A frame jig is a must when replacing that amount of metal. I based mine on this one:
66-70 B Body Frame Jig
66-70 B Body Frame Jig
1969 Plymouth Roadrunner Restoration
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Absolutely!Looks like you'll be busy doing repairs. Good thing much of the goodies needed can be had.
I have a Mopar salvage yard about an hours drive from my house. I'm making my missing parts list to see what OEM part make sense to purchase and what aftermarket parts should go on the car. It should be interesting/expensive
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Extra care on storage of glass. Mine was removed by shop and shelved face down. In 1988. Scratches are still there. POI.
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Ok....so I believe I have decodeded the VIN and Fender Tag
VIN: RM23H9G119210
R= Belvedere/Satellite
M= Roadrunner
23= 2-Door Coupe
H= 383 Ci 4BBL
9= 1969
G= St. Louis (Fenton Plant)
Sequence = 119210
Fender Tag (Starting from bottom left)
RM23= Plymouth Belvedere, Satellite Medium, Roadrunner 2-Door Hard Top
H96= 383 330 HP or 335HP 1-4BBL 8CYL, Newark, DE USA
119210 = Sequence Number
E63= 383 4BBL V8 High Performance
D21= 4-Speed Manual Transmission
T5= Copper Metallic (Dodge) - Bronze Fire Metallic (Chrysler) Exterior Color
H2T= Trim-High, Vinyl Bench Seat-Tan
T7= Dark Bronze Metallic (Dodge), Saddle Bronze Metallic (Chrysler & Imperial) interior.
911= Build Date: September 11 1969
09109= Order Number
J25= 3-Speed Wipers
M21= Roof Drip Rail Mouldings
N96= Fresh Air Hood
R11= Radio Solid State AM (2 Watt)
V21= Performance Hood Treatment
V6W= Longitudinal Stripes, White
So...what do you think? This is what the 440 block is painted (Mopar Turquoise).
Will a Turquoise 440 look with Bronze Fire Metallic and White Longitudinal Stripes?
Or...should I ignore the Fender Tag and go a different direction?
Thoughts?
Semper Fi
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VIN: RM23H9G119210
R= Belvedere/Satellite
M= Roadrunner
23= 2-Door Coupe
H= 383 Ci 4BBL
9= 1969
G= St. Louis (Fenton Plant)
Sequence = 119210
Fender Tag (Starting from bottom left)
RM23= Plymouth Belvedere, Satellite Medium, Roadrunner 2-Door Hard Top
H96= 383 330 HP or 335HP 1-4BBL 8CYL, Newark, DE USA
119210 = Sequence Number
E63= 383 4BBL V8 High Performance
D21= 4-Speed Manual Transmission
T5= Copper Metallic (Dodge) - Bronze Fire Metallic (Chrysler) Exterior Color
H2T= Trim-High, Vinyl Bench Seat-Tan
T7= Dark Bronze Metallic (Dodge), Saddle Bronze Metallic (Chrysler & Imperial) interior.
911= Build Date: September 11 1969
09109= Order Number
J25= 3-Speed Wipers
M21= Roof Drip Rail Mouldings
N96= Fresh Air Hood
R11= Radio Solid State AM (2 Watt)
V21= Performance Hood Treatment
V6W= Longitudinal Stripes, White
So...what do you think? This is what the 440 block is painted (Mopar Turquoise).
Will a Turquoise 440 look with Bronze Fire Metallic and White Longitudinal Stripes?
Or...should I ignore the Fender Tag and go a different direction?
Thoughts?
Semper Fi
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Understood.
I'm gonna have to do some research on how to careful remove and store the glass.
Thank you so much for the heads up!
Semper Fi
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Ok Folks,
I've been thinking about a restoration strategy that balances my budget, cash flow and restoration goals.
440 Build: (Debt) Priority-1
Due to life events, about 2 years ago, I decided to allow Performance Automotive in Bethalto Illinois to fully build, blueprint and dyno-test the 440. This is still a work in process. I am working with Gordon (the owner) with purchasing performance parts (e.g. headers, fuel rail, Holley Carb...etc). So, I still have an ongoing financial obligation to Performance Automotive. This is my top financial priority until we dyno-test and all debt is paid.
Chemical Dipping and e-coating: (future debt) Priority-2
Saves cash ($5,000 estimated) to chemical dipping the Roadrunner. I will need to prep the car according to the vendors Specifications. This will take several months careful disassembling the vehicle, photographing and cataloging each part. Moreover, I'll be creating a missing parts spreadsheet while prepping the roadrunner for chemical dipping. Notwithstanding, I'll be saving, doing side hustles and building my cash resources to afford Priority-2
Frame Jig and Sheet Metal: Priority 3
With the roadrunner properly protected from any further corrosion, I think I can slow my pace and focus on fabricating a proper Frame jig. Then I'll acquire the sheets metal compartment by compartment: starting with the trunk and working forward. This will take years to save money, acquire necessary parts and hang the parts. Goal is to completely restore all Sheet metal to factory spec.
Paint: Priority-4
With all sheets metal properly installed, gapped and dialed in; take the Roadrunner to a professional and have her painted Right!
Suspension, Engine, Transmission and Rear Differential. Phase-5
With the roadrunner Professionally painted; set the car on the K-frame, A833 Transmission and make all connections. By the way, I'm looking for an 18 spline A833 that fits a 69 roadrunner...
Interior, wiring and final touches: Priority-6
Ill' have to continue elaborating on this Priority. I've got to go to work!
Semper Fi
Sabre_3
I've been thinking about a restoration strategy that balances my budget, cash flow and restoration goals.
440 Build: (Debt) Priority-1
Due to life events, about 2 years ago, I decided to allow Performance Automotive in Bethalto Illinois to fully build, blueprint and dyno-test the 440. This is still a work in process. I am working with Gordon (the owner) with purchasing performance parts (e.g. headers, fuel rail, Holley Carb...etc). So, I still have an ongoing financial obligation to Performance Automotive. This is my top financial priority until we dyno-test and all debt is paid.
Chemical Dipping and e-coating: (future debt) Priority-2
Saves cash ($5,000 estimated) to chemical dipping the Roadrunner. I will need to prep the car according to the vendors Specifications. This will take several months careful disassembling the vehicle, photographing and cataloging each part. Moreover, I'll be creating a missing parts spreadsheet while prepping the roadrunner for chemical dipping. Notwithstanding, I'll be saving, doing side hustles and building my cash resources to afford Priority-2
Frame Jig and Sheet Metal: Priority 3
With the roadrunner properly protected from any further corrosion, I think I can slow my pace and focus on fabricating a proper Frame jig. Then I'll acquire the sheets metal compartment by compartment: starting with the trunk and working forward. This will take years to save money, acquire necessary parts and hang the parts. Goal is to completely restore all Sheet metal to factory spec.
Paint: Priority-4
With all sheets metal properly installed, gapped and dialed in; take the Roadrunner to a professional and have her painted Right!
Suspension, Engine, Transmission and Rear Differential. Phase-5
With the roadrunner Professionally painted; set the car on the K-frame, A833 Transmission and make all connections. By the way, I'm looking for an 18 spline A833 that fits a 69 roadrunner...
Interior, wiring and final touches: Priority-6
Ill' have to continue elaborating on this Priority. I've got to go to work!
Semper Fi
Sabre_3
Have you figured out the cost for this entire project?
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Not yet....
I'm $13,000 in to the 440 and increasing. I'll probably have another $3,000 to commit before I'm finished.
The car was $3,500.
Just a rough order of magnitude: total cost $80,000 by the time I'm finished with what I want to do with it?
Semper Fi
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I've got updates:
I may have located an A833 Transmission. This one has over drive so possibly built between 1970 - 1976.
Main Case Casting Numbers C-99129
Tail housing C-99539
• Cast Iron Main Case & Tail Piece
• 23 Spline w 307 Bearing
• from 1970 to 1976; Tail housing used in B and E body cars.
• Seller wants $350.
I think it's a win. What do you think?
Semper Fi
Sabre_3
I may have located an A833 Transmission. This one has over drive so possibly built between 1970 - 1976.
Main Case Casting Numbers C-99129
Tail housing C-99539
• Cast Iron Main Case & Tail Piece
• 23 Spline w 307 Bearing
• from 1970 to 1976; Tail housing used in B and E body cars.
• Seller wants $350.
I think it's a win. What do you think?
Semper Fi
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That's Fantastic!
I'm getting the A833 from Clay & Sons Salvage Yard in Catawissa Mo. You guys prolly know this place by heart! I've done a fair amount of business with Clayton Kossuth.
Is there anyone local that chemical dips and does a great job? My neighbor recommend ProStrip in Indianapolis Indiana. I can't seem to find anything around St. Louis.
Performance Automotive came highly recommended by Mark Gilliam at Buds Service Center in Staunton.
Small World!
Semper Fi
Sabre_3
I'm getting the A833 from Clay & Sons Salvage Yard in Catawissa Mo. You guys prolly know this place by heart! I've done a fair amount of business with Clayton Kossuth.
Is there anyone local that chemical dips and does a great job? My neighbor recommend ProStrip in Indianapolis Indiana. I can't seem to find anything around St. Louis.
Performance Automotive came highly recommended by Mark Gilliam at Buds Service Center in Staunton.
Small World!
Semper Fi
Sabre_3
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