Toyota's Woes

[Revhendo]

Toyota's woes....

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So, what do you guys think?
Sticky throttle pedals? Aggressive floor mats?

I'm starting to think that it's a software problem. Most fly-by-wire pedals I have encountered are basically a hi-tech version of a potentiometer with a spring in it to provide resistance. I can't see it actually "sticking", but I suppose it's possible. I think it's more likely that the computer that handles the cruise control is taking over and accelerating the vehicle.

Being a car guy, I am thinking why aren't these folks reaching for the ignition key? Having had a throttle stuck on me before, I can say that that works.
I have heard repeatedly about these cars going to 100 MPH, I know that these Yota's won't cover a quarter in less than 17 seconds from a standing start. That's alot of time to react. I'm just saying.....
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[69HEMICORONETR/TCONV]

In my opinion, I have one thought that is really disturbing, ..........It is the fact that they want to supply the Plants with the new replacement parts first, rather than the dealerships so they can take care of the customers and the cars they have already sold. A prime example of Piss Poor customer service, I hope these people recognize and remember this when they purchase their next new vehicle.

 

[Donny]

Ironically, my neighbor, the same guy I just Media Blasted his MGB, he owns an 08 Toyota 4 dr. SUV built on the Camry chassis, he's a network engineer and he thinks its software too. If this is the case, Toyota needs to swap out all the computers in all their cars; that will really hurt them! He had his accelerate a few months ago, he put it in neutral, and it kept revving, then, it finally stepped down.

 

[69 Runner]

Possibly software, but I don't care. People need to understand that these Japanese cars really aren't what GOD would drive if he needed a car. They aren't any better than the DOMESTICS, and in this case seem to be a lot WORSE.

I say :censored: them, and the horse they rode in on

 

[moparstuart]

Possibly software, but I don't care. People need to understand that these Japanese cars really aren't what GOD would drive if he needed a car. They aren't any better than the DOMESTICS, and in this case seem to be a lot WORSE.

I say :censored: them, and the horse they rode in on

:rolling::rolling::rolling: what he said :yes::yes::yes:

 

[Propwash]

I say :censored: them, and the horse they rode in on

Amen brother!

I agree with the software theory with the Prius. Freightliner and Volvo both had similar issues when the electronics came into play with their rigs in the early to mid 90's......I'd rather be hit by an out of control Toyota though.

 

[69HEMICORONETR/TCONV]

Possibly software, but I don't care. People need to understand that these Japanese cars really aren't what GOD would drive if he needed a car. They aren't any better than the DOMESTICS, and in this case seem to be a lot WORSE.

I say :censored: them, and the horse they rode in on

Agreed. :yes: couldn't have said it any better.

 

[66_B_Body4ever]

It is an unknown and undocumented fact that Toyota will do anything to preserve their image, and are very unwilling to release recall bulletins/tsb's etc. It is seen as a huge disgrace to have to admit they have made a mistake or have produced an inferior product. My Brother in law bought a new Tacoma last year and has had 3 fairly major recalls on the truck including suspension and exhaust issues. You won't find these recalls in the AllData TSB list... It's refreshing to see Toyota get knocked down a peg or two, I get sick of hearing how good the imports are and the blind faith people have for these brands...not that I am biased...lol. But when they talk of 500K km's on a toyota pu I want to let them know about the 500K miles I put on my valiant and then sold it! So much BS...My 97 Dakota has 120K miles (200K Kms) and the only major thing other than maintenance I have replaced is the rear pinion shaft bearing at 160K kms.
Our R/T Avenger has amazing fit and finish...and is a great car...

 

[davidj3594]

just goes to show that u cant go wrong with a domestic.besides reaching for the ignition dont they have a hand brake or just put it in neutral?

 

[RGAZ]

Toyota's woes....

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Being a car guy, I am thinking why aren't these folks reaching for the ignition key? Having had a throttle stuck on me before, I can say that that works.
I have heard repeatedly about these cars going to 100 MPH, I know that these Yota's won't cover a quarter in less than 17 seconds from a standing start. That's alot of time to react. I'm just saying.....
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I am not defending Toyota or anyone who had an accident when this happened, but keep in mind the average citizen when you think about this:

Most of the Toyota's noted are keyless. They have a pushbutton to start and stop the car. The pushbutton is disabled when the car is moving so you can't accidentally turn off the car at 80 MPH. For a newer Lexus and Toyota you are supposed to know that to stop a racing engine is to hold the start button in for three seconds. Ok, so almost no one knows this, so guess what, people put the car in neutral and the engine races at full throttle or they lay on the brakes until their leg hurts or worse, they just try and get out and let the car go. Ford requires you to push the button multiple times to get it to kill (that seems more natural to a panic'ed american), nissan/infiniti does the same, I think Toyota goofed on the kill method and that is burning them even more.

Second, As an electrical engineer and previous computer programmer, when it was suggested to design the average sedan to drive by wire, I shivered down in the deepest depths of fear. It can easily be a software problem which IF they can find it, is an easy fix (2 seond download), if its a HARDWARE problem, i.e. electrical interference, environmental issues, chip variations, then Toyota is in trouble. Those are really hard to diagnose and even when you think you have a fix, something else can bite you in the rear. Trust me, I did design work on the power systems on the a well-known military helicopter and everytime I thought the shield design would do the job, the smallest thing would make the whole design crash (pun intented).

I feel sorry for the Toyota Engineers right now, I am sure they are being blamed 100% for this even though financial decisions drive their options. Pre-production testing ain't cheap or quick.

Randy

 

[Pistol Pete]

The more complicated they make ****, the more it just ends in tears.

Give me my throttle cable back.

 

[wannadrag]

The more complicated they make ****, the more it just ends in tears.

Give me my throttle cable back.

:yes:

 

[scotts74birds]

I work for Chrysler, and I agree with most of what was said. This week it was Toyotas turn to get bit in the *** by a subcontracted part. Instead of doing the engineering, they thought it would be easier and cheaper to "backcharge" suppliers for any problems. Daimler/Chrysler found this out when they went cheap on the "trail-rated" Libertys ball joints [a part that has been perfected for a hundred years!]. When you are sitting on the side of the road with your wheels pointed in different directions, you dont care about excuses, or who the supplier is, or who will get backcharged. You are pissed at the name on the hood! The race to the bottom for the cheapest suppliers continues. "The Sorrow of Poor Quality Endures Long After the Joy of Low Price is Forgotten"!

 

[66_B_Body4ever]

RGAZ said:
I feel sorry for the Toyota Engineers right now, I am sure they are being blamed 100% for this even though financial decisions drive their options. Pre-production testing ain't cheap or quick.
-Randy

True, the engineers are probably impaling themselves on swords as we speak...I have been fortunate enough to have visited Toyota's design and testing facilities in Japan and they are fanatical about R&D, it is an unusual situation for Toyota, but when you get that big...something has to slip through the cracks. The one thing I have noticed being in the collision repair industry is the fit and finish that used to be their strong point has slipped immensely.

 

[wedgie]

Not enough residual nuclear fallout from 1945.

 

[OG max wedge]

RGAZ said:
I feel sorry for the Toyota Engineers right now, I am sure they are being blamed 100% for this even though financial decisions drive their options. Pre-production testing ain't cheap or quick.
-Randy

True, the engineers are probably impaling themselves on swords as we speak...I have been fortunate enough to have visited Toyota's design and testing facilities in Japan and they are fanatical about R&D, it is an unusual situation for Toyota, but when you get that big...something has to slip through the cracks. The one thing I have noticed being in the collision repair industry is the fit and finish that used to be their strong point has slipped immensely.

back in the olden days they would have impaled themselfs on the sword so they didn't have to face the firing squad... nowadays all they have to say is oops, pay the class action suit and all is fogiven... except for the lost sales

 

[RH62]

Not enough residual nuclear fallout from 1945.

what the hell are you talkin about? Really?

You guys can say F-em and all that stuff, but its going to end up hurting us just as bad or even more then them.
Sure they are going to lose money on making the corrections... and lose sales from people who are scared to buy them now... But were its going to hurt us is when they stop contracting american companys to produce their parts or even close down plants because their sales have taken such a big hit. I think it is a rather scary thought for our economy.

 

[Donny]

I was thinking about a new Tacoma, not now...plus they are way too expensive, and I want to enjoy no car payments for a while!

 

[Meep-Meep]

Now here's a different twist to this problem (watch video) -
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201002030055

 

[Revhendo]

Not enough residual nuclear fallout from 1945.

You really should be ashamed.