The 1969 Z/28

[Budnicks]

The 69 Z28 is a sharp car, but I'd rather have a 69 Trans Am.

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if real 69 T/A, 400cid Ram Air III motor/engine
it's A whole lot more $$ than the run of the mill z28 too,
far more rare car
& yes I agree, a tad bit more class, more trim & quick

& I like gen 1 Camaros, I had a bunch of real 67 & 68 z28s
they weren't badged as z28, then it was just an option #, line item with restrictions

the disc brakes options (especially rears) on the z28 was a huge deal
all z28 (in gen 1) were 4 speeds & 12 bolt multi-leaf cars,
you could get a RS option, with the hide away headlights/grill
hallo' vinyl roofs, where it didn't go all the way to the edge of the drip rails
everything was an option on them (except A/C or Auto)
so was the 'cross ram' w/2 Holley's linkage etc., a big $$ deal now
(sort of a Smokey Ram intake w/2x4bbls, never was factory installed, it came in the trunk)
that DZ302 motor needs 'long tube' 1-3/4" headers (&/or 1.6:1 rockers too)
to help breath, really wakes them up, way over the 290hp rating, big valve 2.02" heads
so it can rev to near 7,000 rpm easily
(the OE cast iron manifold suck/really restrict it big time)
they all could be had with optional chambered (2-1/4" ?) exhaust,
it was like permanent dimpling in the pipe, w/no crossover muffler
or could get a fresh air/cowl induction hood, it wasn't std equipment
IIRC the disc brake cars came with the 15x7 (?) Rally Wheels,
with the trim rings & almost flush mini caps
(reg. rally wheels had a bigger longer style center cap)
they could be had with painted steelies & small 'poverty style' hubcaps
the gauges either 3 or 5 IIRC lil' rectangular gauges on the top/front of console,
was a big deal too, rare to have the console & the gauges,
lots of cars with consoles with out them, too

there's lots of really well done clones,
you could get (a lot) cheaper than a real documented 1969 z28
& there a tone of fakes, 5-10+ (maybe 20 times) times as many selling,
then GM ever built, with way more in red/white stripes, than were ever org. built/bought
or outright frauds out there,
be careful if you go after a high $$ car, should have documentation

I've forgot more than I remember, especially the codes or #s of the options
which now I have no idea, haven't dealt with then since 2005

in this case the -www- is your friend go to trusted Camaro sites, some are pricks
just get the info you need, don't need to buddy up with anyone


good luck

 

[33 IMP]

Many many years ago, a friend bought a 68 camaro off a chevy dealers used car lot. Dealer told him it was a 275 horse 327.
I looked it over when he brought it to church the first time. I knew something wasn't right with it right away. WAY too many clues. Make a short story short.... he bought an unmarked all-original Z28.
I've thought for many years that it was a early 68 car with no Z28 marking like the 67s, but it MAY have had the markings removed by the original owner, to make a sleeper out of it. It sure fooled the chevy dealer, and my friend. Didn't fool me.

 

[440 PHIXX]

So really it comes down to tags if the motor and trans are not original? On some of our cars, like my year and model, there are a lot of other things that have to be correct for the tag to match the car. Suspension, etc. that is not original to the base models of the same body. Sounds like a fairly easy thing to fake if you have a wrecked Z28. Just pop the tags off and voila you can slap them on a base model, add a 12 bolt rear end and call it a non numbers matching Z28?

And that’s why matching numbers became a thing. The VIN and body tag doesn’t indicate the original engine on GM cars until MY 1972.

 

[DynaBro]

So you guys think this one is BS? Obviously molested to hell and back with the original drivetrain long gone and I only see a single leaf. Otherwise it hits a few of the points.

1969 Chevrolet Camaro 2dr Coupe Z28

Blue 1969 Chevrolet Camaro 2dr Coupe Z28 with Black interior for sale in Ardmore. Shop Red Line Auto Sports Inc. for great deals on all our Chevrolet inventory.

redlinemusclecars.com

 

[autoxcuda]

Those cars are scam magnets. Probably scariest musclecar model to buy.

So many fakes. So many with poor docs and provenance. Owner after owner over many years buying the same dubious Z28. So even the resto's look vintage and blame is washed clean over years and transactions.

You need to be 100% on your game if you want one.

 

[DynaBro]

Yeah methinks an honest clone is a better way to go.

 

[33 IMP]

Dynabro: crucial point, can your dad still drive a stick? Bad knees? Bad hip? Out of practice?
You need answers before proceeding. A clone with an auto might be a better choice.

 

[gtxdana]

So you guys think this one is BS? Obviously molested to hell and back with the original drivetrain long gone and I only see a single leaf. Otherwise it hits a few of the points.

http://[URL]https://redlinemuscleca...-1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-for-sale-in-Ardmore-OK

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The cowl tag matches the vin range and appears legit. It does have the rear bumper guards which came with the Z/28 package. Chances are it's real, but there are a lot of incorrect parts, and it really is an overpriced turd. That grille emblem in the wrong place is a nice touch. There are much better cars out there at that price point.

 

[DynaBro]

The cowl tag matches the vin range and appears legit. It does have the rear bumper guards which came with the Z/28 package. Chances are it's real, but there are a lot of incorrect parts, and it really is an overpriced turd. That grille emblem in the wrong place is a nice touch. There are much better cars out there at that price point.

Higher than I am interested in anyway just thought it was worth posting because it hit a few marks.

Dynabro: crucial point, can your dad still drive a stick? Bad knees? Bad hip? Out of practice?
You need answers before proceeding. A clone with an auto might be a better choice.

He ripped around in my 4 speed SuperBee a bit.

 

[1 Wild R/T]

I agree, a stock 302 with a 3.73 gear was a turd. I used a 4.30 or 4.56 to wake them up. I liked mine, but sold my last one to buy a 70 RR 440 6 pack and never looked back.
Tons of clones out there that have more power, yet give the look and feel of an original car.

Buddy of mine had one that he'd put 4:56's in... Fun ride.... One of our local high rollers made him an offer he couldn't refuse... First thing the guy did was have 3:73's put back in.... Might as well cut it poor things balls off....

 

[gdrill]

Your father has great taste. The car that laid out the design for the future Challenger body.

 

[AR67GTX]

Buying one for a toy it’s best to follow the big block C2 Corvette approach. Don’t pay more than a clone or NOM price no matter how rare, original and valuable the seller tries to present it. Perfect and documented cars are best to just past on by. Given enough effort and money just about anything can be faked.

 

[BB BELLA]

I agree, a stock 302 with a 3.73 gear was a turd. I used a 4.30 or 4.56 to wake them up. I liked mine, but sold my last one to buy a 70 RR 440 6 pack and never looked back.
Tons of clones out there that have more power, yet give the look and feel of an original car.

waking up, and making them pretty useless for other than racing! 3.73 with a 4 speed and good driver is pretty potent! my 68 400hp sb/rock crusher/4.56 was quick but pretty useless other than around town!
I should have put a 3.73 in it!
operator makes a big difference, my son who can fix them and isn't afraid of breaking **** can go through the gears in an nv4500 like it's a lenco!

 

[Nxcoupe]

waking up, and making them pretty useless for other than racing! 3.73 with a 4 speed and good driver is pretty potent! my 68 400hp sb/rock crusher/4.56 was quick but pretty useless other than around town!
I should have put a 3.73 in it!
operator makes a big difference, my son who can fix them and isn't afraid of breaking **** can go through the gears in an nv4500 like it's a lenco!

This is totally your opinion of fast and not fact. They lacked bottom end, springs were weak so the valves would float over 6k, stock, they sucked. I had several, drove them daily and really liked the cars, but my bb 69 would run circles around them. I only used 3.73 or 4.10s in them and driver can't make a car fast, lol, it either is or it isn't. I could hold my own in the street races because I can drive a stick, but bringing a knife to a gun fight is a losing proposition.

 

[1 Wild R/T]

waking up, and making them pretty useless for other than racing! 3.73 with a 4 speed and good driver is pretty potent! my 68 400hp sb/rock crusher/4.56 was quick but pretty useless other than around town!
I should have put a 3.73 in it!
operator makes a big difference, my son who can fix them and isn't afraid of breaking **** can go through the gears in an nv4500 like it's a lenco!

4:56's go down the freeway just fine, as long as the engine is built properly and the driver ain't spoiled by having driven cars with overdrive their whole life...

I personally drove a 440-6 Challenger with 4:10's and 295/50-15 tires round trip to San Diego & back, round trip over 1000 miles...

3600 rpms = 70 mph

A close friend drove his 34 Coupe with a DZ 302 5:13's and a 28" tire round trip to Carson City and back round trip close to 300 miles....

4000 rpms = 65 mph

 

[guy gadbois]

This is totally your opinion of fast and not fact. They lacked bottom end, springs were weak so the valves would float over 6k, stock, they sucked. I had several, drove them daily and really liked the cars, but my bb 69 would run circles around them. I only used 3.73 or 4.10s in them and driver can't make a car fast, lol, it either is or it isn't. I could hold my own in the street races because I can drive a stick, but bringing a knife to a gun fight is a losing proposition.

Must disagree. That 302 would go 7k all day. Had a friend - RIP John - that worked at a dealer in Wichita and got one of the few 67s new. Couldn't make it go. Got frustrated and called Chevrolet; talked to Vince Piggins himself. When queried about preparation and driving style, Mr Piggins told John that he couldn't drive it like his 55. Told him to wind it up to 7 and let it loose and see what happens. Even personally stated that warranty would apply if something went wrong! John did as he was instructed and it was whole new world...
You're right about no low end torque tho; those 302s preferred RPMs!

 

[gtx6970]

I think it comes down to paperwork and records for provenance. A car with provenance is going to be more expensive of course.

This ^^^^


Friend of mine has one he is thinking to sell. And he has the paperwork to back it up I believe
Real Z, Cortez Silver blk int, I dont know if its original motor or not. But think it is

The Cowl hood was optional but came later in the model year.

It was added to this car shown btw

I'll ask how much if its of interest

Car is currently located just outside Phoenix AZ area
I looked at in in Dec, but just casually.
I was more interested in its garage mate
Real 1967 RT conv, Hemi 4spd,,,ALSO for sale. But the Z is A LOT cheaper $$$$. Its one of two built


EDIT, Confirmed . It is the number matching engine
Low 6 figure car $$$
If it happens to fit the budget .
PM me and I will get you in touch with the owner. All I ask is be very serious

 

[Nxcoupe]

waking up, and making them pretty useless for other than racing! 3.73 with a 4 speed and good driver is pretty potent! my 68 400hp sb/rock crusher/4.56 was quick but pretty useless other than around town!
I should have put a 3.73 in it!
operator makes a big difference, my son who can fix them and isn't afraid of breaking **** can go through the gears in an nv4500 like it's a lenco!

This is totally your opinion of fast and not fact. They lacked bottom end, springs were weak so the valves would float over 6k, stock, they sucked. I had several, drove them daily and really liked the cars, but my bb 69 would run circles around them. I only used 3.73 or 4.10s in them and driver can't make a car fast, lol, it either is or it isn't. I could hold my own in the street races because I can drive a stick, but bringing a knife to a gun fight is a losing

This ^^^^


Friend of mine has one he is thinking to sell. And he has the paperwork to back it up I believe
Real Z, Cortez Silver blk int, I dont know if its original motor or not. But think it is

The Cowl hood was optional but came later in the model year.

It was added to this car shown btw

I'll ask how much if its of interest

Car is currently located just outside Phoenix AZ area
I looked at in in Dec, but just casually.
I was more interested in its garage mate
Real 1967 RT conv, Hemi 4spd,,,ALSO for sale. But the Z is A LOT cheaper $$$$. Its one of two built


EDIT, Confirmed . It is the number matching engine
Low 6 figure car $$$
If it happens to fit the budget .
PM me and I will get you in touch with the owner. All I ask is be very serious

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That is a twin to my last one. No way I would give 6 figures for a Camaro, but that's just me.

 

[Nxcoupe]

4:56's go down the freeway just fine, as long as the engine is built properly and the driver ain't spoiled by having driven cars with overdrive their whole life...

I personally drove a 440-6 Challenger with 4:10's and 295/50-15 tires round trip to San Diego & back, round trip over 1000 miles...

3600 rpms = 70 mph

A close friend drove his 34 Coupe with a DZ 302 5:13's and a 28" tire round trip to Carson City and back round trip close to 300 miles....

4000 rpms = 65 mph

This^

 

[BB BELLA]

well maybe you guys did that, but my 68 couldn't go 100miles on 18gallons AV with 4.56's! 13.5/1 with holley 750dp. even back in 87 av was $3.40gallon! young and dumb back then now I wouldn't even drive it to town! my little 21' boat burns 50g/hr. wot. with 2-245's but I'm getting my moneys worth out of the entire ride!