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Worth it or not

Just bugging, well if I can get 440HP from 318 with out breaking the bank then I can do that, but if I can only get an extra 50hp with 400 and still need to rebuild it and store both engines, I will go on the net and reseach my best options and go from there, thanks for all the help.
 
because of the questions you are asking I say beef up the 318.Baby steps before you can run. Swapping to bb isnt just twisting a few bolts. A cam and top end swap will wake that 318 up and in the process give you some real world experience. Use the search function here and read some big block build threads. To swap you will end up needing different radiator,exhaust,trans and probably rear. Do your research first and you will be many dollars ahead.Another thing to consider is you can beef up the 318 while you drive it and swap parts on the weekend. Going Rb you may take weeks or months to finish.
 
Yep, you got my "good cop", now here's the bad cop...

You need more book time (and perhaps more hands on time with simpler projects).

You can get about 100-150 extra HP from your 318 in a somewhat cost effective manner.
Depending on what your compression ratio is, that would put you somewhere in the 250-325 HP range. To get that next 100 HP, is gonna cost quite a bit more, and be a lot more expensive per HP gained.

If you're not up on performance mods to a 318, you certainly aren't up to a BB swap in a SB car.

However, if you have a couple grand and are planning on paying someone about $750 or so (that's the rate around here) to swap a complete 400/727 all inclusive (along with any driveshaft mods), then maybe you'll be OK.

* IIRC, the book HP on a mid 70's 400 is about 250 NET, so your in the same ballpark as a built (correctly) 318, but the perfomance characteristics and driving experience between the two will be totally different.
 
because of the questions you are asking I say beef up the 318.Baby steps before you can run. Swapping to bb isnt just twisting a few bolts. A cam and top end swap will wake that 318 up and in the process give you some real world experience. Use the search function here and read some big block build threads. To swap you will end up needing different radiator,exhaust,trans and probably rear. Do your research first and you will be many dollars ahead.Another thing to consider is you can beef up the 318 while you drive it and swap parts on the weekend. Going Rb you may take weeks or months to finish.
listen to the devil!put the $1000 into the small block and you will get a good amount of power for street use.
 
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I have a 72 charger with a stock 318 but not matching numbers, and have the chance to buy a 400 with 727 trans running as I speak for 1000 OBO and is from a 73 newport. So should I go for the change and what should be the most I should pay for it. Plus is there that much difference I will notice. Thanks
Darren

The 73 Newport 400ci engine is a smog engine & is more torque than the 318ci, but it's also a low HP version too, IMHO not really worth $1000 unless it's a fresh rebuilds on both the engine & trans then it's maybe worth $1000... You could spend the $1000-$1250 on the lowly little 318ci, you maybe pleasantly surprised how well it can run, with out having to change the original engine & trans, I suggest you buy some books & do some research, then Call Mancini Racing get a new 0.470"-0.500" gross lift max, w/270*-280* advertised duration camshaft, lifters, springs, retainers, seals & lock in full kit form, at a qualified machine shop, have the heads cleaned & a multi-angle performance type valve job & the heads matting surface shaved 0.020"-0.030" or what ever the most the machinist recommends, to boost the low compression 318ci's 8:1 compression up some, boost the power level some too, if you don't know how to assemble a set of heads, have the machinist do that also, {if your brave & get some books & knowledge, then maybe you can try to gasket match the intake & cylinder heads ports intake & exhaust sides, by using the intake & exhaust gaskets as a template, mark them out & use a carbide tipped dremmel or peanut grinder, don't hog them out, blend in 1" to 1-1/2" or so max, make sure they are completely clean & clear of any debris, just to smooth out the transition & have much better head flow}, also a new Quality timing chain & gear set change, then some either 1-5/8" to 1-3/4" long tube headers w/3" collectors, attch them thru 2-1/4" to 2-1/2" dual full manderel bent exhaust w/H-pipe installed {like Flowmasters}, then an Edelbrock RPM Dual Plane 4bbl aluminum intake "NON EGR" type, then a "new" 650cfm-670cfm Holley Street Avenger Vacuum Secondary Carburetor w/electric choke & appropriate Holley throttle linkage piece, easy set up that way {probably the most expensive single part, but well worth the cost in performance & IMHO better than a Edelbrock 4bbl}, a hotter ignition coil like a MSD Blaster 2 & a Chrysler Electronic Ignition system in full kit form, if you don't have it already, then get an Orange ECU controller {distributor, Orange ECU, ballast resister, wire harness kit from Mancini Racing}, also a full Felpro Permatorgue engine & head gasket set, you will need almost the whole thing anyway, it's cheaper than buying them single pieces at a time, buy a Xtreme K&N gauze type air cleaner/filter, way better flow than a paper type... Buy a 72 Charger "Factory Service Manual" for engine/trans spec.s & torque settings, many other great points of information, electrical & body, etc., get a higher "stall speed" Torque Converter like a 2200-2500rpm stall speed 11" Mopar Performance & a Transgo or other transmission shift kit.... By a Book "How to build a LA Small Block Mopar" You could get most all of the parts & books you want & need from Mancini Racing, call them @ Tech. Line 586-790-4100, tell them what your doing, they won't steer you wrong.... "I think you will be surprised how much performance you can get out of that lowly little LA 318ci engine", it will double the HP/TQ you have now pretty easily, it's a win/win situation... Summit Racing is also a good place to shop.... Good luck & HAPPY MOPARING
 
Thanks Budnicks, I am capable of doing what ever needs to be done, even with swapping out engines and tranny, I own a 2006 f350 6L diesel and if I can keep this pos running and do it myself, then the old one will be fine. I just don't want to start the wrong way and end up with 2/3 engines and parts to build 5 cars lol, just want a starting point, and then what ever way is the better way then I will research that. Thanks guys for all the info and will let you know what way I end up going. Thx
 
I have to agree with bud on this, i have a 400 from a 73 Charger that i got for the same reason your thinking, and ive learned a lot about the small 318 over the past 6 years, mine is pretty much all stock and real peppy for what it is, ive had many 318 engines the one in a 70 RR that wouldn't come close to this one which surprised me a lot, they really arent a good engine for TQ but if all ive read, for a 1,000 bucks you could really make a hot running engine without all the things you may have to do to switch drive trains, All i know for fact about mine is that it has a roller cam in it and the 4 barrel carb and headers, it is the original block but heads are from a 75. I just don't think it would pay to change it to just have a BB engine.. I bought a set of sure grip 410 gears to compensate for the TQ right now it doesn't have, so im going to be loosing some good miles on a fill up.. but i think worth it for the miles i put on it each summer. I changed my mind from switching, im not saying you should but some research on what you can do with the 318 with 1000 you may be pleasantly surprised.. The 400 really didn't have much HP, stock in 73- up.. Good luck however you go.. :)
 
Thanks Budnicks, I am capable of doing what ever needs to be done, even with swapping out engines and tranny, I own a 2006 f350 6L diesel and if I can keep this pos running and do it myself, then the old one will be fine. I just don't want to start the wrong way and end up with 2/3 engines and parts to build 5 cars lol, just want a starting point, and then what ever way is the better way then I will research that. Thanks guys for all the info and will let you know what way I end up going. Thx

Your welcome... A quality set of ported cylinder heads is a must, if you want the most out of any size cubic inch engine, hands down the biggest single thing to make the engine breath better, make the most capable HP/TQ available, they are just "big air pumps" after-all, what goes in must come out, effieciantly.... If you have the money, a set of ported LA-X RHS heads {or box stock & port them latter on, they will still out flow any other stock cast iron Mopar cylinder head}, on that little 318ci will make it scream....
 
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Well thanks guys, the guy with 400 wont
drop much, so I will rebuild this one, I have 1500 + I can put into 318, so will starWell thanks guys, the guy with 400 wont and order things up. Remember everything up in canada is twice + the cost as down there, they are crocks out here. So I will go over the list you guys posted and start working on it.THX
 
I say find a 440 and trans....a 318 will only do so much...I would say look in the Detroit area craigslist and pay the shipping..I have never had a problem finding a 440 block....If its money that's the problem....400 is better than 318 ALL DAY LONG...nice *** car BTW..
 
I say find a 440 and trans....a 318 will only do so much...I would say look in the Detroit area craigslist and pay the shipping..I have never had a problem finding a 440 block....If its money that's the problem....400 is better than 318 ALL DAY LONG...nice *** car BTW..

I would normally agree, only if he had a much larger budget, with his budget $1500 Canadian Dollars, won't get much in the way of any decent 440/727, plus the different drive line, radiator, mounts, linkages, exhaust system &/or accessories, he will also need to buy, they ain't cheap as you probably all well know, getting a good 440/727 that isn't in need of a total rebuild, is probably way more, than $1500 budget he has, at this point in time, he can always do that at a latter date, when he has a bigger budget to deal with, accumulate parts for the 440 or even a 400/451ci build, better than a 440 build, gather stuff over time & he can still go out & have some fun with a screamen' little 318ci, in the mean time, learn how tune, for performance app.'s & what different parts can do for your combo... I beat many a supposedly high HP big blocks, with some pretty small cubic inch engines, especially set up & tuned correctly, there's also something about when, someone asks what you beat them with ??, "you say a lowly little 318", they will never believe you, LOL... bragging rights when you whop on a big block.... Don't get me wrong, I'm the 1st guy who will say, "there's no replacement for displacement" I have a stroker engine in my car & have for many years now, but I also had a much larger budget, to deal with too, than $1500....
 
**** I can spend 4,000 grand if that is the better choice. I can get that 400/727 for 800can and if you think I can rebuild it better then looking for a 440, I can start shopping now and have eveything to start over the winter and might have 5 or more $$$$ to spend. I have bodyman coming over thursday night to see what I need and don't need for bodywork and frame looks solid, so depends on what is needed for that will vary on what I have to spend now on engine, I can have a big sock drawer lol. So I don't care if I need to spend more for the right combo. I also heard of a guy that might have a 440 1/2 a day drive from here, but will check to see what he has, I know it was out of a new yorker, so ya don't want to spend 15 grand in engine, but have a few grand to spare. I just want to go one direction and not tear stuff out later, because I know you don't get back what you put in, so if I nned to go the 440 way then That is the way I will go. Plus like you guys said before weather a shop is redoing a 318 head or 440 head its the same or close to it. So best bang for the $$$$$. Thanks
 
so that other engine is from a 75 newyorker with rebuilt trans and new carb is all the info for now.

I can also start with a 73 to 75 400 low deck mopar engine block for cleaned ready to go for 400 obo
big block purple camshaft kit new with 16 lifters - 225 firm
and so on
 
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Sounds like you need to read all the rb threads on here and just make your own decision.
 
Spend $1495 on that 318 and $5 on a "you just got beat by a 318" bumper sticker.
 
Well if you have the larger budget & don't mind spending the extra money, I say go with the larger engine chioce. for sure... Do your research...
 
**** I can spend 4,000 grand if that is the better choice. I can get that 400/727 for 800can and if you think I can rebuild it better then looking for a 440, I can start shopping now and have eveything to start over the winter and might have 5 or more $$$$ to spend. I have bodyman coming over thursday night to see what I need and don't need for bodywork and frame looks solid, so depends on what is needed for that will vary on what I have to spend now on engine, I can have a big sock drawer lol. So I don't care if I need to spend more for the right combo. I also heard of a guy that might have a 440 1/2 a day drive from here, but will check to see what he has, I know it was out of a new yorker, so ya don't want to spend 15 grand in engine, but have a few grand to spare. I just want to go one direction and not tear stuff out later, because I know you don't get back what you put in, so if I nned to go the 440 way then That is the way I will go. Plus like you guys said before weather a shop is redoing a 318 head or 440 head its the same or close to it. So best bang for the $$$$$. Thanks
A blower will wake up that little low compression 318 plus have the wow factor (I just like blowers) IMHO, Just build it with enough power the first time so you don't have to do it again. But don't listen to me I'm a rookie, these guys here have forgotten more than I know and are always willing to help. C'mon you know you want one just get a HEMI :icon_thumright:
 
Too bad you're not closer to Georgia. I have a REAL nice little 318 I just put together and I am looking to sell it now to fun a different direction. LA block, magnum heads, Edelbrock air gap, nice Lunati cam 9.3:1 bluprinted compression. Probably go an honest 325-360 HP and bump 400 tq. It's fresh and sittin in the floor.
 
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