulley dimensions and get that figured out (thanks for the diagram!). I do have the 7 blade, 18-1/2 fan so I’m good there.
 
Have a 2747 on the shelf if you need it just shoot me a message and name your price.
Thanks for the offer. I had to return a 2747 clutch that I already had as it’s now too thick for the radiator I have.
 
Get a clutch from a 91 Jaguar. I don’t know the number anymore. It’s known as the problem solver for tight radiator clearance. I’ve had them on several mopars over the years. I don’t know if it’s a torque drive or not, but I do know they work.
 
Get a clutch from a 91 Jaguar. I don’t know the number anymore. It’s known as the problem solver for tight radiator clearance. I’ve had them on several mopars over the years. I don’t know if it’s a torque drive or not, but I do know they work.
The Jag clutch is 2765 it's ok, the 2947 is shorter still and drives the fan a higher percentage of the time..
 
Bob, would fan clutch part 2947 fall into the category you are talking about regarding the fan clutch? Hayden and Murray use that part number. I was looking at that clutch as it has the less than 3” depth option which the 2747 and others don’t seem to have. Also looking up the 2806070 part number a few places note it’s a clutch for a non AC car. Mine has vintage air. Does that matter? I will go through my pulley dimensions and get that figured out (thanks for the diagram!). I do have the 7 blade, 18-1/2 fan so I’m good there.
The # 2806070 clutch is TORQUE DRIVE unit installed on MOPAR'S HP engines.....it will not slip at low rpms. It will work on a non a/c car just fine, but may be a little noisier at low speed. As a repro unit, it's expensive..~ $300. Every one balks at the repro cost; price for the Hayden unit at ~ $50. By using aftermarket radiators, space to accomodate the correct clutch becomes critical, hence the use of the HAYDEN clutch, which does not perform adequately. As I see it, your easiest solution is drive the water pump faster for a higher fluid flow (velocity). A suggested sheave for the water pump is # 2946716 and a suggested fan is # 2863216 (a HEMI 7 aluminum blade steep pitch blade shape at 18 1/2" diameter). You can find both on line and thru MOPAR only part suppliers.
BOB RENTON
 
That jag clutch struggles with a Big block and AC in the Midwest . Use the correct short one not the jag one. The jag one slip too much.
 
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To check your idle / low speed air flow through the radiator.
Have the engine at operating temp, hood closed and the car parked engine at low idle.
A dollar bill or piece of paper should be held to the grille center just by air movment.
Pull it half way off , let go it should go right back on the grille.
 
To check your idle / low speed air flow through the radiator.
Have the engine at operating temp, hood closed and the car parked engine at low idle.
A dollar bill or piece of paper should be held to the grille center just by air movment.
Pull it half way off , let go it should go right back on the grille.
Air flow is measured by CFM (Cubic Feet / Minute) x SP (Static Pressure) at a given density. What is the AREA of the radiator you're holding the dollar bill against......that proves nothing except air is being pulled thru.......it doesn't show HOW MUCH AIR (CFM) is being moved or the pressure or the engine rpm.....
BOB RENTON
 
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