Finally time to pull the trigger . . . starting on the New (much anticipated) SHOP - Build

[moparedtn]

I love working up on roofs.

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It has been my specialty for most of my career. Cut stack conventional and truss. Good balance is not always a natural trait. For many, it has to be learned.
I wasn't comfortable up top at first. Some get nervous walking on bare framing. I'd guess that most people would.
I can't interpret a spread sheet or pick stocks. We all have our good and bad points.
I've never worked on a roof where it was to be sheeted with metal. I'll bet it lasts a lot longer than shingles do for less money.

Man, everything I got out here has metal roofing. Made it so way back when it was economical to do so
(and when the house's original shingles started crapping out at 10 years!).
I take it to an extreme, though - instead of the typical "strips" or such mostly used for metal, I run plywood
under all of it (of course, the house had it to begin with). Makes it a lot safer to walk on as I advance in years,
weather doesn't affect the roof at all and the plywood actually strengthens the entire structure markedly as well.

By the way - steel-toed sneakers?

 

[Kern Dog]

Ha ha... I don’t want to clog up Larry’s thread with too much of my own stuff. NO on the steel toes though.
Agreed that plywood adds tremendous torsional strength though. I’ve been in the thick of seismic influenced building practices since 1989 when a big quake hit the Bay Area. From then on, the standards changed a lot. Exterior walls fully covered in plywood, metal straps, brackets and blocking used frequently, etc.
I see Larry’s shop and love the full dimensional lumber but don’t understand the cinder block stem walls. I probably missed the reasoning but I suspect it is snow related. I am sure that if/when I move and build in another state, there will be some adjustments to my way of thinking.
I do enjoy seeing others building things instead of buying a pre-fab building.

 

[moparedtn]

I see Larry’s shop and love the full dimensional lumber but don’t understand the cinder block stem walls. I probably missed the reasoning but I suspect it is snow related. I am sure that if/when I move and build in another state, there will be some adjustments to my way of thinking.
I do enjoy seeing others building things instead of buying a pre-fab building.

Not to speak for him, but I can see plenty of benefits to the cinderblock...
Keeps wood up off ground level (termites are a real concern with untreated "fresh" lumber);
keeps whatever siding up off there, too (and weedwhackers don't really harm cinderblock ).
A fella can even bounce a tractor off there a time or two without inflicting real damage.

 

[conv67bdere]

Ha ha... I don’t want to clog up Larry’s thread with too much of my own stuff. NO on the steel toes though.
Agreed that plywood adds tremendous torsional strength though. I’ve been in the thick of seismic influenced building practices since 1989 when a big quake hit the Bay Area. From then on, the standards changed a lot. Exterior walls fully covered in plywood, metal straps, brackets and blocking used frequently, etc.
I see Larry’s shop and love the full dimensional lumber but don’t understand the cinder block stem walls. I probably missed the reasoning but I suspect it is snow related. I am sure that if/when I move and build in another state, there will be some adjustments to my way of thinking.
I do enjoy seeing others building things instead of buying a pre-fab building.

Not to speak for him, but I can see plenty of benefits to the cinderblock...
Keeps wood up off ground level (termites are a real concern with untreated "fresh" lumber);
keeps whatever siding up off there, too (and weedwhackers don't really harm cinderblock ).
A fella can even bounce a tractor off there a time or two without inflicting real damage.

The cinderblock wall is for a couple reason . . . some already stated . . .

1 - get the wood up off the ground so that rain does not splash up on it and ruin the siding or wick into the lumber

2 - termites - the higher you got the wood, the less likely it is that you'll get termites ( they're bad out here)
( there is pressure treated between the block and the poplar timbers - plus foam )

3 - biggest reason - this will be a working shop, welding, plasma cutting, sparks flying - want the cinder block down there to prevent burning
( a rouge spark, or MIG spatter could fester till you leave the shop - then start burning after you're gone - piece of mind )

4 - if I need to hose out the shop, the lumber is protected and the block wall won't be damaged . . .

I better not be bouncing my tractor off of it - then it'll be time to hang up the tractor . . . maybe the shop too . . .

Snow, we don't usually get enough to worry about - but this could be high enough to prevent melting snow getting into the wood too.

 

[Kern Dog]

Good reasons.

 

[moparedtn]

The cinderblock wall is for a couple reason . . . some already stated . . .

1 - get the wood up off the ground so that rain does not splash up on it and ruin the siding or wick into the lumber

2 - termites - the higher you got the wood, the less likely it is that you'll get termites ( they're bad out here)
( there is pressure treated between the block and the poplar timbers - plus foam )

3 - biggest reason - this will be a working shop, welding, plasma cutting, sparks flying - want the cinder block down there to prevent burning
( a rouge spark, or MIG spatter could fester till you leave the shop - then start burning after you're gone - piece of mind )

4 - if I need to hose out the shop, the lumber is protected and the block wall won't be damaged . . .

I better not be bouncing my tractor off of it - then it'll be time to hang up the tractor . . . maybe the shop too . . .

Snow, we don't usually get enough to worry about - but this could be high enough to prevent melting snow getting into the wood too.

You're welcome.

 

[conv67bdere]

And it's a "new" record ! ! !

What you might be asking . . . well, the previous high temp for today was 70 degrees . . .
Today that record was broken as the new record was increased to 77 degrees !

Thank goodness, I took half a day off and got some shop building time in with this great weather.
And . . . as you might suspect, I'm back up on the top of the shop again - working on purlins . . .

And, as usual . . . my little buddy ( he really does look little from up here ) is outside with me enjoying the weather.

I've got all of the strips cut, and set in place with only a few screws to keep everything aligned . . .
( well . . . I might have to be adding in one more row of purlins - due to the spacing )

Another view . . . and how it's looking . . . but I've got a lot of screws that need to be installed now . . .

Really a pretty cool looking view from the shop - as all I'd been seeing was a view from up top . . .

Tomorrow's weather forecast is in the 70's again - so I'll be taking advantage of that and working on the shop again.
DUH ! ! !

The hope is that I might actually get to the point of getting the metal roofing installation started . . .

That's the "plan" . . .

More later . . .

 

[conv67bdere]

Another beautiful day here in North Carolina, and lots of misc. stuff completed . . .

Had a bunch of items that needed to get done for me to be able to start putting the metal on the roof . . .

So . . . here goes . . .

Got my prices for the garage doors - but not availability . . . the 9' tall is only $90 more than the 8' door
The availability will determine which of the doors that I get . .

This is the opening with the 8' door . . .

This is the opening with the 9' door . . .

Got all the rest of the planks screwed down . . . and had to add another one at the top . . . as seen below . . .

The 2' extension on the front, had this "ugly" opening . . . that needed to be addressed . . .

Handled . . . added a couple more rafter ends in and it makes it look much better . . .
Did the same thing to the back opening . . .

Filled in the openings at the top of the walls, to prevent critters from getting in and under the roofing . . .

This picture better illustrates what was done . . . but it will stop the critters . . . that's the plan . . .

Cooler temps forecast for tomorrow, but the hope is to get started on the metal roofing . . .
Try and get this thing figured out . . . learning as I go along . . .

More later . . .

 

[Scott Engelhardt]

Looking good!!!! Good to see you always have a supervisor on the job site

 

[conv67bdere]

Three steps backwards . . . and one step forward . . .

It happens . . .

First . . . more cleanup . . . the ends are full boards to accommodate the metal rakes that will be installed.
But - you can see the shape of the previous extension - made (2) more yesterday (just in case)

Well . . . it's just in case time . . . they got installed . . .

Getting ready to start on the metal roofing, and the drip rails need to be installed. Simple enough . . .
But - set up a string line and had 1" spacing on both ends . . . and only 1/4" in the middle -

Things moved - or I messed up while building while using my lines . . . JUST . . . need to fix it . . .

3/4" is too much to work on cleaning up and not be easily noticed . . . so I'll split it in half - 3/8" . . . will cut 3/8 off where needed.
Here's my process . . . clamp a straight edge, and run the circular saw down the edge . . .

This is how much needed to be trimmed to get it "looking" better . . .

The end result . . . will be greatly improved and probably not noticeable (to most people)

While working on the drip rails, this image just caught my eye . . . thought I'd share it with everyone . . .

The old . . . And the new . . .

Hate the fact that I did not get to installing any metal panels, but the drip rails HAD to be done right, or it would have been one of those things that I would have "seen" for the rest of my life and would NOT have been happy with it. Wasted a day . . . but it's the only way that I know how to do things.

Got some rain coming in this week - good thing, we have a "no burning" policy in place down here due to the lack of rain that we've had - like to get that "tinderbox" situation resolved before something really bad happens down here.

Good weekend, lots done . . . just not as much as I had hoped to get done . . .

More later . . .

 

[conv67bdere]

Little drizzly today - Rain for tomorrow . . . Hopefully Sunday some work can get done . . .

Got out of work at lunchtime today, and jumped on the Simpson H2.5 straps on the high wall . . .

And got them knocked out today . . . one step closer . . .

Also . . . Ordered

- the 3' missing piece of drip edge . . .
- the filler strips that go under the panels to close up the openings
- my 8' x 8' garage door

Will be picking that stuff up some time next week . . . I hope . . .

More later . . .

 

[conv67bdere]

Fighting with the threat of rain all day . . .

Figures . . .

Just about to get things buttoned up and the rain decides to start . . .

Got the header installed for the garage door . . . and was working on the studs above it . . .

Got them mostly cut to size . . .
And while I was working on it, start to hear the pitter-patter of drops . . . rush to get things stored away . . .

And 5 minutes ago I was outside working on the shop . . . and now this . . .
( doesn't show how hard it's coming down as I'd hoped it would show . . . )

Still got to get the studs screwed in and secured on both ends, they're just wedged in place right now . . .
Tomorrow is another day . . . and the temp down here today was almost 70 degrees again . . . love it ! !

More later . . .

 

[conv67bdere]

Got a bit of progress . . . before running out of daylight . . .

Progress continues, but there was only a small amount due to the lack of daylight.
But . . . Progress all the less . . .

Was able to get the first (2) panels up on the roof - getting the first one straight and square took a bit . . .

Hoping that the "initial" How do I do this is now behind me, and the progress will be a bit quicker today . . .

BIG PROBLEM . . . fighting with a forecast that is 50% chance of rain today . . . as usual . . . I'm hoping the the weatherman has as much luck with his predictions today than he usually does . . . I sometimes wonder if they can tell us the weather for yesterday with any accuracy . . .

If the rain can hold off . . . hoping for a lot of panels getting installed today . . .

More later . . .

 

[conv67bdere]

Morning update . . .

Dang it . . . The weather Report was right . . . it's raining . . . ARGH ! ! !

Hopefully it will pass and I'll be able to get back to work later today . . .

More later . . .

 

[dadsbee]

Just a little metal roofing tip.. if you temporarily join 3 or 4 sheets and slide them around, it's easier to get things going straight to the eve or an overhang string line.

 

[ct71rr]

Nice progress!! It’s really coming along now!

 

[conv67bdere]

Ugly weekend . . . Minimal progress . . .

The weather forecast was actually correct for this past weekend, and we had rain most of the weekend . . . And overcast.

Was able to squeeze in a little roofing time on Saturday and got 3 more panels installed . . .

Frustrating . . Only 2 days that progress can be made and it rains - almost all week it was calling for clear and 70's . . .

5 panels of 18 installed . . .27.77%

More later

 

[Coronet_Arch]

Are you planning any plywood sheathing or are you just going to add metal panels to the sidewalls? The end walls of such a long narrow structure will tend to rack especially the wall with the garage door in it. Putting plywood on the exterior side and interior side will create a box that will stabilize the wall with the garage door from racking. I know your were able to install diagonal braces on the other corners.

 

[Islandkent]

Looking GREAT! The last little bit will go fast.

 

[conv67bdere]

Great day of progress . . . Love it ! ! !

Not sure I was going to be able to pull this off, but I surprised myself . . . Boy did I . . .

Had a friend ask me "how" are you getting the panels up on the roof . . .
Here's the plan of attack - lean it up against the building . . . climb up top and pull it up . . .

18 panels . . . this is when I had 8-9 of them up . . . was wondering if I was going to finish it today . . .

The view form up to . . . Really like the way it's moving along . . .

Surprise . . . all of the panel are in place - can't say "installed" as the whole field needs to be put in place . . .
There are currently only 2 screws on the bottom, and 2 screws on the top holding the panels in place . . .

The good news . . . NOW I can go get some siding and start building the walls on this thing.
Now that they will be under cover and protected now . . . What a great day ! ! !

More later . . .